Hey

I'm contemplating pushing out v0.6 tomorrow. I would wait until a week
ticks over, but we have a rent inspection coming up, so might not be able
to and I'd like to get the bug fixes out.

v0.6 has the full screen reader, it's disabled by default, you need to
enable it in your user settings. I might switch that around though.

Been playing No Man's Sky the last couple of days, got stuck into it.
It's a pretty good game.

Also wondering about making my own tosser instead of relying on HPT. It's
a nice tosser, will depend I guess on whether I get this bug fix applied.
So far it's been rather frustrating trying to get them to acknowledge
there is even a bug.

Still, it would be nice to have something slightly more integrated.
Depending on the outcome, I plan to work on either the webserver (webbie)
or a new tosser for v0.7. I have started the webserver, it's using a http library I found on github, seems to work ok, but will need to know if I
can do sessions with it.

Kind of tired, and a little frustrated, I was hoping to just use HPT, but
if they're not interested in fixing bugs...

Andrew


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I'm contemplating pushing out v0.6 tomorrow. I would wait until a week ticks over, but we have a rent inspection coming up, so might not be able to and I'd like to get the bug fixes out.

Exciting. Ready to install :)

Been playing No Man's Sky the last couple of days, got stuck into it.
It's a pretty good game.

Procedural world generation is pretty amazing. The game was pretty sucky when it came out, but it's aged well with updates. It really captures the lure of exploration. I'm deep into Assassins Creed Valhalla at the moment, even though it's literally just another AC game with a viking theme :)

Also wondering about making my own tosser instead of relying on HPT. It's a nice tosser, will depend I guess on whether I get this bug fix applied. So far it's been rather frustrating trying to get them to acknowledge there is even a bug.

I think having a Talisman tosser is a good idea. As you know (lol) that's where I got hung up; compiling hpt is not super well documented. It'd def. be a point of friction for new sysops. I think what makes packages like Mystic and Synchronet so accessible is that mailers/tossers are bundled. That said, hpt setup isn't an insurmountable barrier with the right docs (maybe even videos).

Kind of tired, and a little frustrated, I was hoping to just use HPT, but if they're not interested in fixing bugs...

Looking forward to v.06 and FSE!

Cheers,

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apam wrote to All <=-

I'm contemplating pushing out v0.6 tomorrow. I would wait until a week ticks over, but we have a rent inspection coming up, so might not be
able to and I'd like to get the bug fixes out.

Push it out. If it comes in time I can check it out before Tuesday.

Been playing No Man's Sky the last couple of days, got stuck into it.
It's a pretty good game.

I bought it when it first came out. I play it when the mood strikes, but
I'm not very good at those types of games, I just got suckered by the ads.

Kind of tired, and a little frustrated, I was hoping to just use HPT,
but if they're not interested in fixing bugs...

The source code for squish is available publically but I'm not sure how
well it was (if ever) ported to *nix. I'm not sure if it would be easier
to just write your own. If you write one I'll switch away from fastecho
as I'm only using that because I ran it for years. :)

Shawn

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|11a|09> |10Also wondering about making my own tosser instead of relying on HPT.|07
|11a|09> |10It's|07
|11a|09> |10a nice tosser, will depend I guess on whether I get this bug fix|07 |11a|09> |10applied.|07
|11a|09> |10So far it's been rather frustrating trying to get them to acknowledge|07
|11a|09> |10there is even a bug.|07

Can you fork HPT and just bundle the HPT with your fix in place? I did that with PDcurses and a few other dependencies.

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I'm contemplating pushing out v0.6 tomorrow. I would wait until a week ticks over, but we have a rent inspection coming up, so might not be able to and I'd like to get the bug fixes out.

I hope this is able to happen, I'd enjoy fixing those few issues today. :P

v0.6 has the full screen reader, it's disabled by default, you need to enable it in your user settings. I might switch that around though.
Been playing No Man's Sky the last couple of days, got stuck into it.
It's a pretty good game.

w00t w00t; I like how the colors show up as you write in the FSE- I bet you fixed it already in 0.6, but when using ||colors the character counts were messing up. Just in case you DIDN'T see that FSE bug...

Also wondering about making my own tosser instead of relying on HPT. It's a nice tosser, will depend I guess on whether I get this bug fix applied. So far it's been rather frustrating trying to get them to acknowledge there is even a bug.
Kind of tired, and a little frustrated, I was hoping to just use HPT, but if they're not interested in fixing bugs...

Is there any OTHER software that you could put to use, so that you don't have to write your own? Gosh I'm a total newb but... can sync's or mystic's (no) or do any of the other bbs softwares use something we could tap into? Also - take time to dive into those games you like, apam! Lol... you are unique in the way you decide to start and blast thru projects. Its awesome!; but, don't flipping apologize for taking game time, or any time for self care... you deserve it!



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apam wrote to All <=-

Kind of tired, and a little frustrated, I was hoping to just use HPT,
but if they're not interested in fixing bugs...

Will magimail work with Talisman?


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Can you fork HPT and just bundle the HPT with your fix in place? I
did that with PDcurses and a few other dependencies.

It did cross my mind. :)

They still haven't rejected my patch, it's just sitting there and the guy hasn't responded to my recent comments.

In the meantime I've been working on a new tosser. I guess it doesn't
hurt to have options.

Andrew


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w00t w00t; I like how the colors show up as you write in the FSE- I
bet you fixed it already in 0.6, but when using ||colors the character counts were messing up. Just in case you DIDN'T see that FSE bug...

That was actually completley unintentional. I forgot about colour codes.

Andrew


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Will magimail work with Talisman?

I don't think it supports squish. So, no not in it's current state.
Though it might be easier to add squish support that writing a new
tosser.

Andrew

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|11a|09> |10In the meantime I've been working on a new tosser. I guess it doesn't|07
|11a|09> |10hurt to have options.|07

I know you code much faster than me, but having a tosser that works well enough for FSXnet isn't too hard, making it keep the FTN folks from grumbling is a lot of work :)

|11r|09ushfan|07


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|11a|09> |10I don't think it supports squish. So, no not in it's current state.|07
|11a|09> |10Though it might be easier to add squish support that writing a new|07
|11a|09> |10tosser.|07

That was my thought with WWIV too, but getting WWIV to support more than one WWIV style message base looked harder after I got into it...

|11r|09ushfan|07


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I know you code much faster than me, but having a tosser that works
well enough for FSXnet isn't too hard, making it keep the FTN folks
from grumbling is a lot of work :)

Oh I know. I certainly don't care to impress the FTN folks, I guess
that's the upside of choosing squish - if people want to run fidonet,
they can always use HPT. The bug I found isn't game breaking, it's just annoying.

I did write a basic tosser for Titan, that worked as an endpoint only, so
I've been lifting a lot of code from that.

By the way, I wouldn't say I code faster, probably just have more spare
time :/

Andrew


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|11a|09> |10I did write a basic tosser for Titan, that worked as an endpoint only,|07
|11a|09> |10so|07
|11a|09> |10I've been lifting a lot of code from that.|07
|11a|09> |07

Thats' as far as I think I've gotten with the one in WWIV.. At some point (on my todo list) is to look into doing a proper seen-by and path support. Right now I can ignore all of that and just leave it as-is for an end-system (leaf node)

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apam wrote to Rushfan <=-

Oh I know. I certainly don't care to impress the FTN folks, I guess
that's the upside of choosing squish - if people want to run fidonet,
they can always use HPT. The bug I found isn't game breaking, it's just annoying.

I'm not complaining as I like squish and used it for years with Maximus,
but what made you choose it over JAM?

Shawn

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Re: Re: v0.6
By: Tiny to apam on Thu Nov 26 2020 10:24 am

I'm not complaining as I like squish and used it for years with Maximus, but what made you choose it over JAM?

I have always preferred the squish bases. I just found them easier to use and maintain. I have some large squish bases I could plug a BBS into if it supports squish. Given time of course.

I am simply a user of message bases though and I have no idea about their internals or what might make one format better than another.

I hope that apam can connect with the folks that maintain hpt. That way he wouldn't need to worry about the tosser end of things.

I was impressed with MagiMail also but it is another thing to write and maintain.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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apam wrote to Blue White <=-

Will magimail work with Talisman?

I don't think it supports squish. So, no not in it's current state.
Though it might be easier to add squish support that writing a new
tosser.

I do have copies of the squish tosser, but no versions for linux... only dos and os/2.

That might make for a fun project... setting up a system so that the tosser
for my linux board runs in dosbox. :D



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I hope that apam can connect with the folks that maintain hpt. That way hewouldn't need to worry about the tosser end of things.

You know apam; he's freaking writing it right now! :P LOL.



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You know apam; he's freaking writing it right now! :P LOL.

I expect he'll toss out a alpha version tomorrow. LOL

BTW: I like the Full screen reader apam!

Shawn

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Re: Re: v0.6
By: paulie420 to Al on Thu Nov 26 2020 09:40 am

I hope that apam can connect with the folks that maintain hpt. That
way hewouldn't need to worry about the tosser end of things.

You know apam; he's freaking writing it right now! :P LOL.

I should have mentioned the SMB format also. It is opensource and future ready although not well known outside of Synchronet. It has the same easy to use and maintain qualities as squish.

I don't mean to complicate anything.. just sayin' :)

Ttyl :-),
Al

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I'm not complaining as I like squish and used it for years with
Maximus,
but what made you choose it over JAM?

Mostly because I'd already written a Squish library, and I didn't want to
use Jamlib (I'm not even sure if Jamlib works on windows).

Andrew


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I should have mentioned the SMB format also. It is opensource and
future ready although not well known outside of Synchronet. It has the
same easy to use and maintain qualities as squish.

I could have used the SMB library from synchronet, but then I definiatly
would have to write a tosser.

Andrew


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I expect he'll toss out a alpha version tomorrow. LOL

LOL. Nah, I have gotten scanning out echomail working, but I'm having a
break today. Got some beer and popcorn and going to watch netflix :P

BTW: I like the Full screen reader apam!

Great! It should work with larger screensizes too. Although the FSE still
spits out messages wrapped, I just couldn't get my head around not
wrapping.

Andrew


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LOL. Nah, I have gotten scanning out echomail working, but I'm having
a
break today. Got some beer and popcorn and going to watch netflix :P

So... did you believe that?

Yes I got popcorn and beer, but it's day time and it's hot and stuffy,
and sabrina really needs to be watched when it's dark...... so i did some
more on the tosser...

LOL.

Not ready for an alpha yet, but I got part way through tossing. I've
probably had a few too many to continue now though.

Andrew


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apam wrote to Tiny <=-

LOL. Nah, I have gotten scanning out echomail working, but I'm having a break today. Got some beer and popcorn and going to watch netflix :P

Good for you!

BTW: I like the Full screen reader apam!

Great! It should work with larger screensizes too. Although the FSE
still spits out messages wrapped, I just couldn't get my head around
not wrapping.

You'll either get it or you'll say "Run an external editor and like it!"
as most BBS authors did back in the day. :)

Shawn

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apam wrote to Tiny <=-

So... did you believe that?

I fell for it.

Yes I got popcorn and beer, but it's day time and it's hot and stuffy,
and sabrina really needs to be watched when it's dark...... so i did
some more on the tosser...

LOL!

Not ready for an alpha yet, but I got part way through tossing. I've probably had a few too many to continue now though.

Time to stop and enjoy the rest of the beer! ;)

Shawn

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|11T|09> |10I've|07
|11T|09> |10 ap> probably had a few too many to continue now though.|07 |11T|09> |07
|11T|09> |10 Time to stop and enjoy the rest of the beer! ;)|07

Ah yes, that sweet spot between just enough to be creative, and not too many where one becomes silly. :)

Can't wait to see how the tosser turns out!

|11r|09ushfan|07


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Rushfan wrote to Tiny <=-

Ah yes, that sweet spot between just enough to be creative, and not too many where one becomes silly. :)

Exactly... very hard to stay at that point though eh? ;)

Can't wait to see how the tosser turns out!

I'll happily un-install fastecho when it's ready. I like the fun
of testing new stuff out.

Shawn

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