│ Tried web browsing via Arachne & that was a bit painfull due to how slow it
│ was..
└─[K=>M]

I can remember it being somewhat slow on a Pentium-166 but part of the
reason there was that I was still on dial-up. ;) I cannot imagine trying
to use a graphic web browser on anything much slower. IMHO, a lot of web
pages these days are made to make things run slow.

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│ NOT writing this b/c mary's offer is bad - at all - but in the past month I've
│ found RE-PC in the Seattle/Tukwila area... they sell all sorts of vintage
│ electronics; tested/working vintage boards are $60-100 and I saw everything
│ from Pentium4 to 286 board
└─[P=>M]

Saw your YT video on that place. Looks like someplace I could spend a good part of a day in. They appeared to have a *lot* of stuff!

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Re: Re: 286 Is So Cool!
By: MIKE POWELL to KIRKSPRAGG on Thu Apr 18 2024 08:35 am

I can remember it being somewhat slow on a Pentium-166 but part of the reason there was that I was still on dial-up. ;) I cannot imagine trying to use a graphic web browser on anything much slower. IMHO, a lot of web pages these days are made to make things run slow.

I first started using the internet in late 1995, and at the time, I had a 386DX-40 running DOS and Windows 3.1, and either a 14.4k or 33.6k modem (I don't remember which I had by then). I was using Netscape on Windows (I think I started with version 2 or something), and I remember it being usable. Web sites back then were fairly light compared to web sites today, so it wasn't too bad. I think the bottleneck at the time was probably the dialup modem speed.

Nightfox

│ NOT writing this b/c mary's offer is bad - at all - but in the past month I've
│ found RE-PC in the Seattle/Tukwila area...

Saw your YT video on that place. Looks like someplace I could spend a good part of a day in. They appeared to have a *lot* of stuff!

My video is just a quickee - I noticed another youtuber posted a deeper dive... one of the Macintosh guys. Mac Something - worth a YT search, I don't have the link on me anymore. But they posted a video about RE-PC a couple days after mine - it was really good.



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└─[BC=>S]

Yeah, I only use it when I have to. I still find wikipedia useful, but otherwise don't use it much.

Mike

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│ My video is just a quickee - I noticed another youtuber posted a deeper dive...
│ one of the Macintosh guys. Mac Something - worth a YT search, I don't have the
│ link on me anymore. But they posted a video about RE-PC a couple days after
│ mine
└─[P=>MP]

I will have to be careful or I might find myself traveling to the Pacific
NW. :) I actually have too many old hardware things around... mostly old soundcards, network cards, and a few winmodems... that I "inherited" when others upgraded their systems or switched to apple.

Mike

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hmm ilove my vga on my 286! >:3

--mary4 (Victoria Crenshaw) the 286 enthusiast

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│ I think the deal breaker for me is no TLS. Very few web sites are
│ accessible over http: any more. I am kinda done with the web.
Yeah, I only use it when I have to. I still find wikipedia useful, but otherwise don't use it much.

Frog Find (http://www.frogfind.com) is your friend here. Is a search engine for vintage computers & also works as a https to http proxy. So if you find a
https site via frog find it will act as a proxy and give you a http version of it.

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hmm ilove my vga on my 286! >:3

What VGA card are you currently using? I've tried a few out (Oak, Trident & Tseng) and my Tseng ET4000 noticeably outperforms the others but EGA compatibilty is a bit iffy. Some games namely ID sortware platformers like dangerous dave & monster bash don't quite work 100% correctly...

Anyone know if there is a way around that??

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Frog Find (http://www.frogfind.com) is your friend here.
Is a search engine for vintage computers & also works as
a https to http proxy. So if you find a
https site via frog find it will act as a proxy and give
you a http version of it.

Thanks for sharing the FrogFind link, I hadn't seen that before and it looks really useful!


Chris/akacastor

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What VGA card are you currently using? I've tried a few out (Oak,
Trident & Tseng) and my Tseng ET4000 noticeably outperforms the others
but EGA compatibilty is a bit iffy. Some games namely ID sortware platformers like dangerous dave & monster bash don't quite work 100% correctly...

Anyone know if there is a way around that??

i think it is a WDC VGA WD90c30 chip vga card
with 1mb of ram. it is really neat! it can do high res images!

--mary4 (Victoria Crenshaw) the 286 enthusiast

... It said "insert disk #3", but only two will fit...

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│Frog Find (http://www.frogfind.com) is your friend here. Is a search engine for
│vintage computers & also works as a https to http proxy. So if you find a │https site via frog find it will act as a proxy and give you a http version of │it.
└─[K=>MP]

Yes, I do use it pretty regular on older/slower machines. I have found it
can handle most pages I want to go to, although there are a few I have
tried where it is not able to "translate" them into simple html. IIRC,
those were news sites or other sites with lots of ads.

Mike

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│ Thanks for sharing the FrogFind link, I hadn't seen that before and it looks │ really useful!
└─[A=>K]

He is right. Overall it is very useful.

Mike

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i think it is a WDC VGA WD90c30 chip vga card
with 1mb of ram. it is really neat! it can do high res images!

How well does it work with EGA games? Just wondering if I should look at getting something similar as my ET4000 glitches a bit with some EGA titles.

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What VGA card are you currently using? I've tried a few out (Oak, Trident & Tseng) and my Tseng ET4000 noticeably outperforms the others but EGA compatibilty is a bit iffy. Some games namely ID sortware platformers like

It's been a Loooong time... Tseng was definitely the cream of the crop. They ended up belonging to ATI and ultimately AMD. All the ET4000s I saw came
with 4 dipswitches, which affected memory usage I think. Could be this is pushing your EGA video out of regular mapping.

It might also just be your video card. Can't say I saw a problem with any of them doing this. Maybe its got faulty memory, like 1 chip getting a bit
flakey or its a poor card its in. There were some horses for courses
sporting the chipset in the end, they weren't all born equal.

Spec


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Yes, I do use it pretty regular on older/slower machines. I have found
it can handle most pages I want to go to, although there are a few I have tried where it is not able to "translate" them into simple html. IIRC, those were news sites or other sites with lots of ads.

Mike

i need microweb to compile on other OSes than windows

--mary4 (Victoria Crenshaw) the 286 enthusiast

... DOS=HIGH? I knew it was on something...

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How well does it work with EGA games? Just wondering if I should look at getting something similar as my ET4000 glitches a bit with some EGA titles.

yeah it works really well with Commander Keen! :D

--mary4 (Victoria Crenshaw) the 286 enthusiast

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┌─
│ MP> Yes, I do use it pretty regular on older/slower machines. I have found │ MP> it can handle most pages I want to go to, although there are a few I have
│ MP> tried where it is not able to "translate" them into simple html. IIRC, │ MP> those were news sites or other sites with lots of ads.
│
│ i need microweb to compile on other OSes than windows
└─[M=>MP]

I have never used or tried to compile microweb so I am not sure what it
needs. I was referring to the frogfind.com webpage, which I use on older, slower linux machines.

Mike

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