Hi,all

I Found that port 992 support telnet SSL/TLS
does this is allready project to be add in mystic

THX

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I Found that port 992 support telnet SSL/TLS
does this is allready project to be add in mystic

That's not a new thing. I first saw telnets around 2005. It's not
something that's got a lot of coverage. Back then when I first saw it I
never paid much attention to it although I was intrigued.

It's worth looking at for sure. It could only ever be used by BBSs and
clients that are capable of using it.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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I Found that port 992 support telnet SSL/TLS
does this is allready project to be add in mystic

That's not a new thing. I first saw telnets around 2005. It's not something that's got a lot of coverage. Back then when I first saw it I never paid much attention to it although I was intrigued.

It's worth looking at for sure. It could only ever be used by BBSs and clients that are capable of using it.

I can support TELNETS relatively easily (assuming its just telnet + TLS) but there really aren't clients that support it and the BBS clients all seem to be using SSH instead.

I am not sure I see the benefit of adding it, but I am certainly open to hear other people's reasons why who may want it.

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On 29 Feb 2020, g00r00 said the following...

I am not sure I see the benefit of adding it, but I am certainly open to hear other people's reasons why who may want it.

Well, the SSH ecosystem is prone to a number of interesting attack scenarios, and its configuration (at least in the case of OpenSSH) can be quite complex, considering all the features. If it is not much of a hassle, I very much
would like to see telnets being supported following the "if it is just telnet
+ TLS".

Cheers!

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I can support TELNETS relatively easily (assuming its just telnet +
TLS) but there really aren't clients that support it and the BBS
clients all seem to be using SSH instead.

Many years ago when I first saw that I thought to myself, "we'll have
secure telnet in time". I haven't thought much about it since.

It would be good to have a secure telnet since that is still the most
used protocol for connecting to a BBS.

I'm not sure if we could convince people to use secure telnet with port
992. It would be a start though, and at least folks would have a choice
in being secure over telnet.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Well, the SSH ecosystem is prone to a number of interesting attack scenarios, and its configuration (at least in the case of OpenSSH) can
be quite complex, considering all the features. If it is not much of a hassle, I very much would like to see telnets being supported following the "if it is just telnet + TLS".

Mystic doesn't use OpenSSH and Cryptlib hasn't had the same vulnerabilities that OpenSSH has either (not that it hasn't had some). But I do agree that is overly complex to implement if you weren't using a third party library.

I don't think there are any BBS terminals that do TELNETS though, just telnet, rlogin and SSH? SSH provides the same type of secure access to the BBS with the added ability to bypass logging in too. Its also supported by the major BBS terminals and PUTTY (not sure if PUTTY does telnets or not)

I could add it into NetRunner pretty easily alongside Mystic, I just have to think about what the purpose of it would be.

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I can support TELNETS relatively easily (assuming its just telnet + TLS) but there really aren't clients that support it and the BBS clients all seem to be using SSH instead.

Many years ago when I first saw that I thought to myself, "we'll have secure telnet in time". I haven't thought much about it since.

It would be good to have a secure telnet since that is still the most
used protocol for connecting to a BBS.

I guess my point is that SSH *is* a secure telnet with the extra added option of automatic login and its already supported by the major terminals and PUTTY.

So I am not sure what role TELNETS really fills in this case.

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I guess my point is that SSH *is* a secure telnet with the extra
added option of automatic login and its already supported by the
major terminals and PUTTY.

Yes, SSH has always been secure. In spite of that folks seem to use
Telnet the most. I'm not sure why that is. I think it's entrenched in the
way we do things and the way things have always been done.

It's also true that current clients folks use don't (and probably never
will) do telnets, so providing telnets may not produce any meaningful
benefit on the short (or long) term.

I think secure protocols are a benefit. Whether folks will use it or not
I don't know.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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I think secure protocols are a benefit. Whether folks will use it or not
I don't know.

Thats one way to look at it. If the effort is minimal, then maybe its worth just putting it out there.

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I don't think there are any BBS terminals that do TELNETS though, just

I could add it into NetRunner pretty easily alongside Mystic, I just
have to think about what the purpose of it would be.

Also, something to think about is whether BBSes will want to expore a fourth connection option considering SSH should handle encryption fine. I don't know what this will provide that the other options don't. I'm interested in this topic though.

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On 29 Feb 2020, g00r00 said the following...

I could add it into NetRunner pretty easily alongside Mystic, I just
have to think about what the purpose of it would be.

That might probably make it the only current multi-platform BBS Terminal to support it!

Go for it :D

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