Fasten your seatbelts.. the new quote stuff has been merged and things
may get crashy!

Well they shouldn't. but they might!

Andrew

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Fasten your seatbelts.. the new quote stuff has been merged and things
may get crashy!

My first impression of the new quote stuff is that it looks better now.
It seems to be easier on the eyes and easier to read. I like it.. :)

I was just reading in the synchronet echo and came across a message that
causes my screen to get confused. All of the usuall letters and number
change for some reason to something that looks like alien text or
something.

That's not a magicka problem, I've seen it before. Someone had a musical
note in their tagline file and every time that tagline showed up my
screen would do that.

At that point I logout and type reset in my terminal to get things back
to normal and try to avoid that message on my next run through.. :)

It also seems to be something in Dumas Walker's tagline file that has
caused my screen to do this. I'm not quite sure what that character is or
why that happens or if it happens to others as well. It may be my
terminal doing that for some reason.

If you like I could send you a small JAM base like the last one with just
that one message in it so you could see what happens on your terminal.

Ttyl :-)
Al

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If you like I could send you a small JAM base like the last one with
just that one message in it so you could see what happens on your terminal.

Yes please, that would be good thanks.

Andrew

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It also seems to be something in Dumas Walker's tagline file that has caused my screen to do this. I'm not quite sure what that character is
or why that happens or if it happens to others as well. It may be my terminal doing that for some reason.

I exported that message to a file and had a look in my editor. mcedit
says the character in question is 0046 or 0x02E. I don't see what the
character looks like in my editor, it displays simply as ".".

Ttyl :-)
Al

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I exported that message to a file and had a look in my editor. mcedit
says the character in question is 0046 or 0x02E. I don't see what the character looks like in my editor, it displays simply as ".".

That's because it is a "." in ascii. Not sure why it would be causing
issues in this case.

Andrew

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I was just reading in the synchronet echo and came across a message
that causes my screen to get confused. All of the usuall letters and number change for some reason to something that looks like alien text
or something.

I just checked out the JAM base you sent me, and can't seem to get it to
do weird things. I tried in MagiTerm, telnet via XFCE-Terminal and SSH
via XFCE-Terminal.

Not sure what's going on.

Andrew


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I just checked out the JAM base you sent me, and can't seem to get it
to do weird things. I tried in MagiTerm, telnet via XFCE-Terminal and
SSH via XFCE-Terminal.

XFCE-Terminal is what I use for a quick termial to do stuff on the
desktop but it doesn't work well with magicka. The BBS seems to disappear
at times. I should see if I can fix that or use xterm but I rarely use a desktop.

I am in magiterm now and went to have a look at that message and it looks
fine. I have no problem viewing that message. I can see it's that musical
note that caused problems for me in times past.

I can also view that message fine in the web interface, no issues.

If I ssh (or telnet I assume but haven't tried) from the terminal
everything is fine up until that musical note. After that it's as if the
font had changed to the font in the matrix. Kinda cool looking but wierd.

Once that happens I have to logout and issue reset on the terminal to get things back to normal.

Ttyl :-)
Al

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I just checked out the JAM base you sent me, and can't seem to get it
to do weird things. I tried in MagiTerm, telnet via XFCE-Terminal and
SSH via XFCE-Terminal.

XFCE-Terminal is what I use for a quick termial to do stuff on the
desktop but it doesn't work well with magicka. The BBS seems to
disappear at times. I should see if I can fix that or use xterm but I rarely use a desktop.

Ah ok, I just tried it from the linux console and it is doing what you described.

It does appear to be that musical note character like you say, but not
sure why it's doing it.

Andrew


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I just checked out the JAM base you sent me, and can't seem to get it
to do weird things. I tried in MagiTerm, telnet via XFCE-Terminal and
SSH via XFCE-Terminal.

XFCE-Terminal is what I use for a quick termial to do stuff on the
desktop but it doesn't work well with magicka. The BBS seems to
disappear at times. I should see if I can fix that or use xterm but I rarely use a desktop.

Ah ok, I just tried it from the linux console and it is doing what you described.

I just tried it through screen running on the linux console and it
didn't display weird characters. So it appears to be something with the
way the linux console responds to that character.

Andrew

--- MagickaBBS v0.13alpha (Linux/x86_64)
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I just checked out the JAM base you sent me, and can't seem to get it
to do weird things. I tried in MagiTerm, telnet via XFCE-Terminal and
SSH via XFCE-Terminal.

XFCE-Terminal is what I use for a quick termial to do stuff on the
desktop but it doesn't work well with magicka. The BBS seems to
disappear at times. I should see if I can fix that or use xterm but I rarely use a desktop.

Ah ok, I just tried it from the linux console and it is doing what you described.

I just tried it through screen running on the linux console and it
didn't display weird characters. So it appears to be something with the way the linux console responds to that character.

Found this on stack Exchange:

<Ctrl-N>, or character 14 - when sent to your terminal - orders to
switch to a special graphics mode, where letters and numbers are
replaced with symbols. <Ctrl-O>, or character 15, restores things back
to normal.

I'm not sure how to get around it other than filter out that character,
but I'd rather not do that.

Andrew

--- MagickaBBS v0.13alpha (Linux/x86_64)
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Found this on stack Exchange:

<Ctrl-N>, or character 14 - when sent to your terminal - orders to
switch to a special graphics mode, where letters and numbers are
replaced with symbols. <Ctrl-O>, or character 15, restores things back
to normal.

Well that's an explanation at least. It only happens on rare occations so
it's not that big of a problem. I wonder if there is a way to issue that <Ctrl-O> to get things back to normal when this happens?

I wonder what that graphics mode is used for?

I'm not sure how to get around it other than filter out that character, but I'd rather not do that.

Yep, it's just a character.. I don't think we want to filter it out.

Ttyl :-)
Al

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I'm not sure how to get around it other than filter out that
character, but I'd rather not do that.

Yep, it's just a character.. I don't think we want to filter it out.

Is it just a (display) character or is it a control character? I'm not sure how
that works with the CP437 codepage and variants, which define symbols for the control character range (0 to 31). In CP437 character number 13 is a single musical note, but it is used as a control character (carriage return).

see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_page_437#Character_set

Stripping these characters would be acceptable. If you convert to UTF-8 these characters could be converted to (non-control) characters in UTF-8 (e.g. 0x266B
for the musical note). In UTF-8 there are only control characters in the range
0 to 31.

Is the linux console and ssh using the UTF-8 mode?


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Is it just a (display) character or is it a control character? I'm not sure how that works with the CP437 codepage and variants, which define symbols for the control character range (0 to 31). In CP437 character number 13 is a single musical note, but it is used as a control
character (carriage return).

I think it is just a display character someone typed in a message or from
their tagline file.

From what I understood from apam's post there is a special graphics mode
in the linux terminal that is activated with <Ctrl> N or character 14.
For whatever reason my terminal goes into that graphics mode when that character is encountered, the musical note character. Instead of seeing
letters and numbers I see graphics characters.

Is the linux console and ssh using the UTF-8 mode?

My terminal is UTF-8 so I assume the terminal and ssh use that as well.

Ttyl :-)
Al

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From what I understood from apam's post there is a special graphics
mode in the linux terminal that is activated with <Ctrl> N or character 14. For whatever reason my terminal goes into that graphics mode when
that character is encountered, the musical note character. Instead of seeing letters and numbers I see graphics characters.

Is the linux console and ssh using the UTF-8 mode?

My terminal is UTF-8 so I assume the terminal and ssh use that as well.

Yeah, it's a vt100 code, I couldn't find a way to disable it, but if you
run through screen it doesn't do it (at least it doesn't on openSUSE).

The idea behind it is for the console to be able to support graphics
characters with an ascii character set i think, in other words its a compatability legacy thing.

Andrew

--- MagickaBBS v0.13alpha (Linux/x86_64)
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Is it just a (display) character or is it a control character?
I'm not sure how that works with the CP437 codepage and
variants, which define symbols for the control character range (0
to 31). In CP437 character number 13 is a single musical note,
but it is used as a control character (carriage return).

I think it is just a display character someone typed in a message or
from their tagline file.

From what I understood from apam's post there is a special graphics
mode in the linux terminal that is activated with <Ctrl> N or
character 14. For whatever reason my terminal goes into that graphics
mode when that character is encountered, the musical note character. Instead of seeing letters and numbers I see graphics characters.

Is the linux console and ssh using the UTF-8 mode?

My terminal is UTF-8 so I assume the terminal and ssh use that as
well.

If you convert character 14 from CP437 to character 14 in UTF-8 it becomes an unambiguous control character. There is nothing to display anymore. I think it's best to convert characters <32 that are not used as control characters to their UTF-8 symbol character equivalents.


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If you convert character 14 from CP437 to character 14 in UTF-8 it
becomes an unambiguous control character. There is nothing to display anymore. I think it's best to convert characters <32 that are not used
as control characters to their UTF-8 symbol character equivalents.

It is being converted to UTF-8

Andrew

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Yeah, it's a vt100 code, I couldn't find a way to disable it, but if
you run through screen it doesn't do it (at least it doesn't on
openSUSE).

I've been meaning to figure out screen for about 20 years!

I'll see if I can get it figured out.

If I run an app like magichat in screen can I logout and log back in
tommorrow and it will still be running?

Ttyl :-)
Al

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If I run an app like magichat in screen can I logout and log back in tommorrow and it will still be running?

Yes.

Andrew

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Yeah, it's a vt100 code, I couldn't find a way to disable it, but
if you run through screen it doesn't do it (at least it doesn't
on openSUSE).

I've been meaning to figure out screen for about 20 years!

I'll see if I can get it figured out.

You can also try tmux as an alternative to screen (but I don't know how it reacts to <SO> control characters).

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On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 19:41:16 +1000
"apam -> Oli" <0@126.1.21> wrote:

Ol> If you convert character 14 from CP437 to character 14 in UTF-8 it
Ol> becomes an unambiguous control character. There is nothing to display
Ol> anymore. I think it's best to convert characters <32 that are not used
Ol> as control characters to their UTF-8 symbol character equivalents.

It is being converted to UTF-8

To a ♫ (0x266B) character?

~

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On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 19:41:16 +1000
"apam -> Oli" <0@126.1.21> wrote:

Ol> If you convert character 14 from CP437 to character 14 in UTF-8 it
Ol> becomes an unambiguous control character. There is nothing to display
Ol> anymore. I think it's best to convert characters <32 that are not used
Ol> as control characters to their UTF-8 symbol character equivalents.

It is being converted to UTF-8

To a ? (0x266B) character?

No, I don't think so. Probably 0x000E, Whatever ICONV converts it to.

Andrew



--- MagickaBBS v0.13alpha (Linux/x86_64)
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Quoting apam to All <=-

Fasten your seatbelts.. the new quote stuff has been merged and
things may get crashy!

Compiling now.

Shawn

... "It compiled? The first screen came up? Ship it!" -- Bill Gates

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On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 19:41:16 +1000
"apam -> Oli" <0@126.1.21> wrote:

Ol> If you convert character 14 from CP437 to character 14 in
UTF-8 it
Ol> becomes an unambiguous control character. There is nothing to
display
Ol> anymore. I think it's best to convert characters <32 that are
not used
Ol> as control characters to their UTF-8 symbol character
equivalents.

It is being converted to UTF-8

To a ? (0x266B) character?

No, I don't think so. Probably 0x000E, Whatever ICONV converts it to.

and then weird things happen when some terminals don't ignore that control character.

p.s.: golded got confused by the quoting style of your message.

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Yeah, it's a vt100 code, I couldn't find a way to disable it,
but if you run through screen it doesn't do it (at least it
doesn't on openSUSE).

I've been meaning to figure out screen for about 20 years!

I'll see if I can get it figured out.

You can also try tmux as an alternative to screen (but I don't know
how it reacts to <SO> control characters).

Nope. In tmux the <SO> and <SI> control characters are fully supported ;)

pi@raspberrypi:~ $ printf "\016"
⎻☃@⎼▒⎽⎻be⎼⎼≤⎻☃:· $ ⎻⎼☃┼├° "\▮17" pi@raspberrypi:~ $

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Nope. In tmux the <SO> and <SI> control characters are fully supported
;)

pi@raspberrypi:~ $ printf "\016"
??@?▒??be??≤??:· $ ???┼├° "\?17"
pi@raspberrypi:~ $

Yep, that's very similar to what was on my screen the other day. All over
my screen.. ;)

I haven't yet played with screen or tmux but will get to that.. one day.

Ttyl :-)
Al

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pi@raspberrypi:~ $ printf "\016"
??@?▒??be??≤??:· $ ???┼├° "\?17"

If this happens in my travels is there some way I can get out of that
graphics mode without logging out and entering reset?

Ttyl :-)
Al

--- MagickaBBS v0.13alpha (Linux/x86_64)
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pi@raspberrypi:~ $ printf "\016"
??@?±??be??ó??:ú $ ???ÅÃø "\?17"

If this happens in my travels is there some way I can get out of that graphics mode without logging out and entering reset?

I'm not sure. Maybe you could set a hotkey that maps to \x0f in the terminal app?


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If this happens in my travels is there some way I can get out of that graphics mode without logging out and entering reset?

I'm not sure. Maybe you could set a hotkey that maps to \x0f in the terminal app?

I'm just using ssh. I'm not sure if I can set ssh to not enter that
graphics mode when that character is encountered, or if I can switch out
of it if it does happen.

Ttyl :-)
Al

--- MagickaBBS v0.13alpha (Linux/x86_64)
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If this happens in my travels is there some way I can get out of
that graphics mode without logging out and entering reset?

I'm not sure. Maybe you could set a hotkey that maps to \x0f in
the terminal app?

I'm just using ssh. I'm not sure if I can set ssh to not enter that graphics mode when that character is encountered,

I have no idea :(

or if I can switch out of it if it does happen.

I tried to put the 0x0F control character on a key in KDE's Konsole, but it didn't work. It's like pressing the Ctrl-O key. Of course it's totally useless,
because it's input, not output. I don't know what I was thinking.

So unless the BBS is not sending a 0x0F character, I don't see any way how to switch out of it. The 0x0E character should be stripped or converted to a non-control character before it reaches the terminal.

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