i wish there were more positive storylines instead of people being kidnapped, dumped or people offing themselves.


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On 15 Mar 2023 at 09:09p, Matthew Munson pondered and said...

i wish there were more positive storylines instead of people being kidnapped, dumped or people offing themselves.

I watched one show some years ago and the bad guy locked his ex girlfriends new boyfriend in their nuclear fallout shelter... that was an interesting plot ;-p

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There are. They just won't run them. The media wants people to do that and also want people to hate each other so much that when the time comes we fight each other easily.

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Avon wrote to Matthew Munson <=-

On 15 Mar 2023 at 09:09p, Matthew Munson pondered and said...

I watched one show some years ago and the bad guy locked his ex girlfriends new boyfriend in their nuclear fallout shelter... that was
an interesting plot ;-p

There was a video a few years back of a family rushing to get all of
their stuff into a fallout shelter. The father holds the family off with
a gun, yelling that the more people in the shelter, the less time he'll survive. He forces them to stay out, opens the door, and all of his
friends are there with a "Happy Birthday" sign looking shocked.





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claw wrote to Matthew Munson <=-

There are. They just won't run them. The media wants people to do
that and also want people to hate each other so much that when the time comes we fight each other easily.

Rainbows and lollipops don't keep people watching the ads they put on.



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On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 21:09:19 -0700
"Matthew Munson" <matthew.munson@21:4/108> wrote:

i wish there were more positive storylines instead of people being
kidnapped, dumped or people offing themselves.

People seem to get more enjoyment wallowing in other people's misery.

There are soap operas that generally have positive or at least
entertaining storylines, they're called sit-coms. ;)
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Re: Re: soap operas
By: Nigel Reed to Matthew Munson on Fri Mar 17 2023 12:28 pm

i wish there were more positive storylines instead of people being
kidnapped, dumped or people offing themselves.

People seem to get more enjoyment wallowing in other people's misery.

Schadenfreude..

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Some shows have mixed elemenets, where its more 60% drama, 40% comedy/happiness.



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poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Avon <=-

There was a video a few years back of a family rushing to get all of
their stuff into a fallout shelter. The father holds the family off
with a gun, yelling that the more people in the shelter, the less time he'll survive. He forces them to stay out, opens the door, and all of
his friends are there with a "Happy Birthday" sign looking shocked.

That sounds somewhat similar to the TZ episode, "The Shelter." It starts
with a birthday party, then the radio alert and sirens go off.



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Re: soap operas
By: Matthew Munson to All on Wed Mar 15 2023 09:09 pm

i wish there were more positive storylines instead of people being kidnapped dumped or people offing themselves.

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I have noticed there is a huge trend for creative stories to turn darker, edgier and generally more hopeless.

Science-Fiction used to be about discovering new technology, travelling to places nobody had visitied before and pushing ourselves to reach new levels of awesome. Now it is about technology screwing us over, societies collapsing under their own weight, despots using new science to keep themselves in power.

I remember when High Fantasy was king and the stories were so optimistic. The dark lord du jour may have conquered the world, but the heroes were so confident they could kick his ass. Even Dark Fantasy had a positive edge back in the day. Now all what publishers want in their fantasy is marauders burning, pillaging and raping, nobles betraying each other, and commoners suffering no end.

I suspect this change of trends reflects the decline of our society at some primal level. I see it in my own writing. When I was young and full of energy I wrote novels that were heroic, positive and lighhearted. When life started punching me in the face I started sprinkling sour sauce on my tales. One's state of mind always reflects on his creative work.


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he'll survive. He forces them to stay out, opens the door, and all of his friends are there with a "Happy Birthday" sign looking shocked.

That sounds somewhat similar to the TZ episode, "The Shelter." It starts with a birthday party, then the radio alert and sirens go off.

Maybe it _is_ from that?

It sounds like something that would've made for an entertaining television show, or straight up urban legend.

But would be interesting if someone could track the video down. I didn't see anything when doing a quick search on YouTube.

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But would be interesting if someone could track the video down. I
didn't see anything when doing a quick search on YouTube.

https://twitter.com/brianklaas/status/935418731001466881?lang=en

There you go!



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But would be interesting if someone could track the video down. I didn't see anything when doing a quick search on YouTube.

https://twitter.com/brianklaas/status/935418731001466881?lang=en

Hah! Thanks. And, yeah, that's delightfully dark humor.

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Adept wrote to Blue White <=-

he'll survive. He forces them to stay out, opens the door, and all of his friends are there with a "Happy Birthday" sign looking shocked.

That sounds somewhat similar to the TZ episode, "The Shelter." It starts with a birthday party, then the radio alert and sirens go off.

Maybe it _is_ from that?

It sounds like something that would've made for an entertaining
television show, or straight up urban legend.

But would be interesting if someone could track the video down. I
didn't see anything when doing a quick search on YouTube.

DailyMotion claims to have that episode of the Twilight Zone:

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6gmgnb

The Simpsons spoofed it during one of their earlier seasons as a
full-length episode. The threat in their case was a comet, and the owner
of the bomb shelter was Ned Flanders.


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Quoting Arelor to Matthew Munson <=-

I have noticed there is a huge trend for creative stories to turn
darker, edgier and generally more hopeless.

I suspect this change of trends reflects the decline of our society at some primal level. I see it in my own writing. When I was young and
full of energy I wrote novels that were heroic, positive and
lighhearted. When life started punching me in the face I started sprinkling sour sauce on my tales. One's state of mind always reflects
on his creative work.

That's probably why I prefer to watch older TV shows still. I like
*some* newer shows, but my wife and I still watch old re-runs from the
90's too. For new shows, we have been enjoying 'The Rookie' and the
'911' series (as silly as some of the episodes are). At least they don't
seem so dark. I also prefer the previous Star Trek series like TNG,
Voyager, DS9 and even Enterprise. The Picard series is so dark and the
language not so fitting for an "enlightened" people of the era. But, the
new Star Trek Strange New Worlds series is really good and back to an
episodic format and much lighter than Picard.

Alas, I think you're right about the condition of our society and it's
sad. Hopefully society will turn around and seek out more uplifting
forms of entertainment.


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Arelor wrote (2023-03-18):

I have noticed there is a huge trend for creative stories to turn darker, edgier and generally more hopeless.

Science-Fiction used to be about discovering new technology, travelling to places nobody had visitied before and pushing ourselves to reach new
levels of awesome. Now it is about technology screwing us over, societies collapsing under their own weight, despots using new science to keep themselves in power.

Sounds like what is happening in the real world, too.

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Science-Fiction used to be about discovering new technology, travellin places nobody had visitied before and pushing ourselves to reach new levels of awesome. Now it is about technology screwing us over, societ collapsing under their own weight, despots using new science to keep themselves in power.

Sounds like what is happening in the real world, too.

Sci-Fi does seem to reflect society.

That said, I remember the original series of Star Trek having a lot of, "well, what if...?" sort of episodes, that could be somewhat dark. If perhaps less so for Kirk or Spock.

The Next Generation had a few more, with its inclination to be a philosophy class in the stars.

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I have noticed there is a huge trend for creative stories to turn darker, edgier and generally more hopeless.

It's the same for all entertainment these days unfortunately. Gone are the days of entertainment that's reasonably family friendly with light hearted humor (think M*A*S*H for instance). Instead it's all sex, drugs, profanity and violence. If a show doesn't have the above it doesn't rate anymore. Perhaps I'm getting too old! ;)

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It's the same for all entertainment these days unfortunately. Gone are
the days of entertainment that's reasonably family friendly with light hearted humor (think M*A*S*H for instance). Instead it's all sex, drugs, profanity and violence. If a show doesn't have the above it doesn't rate anymore. Perhaps I'm getting too old! ;)

I'm enjoying the fact that a show about the horrors of the Korean War is your example.

Though, yeah, the gore was probably unrealistic, as was their depiction of the horrors.

That said, I just watched Uncharted, and, while it had blood and violence, it was less than you would've seen on MASH.

I wouldn't say it was a _good_ movie, but certainly they're still making things to appeal to those of us who want escapism rather than be confronted with difficult realities.

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I'm enjoying the fact that a show about the horrors of the Korean War is your example.

I think you missed my point, M*A*S*H and other shows of the era didn't rely on women having to get undressed and participate in raunchy sex scenes, there wasn't extreme violence shown, there wasn't expletive laden dialog.

While the show did portray the horrors of war it did it without almost everything we see in todays entertainment.

And the final episode of M*A*S*H is still the most watched TV episode in history! All without the gore of today's tv/movies/music ;)

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I think you missed my point, M*A*S*H and other shows of the era didn't rely on women having to get undressed and participate in raunchy sex scenes, there wasn't extreme violence shown, there wasn't expletive
laden dialog.

I totally understood your point.

I was still entertained that you chose a show about the horrors of war.

You could've gone with Happy Days or Family Ties or something else in the same era, rather than horrors of the Korean War.

But, yes, there does tend to be more gritty realism since some point in the 90s.

At least I'd go with that point, because of having some memory about Frank Miller's Batman comics being gritty, in a way that was fairly novel at the time.

But I suppose I also remember listening to Pete Kelly's Blues, which was on in the '50s, I think, and that... was more disturbing, despite being radio.

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I was still entertained that you chose a show about the horrors of war.

You could've gone with Happy Days or Family Ties or something else in
the same era, rather than horrors of the Korean War.

I could have, but M*A*S*H is my all time favorite show and that's why I picked it, it can get a bit low with the realities of war but the acting and so forth is amazing.

In fact I did read the book that inspired M*A*S*H written by Dr. Apel who was a surgeon in a M*A*S*H unit during the war, quite a good read for anyone who enjoys the show.

I do like the shows of that era, to me I'd rather watch an hour of them than anything else.

And these "reality" shows, just annoy me to no end.

My god, I'm old!

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Hello toofargone!

In fact I did read the book that inspired M*A*S*H written by Dr. Apel who was a surgeon in a M*A*S*H unit during the war, quite a good read for anyone who enjoys the show.

From the description of the book:

"When North Korean forces invaded South Korea on June 25, 1950,
Otto Apel was a surgical resident living in Cleveland, Ohio,
with his wife and three young children. A year later he was
chief surgeon of the 8076th Mobile Army Surgical Hospital
constantly near the front lines in Korea. Immediately upon
arriving in camp, Apel performed 80 hours of surgery. His feet
swelled so badly that he had to cut his boots off, and he saw
more surgical cases in those three and a half days than he
would have in a year back in Cleveland.

"There were also the lighter moments. When a Korean came to
stay at the 8076th, word of her beauty spread so rapidly that
they needed MPs just to direct traffic. Apel also recalls a
North Korean aviator, nicknamed "Bedcheck Charlie," who would
drop a phony grenade from an open-cockpit biplane, a story
later filmed for the television series. He also tells of the
day the tent surrounding the women's shower was "accidentally"
blown off by a passing helicopter.

"In addition to his own story, Apel details the operating
conditions, workload, and patient care at the MASH units while
revealing the remarkable advances made in emergency medical
care. MASH units were the first hospitals designed for
operations close to the front lines, and from this particularly
difficult vantage, their medical staffs were responsible for
innovations in the use of antibiotics and blood plasma and in
arterial repair. On film and television, MASH doctors and
nurses have been portrayed as irreverent and having little
patience with standard military procedures. In this powerful
memoir, Apel reveals just how realistic these portrayals were.


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"When North Korean forces invaded South Korea on June 25, 1950,
Otto Apel was a surgical resident living in Cleveland, Ohio,
with his wife and three young children. A year later he was
chief surgeon of the 8076th Mobile Army Surgical Hospital
constantly near the front lines in Korea. Immediately upon

Yep that's the one. A really good book on the subject. It's amazing what medical procedures are perfected in the middle of a war!

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I could have, but M*A*S*H is my all time favorite show and that's why I picked it, it can get a bit low with the realities of war but the acting and so forth is amazing.

Yeah, it was popular for a reason. And broadly watched in its finale for a reason, too. I imagine most people at the time connected with the characters.

And these "reality" shows, just annoy me to no end.

I tend to avoid watching _series_, much less reality shows.

Though I _still_ watched a chocolate school thing, that I would've been happier if it had been a fluff piece where the only drama was whether or not people could complete their projects as well as they wanted to, within the time alloted.

But all the, "and you don't compete in the next event" or "let's see what happens when you get your help taken away" or reality-TV conceits just made it worse.

But I guess the conceits keep people coming back, so it's a warning for us just to never start watching.

My god, I'm old!

I listen to old-time radio. I'm not quite sure what that says about me, as it's not as if I'm old enough to have heard these things on the radio in the first place.

But I guess I've been listening to old-time-radio-style things (Imagination Theater) since I was a teen, so maybe it's like a 14-year-old today getting into Backstreet Boys.

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On 28 Mar 2023, toofargone said the following...

I could have, but M*A*S*H is my all time favorite show and that's why I picked it, it can get a bit low with the realities of war but the acting and so forth is amazing.

I remember reading somewhere that the original creators of the show never wanted a laugh track, but CBS put their foot down and forced them to have one.

The laugh track was able to be removed for certain episodes and was later toned down and eventually eliminated all together. I also remember reading the laugh track was never added in the UK.


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I remember reading somewhere that the original creators of the show never wanted a laugh track, but CBS put their foot down and forced them to
have one.

I'm not sure I could imagine the show without a laughing track. I'll have to see if I can find one without.

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Adept wrote to toofargone <=-

I'm enjoying the fact that a show about the horrors of the Korean War
is your example.

I would have loved to be a fly on the wall when they pitched Hogan's
Heroes to the network. A sitcom set in a prisoner of war camp?

Though, yeah, the gore was probably unrealistic, as was their depiction
of the horrors.

I think they did try to reflect some of the mental anguish of the war;
as the show went on it felt like the sets and the personnel got smaller
and smaller, until it felt to be mostly about internal conflict.

I wouldn't say it was a _good_ movie, but certainly they're still
making things to appeal to those of us who want escapism rather than be confronted with difficult realities.

Mad Men and the West Wing make for good escapism for me. Another time,
another place, another political realm.



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toofargone wrote to Adept <=-

And the final episode of M*A*S*H is still the most watched TV episode
in history! All without the gore of today's tv/movies/music ;)

On a different note, take a listen to Alan Alda nowadays. He's been
dedicated to working to improve communication between scientists and the public, finding ways to help scientists build compelling stories that
lay persons can appreciate. It's very interesting listening to him talk
about the importance of finding common ground as the basis of
communication. It's something sorely lacking these days.

He made the comment that he was lucky to be on a show called M*A*S*H and
didn't have to work, so he was able to find something he was passionate
about and pursue it. Communication between people is his passion.



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toofargone wrote to Warpslide <=-

I'm not sure I could imagine the show without a laughing track. I'll
have to see if I can find one without.

Someone took the very obvious laugh track out of "The Big Bang Theory",
and it becomes "let's belittle the obsessive-compulsive-guy theory". It
felt really dark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8DGiYRhvC0



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Yes, the laughs do seem to lighten up the dialog. I mean if you find the guy so annoying, then move out and live somewhere else instead of spending your life annoyed at the guy.

I'm not a fan of modern shows, and there are only a few series I follow - mainly the early ones mash, hogans heroes, happy days etc.

I tried watching a hells kitchen episode, either the "cooks" are highly paid actors or they have more self control than I do. I'm surprised Ramsay didn't end up with a frypan over his head. I don't understand how people find that stuff entertaining...

And those shows like gogglebox where you watch people watching tv.... I just have no words for that...

Ughhh I'm getting old and grumpy!

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Re: Re: soap operas
By: toofargone to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Mar 30 2023 01:51 pm

I'm not a fan of modern shows, and there are only a few series I follow - mainly the early ones mash, hogans heroes, happy days etc.

One thing I don't like with most TV shows these days is they have story arcs that go the whole season, and each episode is just a small part in the season-long story. I suppose that has its upsides, but you can't just watch any random episode of the show.

I tried watching a hells kitchen episode, either the "cooks" are highly paid actors or they have more self control than I do. I'm surprised Ramsay didn't end up with a frypan over his head. I don't understand how people find that stuff entertaining...

I like watching cooking competition shows sometimes. Dave Ramsey can be annoying though. It seems cooking competition shows are popular though, and there are others.

And those shows like gogglebox where you watch people watching tv.... I just have no words for that...

I haven't heard of that one..

Nightfox

One thing I don't like with most TV shows these days is they have story arcs that go the whole season, and each episode is just a small part in the season-long story. I suppose that has its upsides, but you can't
just watch any random episode of the show.

Yeah it's like watching a 20+ hour movie, I don't have the attention span to keep up with everything that's happened/happening and guessing what's going to happen. I like it to be over quickly and move on to the next thing.

I like watching cooking competition shows sometimes. Dave Ramsey can be annoying though. It seems cooking competition shows are popular though, and there are others.

I tried watching masterchef too but I don't particularly enjoy the contestants being nasty to each other, and I find the judges can be nasty in their judging. If it was all about the food, and constructive judging it would be great!

I haven't heard of that one..

It's an Australian/UK show;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOBz0i3zC8E

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Re: Re: soap operas
By: toofargone to Nightfox on Fri Mar 31 2023 10:30 am

I tried watching masterchef too but I don't particularly enjoy the contestants being nasty to each other, and I find the judges can be nasty in their judging. If it was all about the food, and constructive judging it would be great!

A couple that I've watched that I liked were The Great British Bake-Off (AKA The Great British Baking Show in the US) and Zumbo's Just Desserts (from Australia).

Nightfox

A couple that I've watched that I liked were The Great British Bake-Off (AKA The Great British Baking Show in the US) and Zumbo's Just Desserts (from Australia).

thanks, I'll check them out! I'm always after good tv shows!

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Re: Re: soap operas
By: toofargone to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Mar 30 2023 01:51 pm

I tried watching a hells kitchen episode, either the "cooks" are highly paid actors or they have more self control than I do. I'm surprised Ramsay didn't end up with a frypan over his head. I don't understand how people

Must be because of the cameras - you're right, he wouldn't survive a night talking to a real chef like he does.

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Re: Re: soap operas
By: poindexter FORTRAN to toofargone on Thu Mar 30 2023 06:18 pm

I tried watching a hells kitchen episode, either the "cooks" are
highly paid actors or they have more self control than I do. I'm
surprised Ramsay didn't end up with a frypan over his head. I don't
understand how people

Must be because of the cameras - you're right, he wouldn't survive a night talking to a real chef like he does.

I imagine part of why he does that is theatrics, to make the show interesting.

Nightfox

Must be because of the cameras - you're right, he wouldn't survive a
night talking to a real chef like he does.

He certainly doesn't like anyone standing up for themselves!

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I imagine part of why he does that is theatrics, to make the show interesting.

Yeah it's pretty sad that hells kitchen is cutting edge entertainment these days.

It must be sad for him, he doesn't have any qualities that will appeal to people so he has to swear and abuse non stop for an hour to get the views.

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Re: Re: soap operas
By: toofargone to Nightfox on Fri Mar 31 2023 06:52 pm

I imagine part of why he does that is theatrics, to make the show
interesting.

Yeah it's pretty sad that hells kitchen is cutting edge entertainment these days.

It must be sad for him, he doesn't have any qualities that will appeal to people so he has to swear and abuse non stop for an hour to get the views.

It seems like the same type of over-the-top judgmental behavior we used to see from Simon Cowell on American Idol, and the original host of the game show The Weakest Link (who used to give insulting comments to the contestants).

Nightfox

Re: soap operas
By: Elf to ARELOR on Sat Mar 25 2023 08:12 am

That's probably why I prefer to watch older TV shows still. I like
*some* newer shows, but my wife and I still watch old re-runs from the
90's too. For new shows, we have been enjoying 'The Rookie' and the
'911' series (as silly as some of the episodes are). At least they don't seem so dark. I also prefer the previous Star Trek series like TNG,
Voyager, DS9 and even Enterprise. The Picard series is so dark and the language not so fitting for an "enlightened" people of the era. But, the
new Star Trek Strange New Worlds series is really good and back to an episodic format and much lighter than Picard.

I also tend to watch old shows and I haven t watched anything new in ages.

If you compare the modern stuff with, let s say, My Friend Flipper or Fury (The Story of a Horse and the Boy who loved Him) you can see there is a lot of focus on having the kids take responsibility for their actions and becoming a better version of themselves. "I let Flipper eat all the fish, so I have to man up and replace all the fish he ate!"


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Re: the book that inspired M*A*S*H
By: Ogg to toofargone on Mon Mar 27 2023 11:46 pm

"There were also the lighter moments. When a Korean came to

This talking about Korea has reminded me of Ltn. Reckless, the army horse that hauled ammo and supplies without her human back and forth after taking a battle wound. She liked scrambled eggs for breakfast.


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Re: Re: soap operas
By: poindexter FORTRAN to toofargone on Wed Mar 29 2023 07:02 am

Someone took the very obvious laugh track out of "The Big Bang Theory",
and it becomes "let's belittle the obsessive-compulsive-guy theory". It
felt really dark.

I haven t watched the show, but my understanding is that it is a show about nerds for people who aren t nerds themselves.

I mention because my nerdish friends are always pissed off when someboty tells them to watch The Big Bang THeory on the grounds that they will like it because it is a nerd show.

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Quoting Arelor to Elf <=-

I also tend to watch old shows and I haven t watched anything new in
ages.
If you compare the modern stuff with, let s say, My Friend Flipper or
Fury (The Story of a Horse and the Boy who loved Him) you can see there
is a lot of focus on having the kids take responsibility for their
actions and becoming a better version of themselves. "I let Flipper eat all the fish, so I have to man up and replace all the fish he ate!"

Personal responsibility? Foreign concept to many today. Quite sad.

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Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Someone took the very obvious laugh track out of "The Big Bang Theory",
and it becomes "let's belittle the obsessive-compulsive-guy theory". It
felt really dark.

I haven t watched the show, but my understanding is that it is a
show about nerds for people who aren t nerds themselves.

I mention because my nerdish friends are always pissed off when
someboty tells them to watch The Big Bang THeory on the grounds
that they will like it because it is a nerd show.

I think it may be impossible to *NOT* like the show, regardless of nerd status. ;-)


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Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

I mention because my nerdish friends are always pissed off when
someboty tells them to watch The Big Bang THeory on the grounds that
they will like it because it is a nerd show.

I'm a nerd, and I like it. I'll pause the screen to see what equations
they have on the white boards in their office and living room.

The fact that they have a white board in their living room speaks
volumes.



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I like watching cooking competition shows sometimes. Dave Ramsey can be annoying though. It seems cooking competition shows are popular though, and there are others.

I imagine Dave Ramsey can be annoying, but it'd be over how to live debt free, whereas Gordon Ramsey is the one who'll insult you in the kitchen.

But, as with most TV and radio personalities, they're probably difficult to deal with in real life.

Or possibly easier, I guess, when they're not performing. But it's such a different life that I imagine even fairly-normal people wind up heavily changed by it.

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This talking about Korea has reminded me of Ltn. Reckless, the army
horse that hauled ammo and supplies without her human back and forth
after taking a battle wound. She liked scrambled eggs for breakfast.

I was unaware of this, and it's a pretty neat story. "Reckless made 51 trips to resupply the guns with ammunition on one day alone."

She was led to and from the place a couple of times, but largely just ran back and forth herself.

That said, unless there was some late-in-life promotion, her top rank was Staff Sergeant. But impressive, nonetheless, as she's the only horse in US history to be promoted to the rank of sergeant.

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Re: Re: soap operas
By: Adept to Nightfox on Tue Apr 04 2023 01:54 pm

I like watching cooking competition shows sometimes. Dave Ramsey
can be annoying though. It seems cooking competition shows are
popular though, and there are others.

I imagine Dave Ramsey can be annoying, but it'd be over how to live debt free, whereas Gordon Ramsey is the one who'll insult you in the kitchen.

Oops.. I guess I got those two confused when I wrote that. :)

Nightfox

Adept wrote to Nightfox <=-

But, as with most TV and radio personalities, they're probably
difficult to deal with in real life.

Suze Orman lived near me back in the 2000s. She used to stop at garage
sales and berate the organizers, telling them they'd be better off
donating the items and taking a write-off, then getting back in her
Lexus and driving off.



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Suze Orman lived near me back in the 2000s. She used to stop at garage sales and berate the organizers, telling them they'd be better off donating the items and taking a write-off, then getting back in her
Lexus and driving off.

...at least she was _really_ staying on brand?

But, yeah, that sounds unpleasant. Sometimes people just want to have a garage sale. And maybe just make money by doing something honest and straightforward.

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Re: Re: soap operas
By: Adept to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Apr 08 2023 09:44 pm

...at least she was _really_ staying on brand?

But, yeah, that sounds unpleasant. Sometimes people just want to have a garage sale. And maybe just make money by doing something honest and straightforward.

We've always had fun with garage sales - bought several dozen donut holes, made a 20 cup urn full of coffee, chatted with the customers, had the kids manage their own sales, and cleaned out our garage.

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