I doubt anyone is entertained by poor writing styles.

...stop.
We're done, here.

Once again, you snip out ALL the context, in a vain attempt to further
your point, which is still wrong.

No.

That was saying she's had enough of your conversation, not trying to
further any point. Given that you've digressed into personal attacks,
it's probably a good idea to stop.

Andrew


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The kebab is NOT German, and it's really that simple.

I suspect that while the kebab is not German, the German Kebab is.. kind of reminds me of one of the old arguments on Yes Minister... they want to call
it the Emulsified High-Fat Offal Tubing... how about we just call it the british sausage... It might not be your kebab, but this is our/their kebab.

We have similar here in "asian" restaurants. They bear no resemblence to
the original foods at their point of origin. It becomes.. homogenised to fit the new market that it finds itself in. And probably also bear little resemblence to the same foods presented in different countries...

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The Kebab isn't German though. It's not of German origin. The only reason its popular is because of the large number of migrants from countries which have Kebabs.

The potato isn't of German origin, either. And tomatoes aren't Italian.

And Doener Kebab, in Germany, is a bit of a mixture between what's
common in Turkey and a gyro from Greece, and is something that you don't get elsewhere.

Clearly it's still strongly influenced by immigrants from Turkey. Just that the exact version is as German as the fortune cookie is American.

Which has been my point from the beginning, as I was talking about
General Tso's being an American dish, even though people get it at
Chinese restaurants.

There is no contradiction in the statement that the potato didn't originate in Germany, but certain potato based dishes are.

The Kebab is not "strongly influenced by immigrants from Turkey". It IS a Meditteranean/Middle Eastern dish. It MAY be true to say the variant in Germany is a little different to the ones you get in Australia (I've had both). We have them here too.

The Kebab is a bad example. A better example would be Chicken Tikka Masala, which did originate (most likely) in the UK (by immigrants though).

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And Doener Kebab, in Germany, is a bit of a mixture between what's common in Turkey and a gyro from Greece, and is something that you do get elsewhere.

Having spent a lot of time in various Middle Eastern countries as well as Germany, I don't personally agree with your assessment here. But I do enjoy reading the argument everyone is having for some reason lol.

But yeah, the "is something that you don't get elsewhere" - full stop, this is not true. Speaking from a multitude of personal experience here. :)

They do vary a little from country to country. In Australia, it is common to have lettuce in them and lamb. In Greece, its usually either Chicken or Pork, and chips and mustard are common. The "chips and mustard" was unheard of here 20 years ago, and more recently, has become avaialble, but nowhere near as ubiquitous as in Greece. Also, Australian souvlakis are generally bigger and costlier. In Germany, the "pocket kebabs" were popular, here again, not so much. Shawarma's were also popular in parts of Germany, but when I was there, I was looking for authentic German food, which seemed in some places, harder to get than Kebabs!

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Clearly it's still strongly influenced by immigrants from Turkey. Just that the exact version is as German as the fortune cookie is American.

I've seen Doener Kebab outside of Germany, and fortune cookies outside of America. See above re: wrong again.

So reading this thread, it seems what adept is saying is Germans have a special kebab that they make which they call a Doener Kebab. We have Doener kebabs in Australia, but I don't know if they are the same as German ones, but we have a lot of german immigrants too.

I've spent months in Europe, a notable portion of that in Germany where I have in-laws. The Doner Kebabs in Europe are a little different to the Souvlakis you'll find in a Fish and Chip store in Australia, which aren't like Souvlakis in Greece. Kebabs in Europe are largely the same, with minor variations depending on the region. They generally come in two types A Durum Kebab and a Doner Kebab (I think). One is in a pita pocket (the Doner Kebab) so a bit like a sandwich almost, the other in pita wrap. The Sandwich Style aren't that common in Australia (I've barely seem them) but popular in Germany and Austria. I think this is what Adept is referring to, that flat, pita-sandwich style presentation may be specific to Germany. But as its a variant of a Turkish dish, and was created by Turks, I don't think that makes it German, anymore than a Greek putting prawns in a Souvlaki in Melbourne makes Souvlaki's "Australian".

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Hello apam!

** On Friday 02.12.22 - 18:00, apam wrote to Gamgee:

[...] I would say american's invented peanut butter and jam
(Sorry I just can't call it "jelly") sandwich (and they can
keep it).

afiak, jam and jelly re technically different things.


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Re: Re: Help me here .. I am confused ?
By: apam to Gamgee on Fri Dec 02 2022 06:00 pm

Who invented the sandwich? and can people invent types of sandwiches? I

Yes, I think people can invent new types of sandwiches. But as for your question about who invented the sandwich, that was John Montagu, the 4th Earl of Sandwich:
https://earlofsandwichusa.com/who-we-are/

Nightfox

afiak, jam and jelly re technically different things.

They are in Australia, jam is spread much like marmalade, jelly is wobbly
stuff you make from jelly powder and hot water then put in the fridge.
I'm not sure what americans call jelly? jello maybe?

As far as I know, what we in australia call jam is what americans call
jelly.

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apam wrote to Gamgee <=-

I doubt anyone is entertained by poor writing styles.

...stop.
We're done, here.

Once again, you snip out ALL the context, in a vain attempt to further
your point, which is still wrong.

No.

That was saying she's had enough of your conversation, not trying
to further any point. Given that you've digressed into personal
attacks, it's probably a good idea to stop.

See... the lack of context, and/or your vocabulary, have made you think
that I've done some kind of "personal attack". My statement above about
"poor writing styles" is simply a reference to her statement that she is "having fun launching tautologies". If you need to, go back and read
her message that I was replying to, and see it for yourself. Then look
up "tautology" and you'll understand why I said that. It was clearly
not a personal attack, but the lack of quoting/context makes it appear
that way.

Over-snipping (to remove context) is a common problem (in my opinion). Sometimes it's just the poster's poor style/etiquette, and sometimes
it's done intentionally, as I stated.

So.... yes.



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apam wrote to Gamgee <=-

Clearly it's still strongly influenced by immigrants from Turkey.
Just that the exact version is as German as the fortune cookie is American.

I've seen Doener Kebab outside of Germany, and fortune cookies outside
of America. See above re: wrong again.

So reading this thread, it seems what adept is saying is Germans
have a special kebab that they make which they call a Doener
Kebab. We have Doener kebabs in Australia, but I don't know if
they are the same as German ones, but we have a lot of german
immigrants too.

What she is calling a Doener kebab is mostly known here in America as a
"gyro" or maybe a "schwarma". More of what most would call a
"sandwich" in general. The actual definition of a kebab is just a skewered/cooked chunk of meat (often w/ veggies) on a stick/rod.

Who invented the sandwich? and can people invent types of
sandwiches? I would say we invented the vegimite sandwich, but
did not invent sandwiches. I would say american's invented peanut
butter and jam (Sorry I just can't call it "jelly") sandwich (and
they can keep it).

In America, jelly is a fruity substance which has no "bits/chunks" in
it, and jam has bits/chunks. Jam is also known as "preserves". Either
jam or jelly is a great companion to peanut butter between bread.

A kebab is a lot like a sandwich, it's the fillings that make it different.

I disagree with that. The kebab is just the cooked chunk of meat.
Putting that into a wrapper of some kind makes it no longer a kebab, but
now a sandwich/gyro/wrap. Of course I am speaking of American
definitions of these words, and that difference in definitions may be a
big part of the misunderstandings that are apparent in this thread.


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But yeah, the "is something that you don't get elsewhere" - full stop, this is not true. Speaking from a multitude of personal experience here. :)

If true, fine, but the claim I was making at that point was in part reinforced by someone born in Germany who just spent two weeks in Turkey.

But could you speak to what you think is the same? I know that kebab exists in lots of places, so if you've spent a lot of time trying a variety of dishes at German and Turkish kebab places, and found them to have the same menus, it'd be nice to hear more details on that experience.

The whole, "You're clearly wrong" message just kind of irritates me, as it provides no data or reason for me to doubt my claim, and isn't presented in a, "hey, I disagree with your assessment" sort of way, just a, "you're stupid" kind of way. Which is more likely to make me think that people aren't even considering my opinion, thus there's no reason for me to consider theirs.

Your message is definitely better, as you're saying you disagree because of your own personal assessment and expertise, and, sure, that's great. I'm more inclined to believe you, even though I doubt that 30 years+ of an ethnic cuisine in Germany is likely to have remained unchanged from being in Germany.

And, even if it _were_ exactly the same, it's still a part of German culture, because it's possibly easier to find a Doener place than to find a place that primarily serves traditional German dishes.

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I suspect that while the kebab is not German, the German Kebab is.. kind

I mean, that's been my entire point. I didn't expect it to be particularly controversial, other than if/when I push to say that the German Kebab is as German as potato dishes.

of reminds me of one of the old arguments on Yes Minister... they want
to call it the Emulsified High-Fat Offal Tubing... how about we just
call it the british sausage... It might not be your kebab, but this is our/their kebab.

Hah! That does seem like an entertaining way to put it. Though Emulsified High-Fat Offal Tubing is clearly a tastier way to phrase it. (kidding, of course, though it _does_ have a lot of adjectives, and "British" might have negative connotations for food things, for some people)

We have similar here in "asian" restaurants. They bear no resemblence to

Yeah, makes sense. Though I'm not sure if I really have a firm mental image on what Australian food is, beyond the, "throw a shrimp on the barbie and drink a Foster's" that's probably as fair as American food being McDonald's and cheese product that comes from a can. And probably some light beer, but
I'm honestly not sure which American beers make it out of the country.

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If true, fine, but the claim I was making at that point was in part reinforced by someone born in Germany who just spent two weeks in Turkey.

Hey, I apologize for being combative here. We've all got different experiences. *shrug*

I mean, currywurst is German, but is clearly influenced my Indian cuisine. Similarly, El Pastor food in Mexico is their take on Shawarma. But yeah, kebabs in my experience have always been Middle Eastern. Interestingly enough there is a (likely thousands year old) discussion about whether certain regional deserts are from Turkey or from Greece. Baklava comes to mind specifically.

But could you speak to what you think is the same? I know that kebab exists in lots of places, so if you've spent a lot of time trying a variety of dishes at German and Turkish kebab places, and found them to have the same menus, it'd be nice to hear more details on that
experience.

The only non-Iraqi street food I ever had in Iraq was corn on the cob, of all things. The same can be said for Syria. Turkey, on the other hand, had a much more worldly selection. That said, grilled meat is fairly commonplace the world over, but 'kebab' is not a German word and the spices used in the meat preparation are common to the Middle East.

The whole, "You're clearly wrong" message just kind of irritates me, as
it provides no data or reason for me to doubt my claim, and isn't presented in a, "hey, I disagree with your assessment" sort of way, just a, "you're stupid" kind of way. Which is more likely to make me think
that people aren't even considering my opinion, thus there's no reason
for me to consider theirs.

Yeah, you're right, and I apologize for how I phrased it. Cheers.

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Adept wrote to Spectre <=-

but I'm honestly not sure which American beers make it
out of the country.

I was in London in 1999 and was shocked to walk into a pub and see almost everyone drinking Budweiser. I went ahead and ordered a hand-pulled pint of bitters and looked at my co-worker's bottle. The label said Budsweiser, but the fine print said "Brewed by Watney's in London".


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esc wrote to Adept <=-

Interestingly enough there is a (likely thousands year old) discussion about whether certain regional deserts are from Turkey or from Greece. Baklava comes to mind specifically.

Turkish/Greek coffee is identical, and either nationality will argue to the ends of the earth that they invented it.


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Hey, I apologize for being combative here. We've all got different experiences. *shrug*

Really, no offense taken, on my part. I was certainly expressing some frustration, but I appreciated that you did at least do an appeal to expertise, where you claimed to know more because of your travels.

And sorry for any shortness I had, or if I got too... spicy? in previous messages. I love a nice discussion, even when it's, "No, I totally disagree with your take on...", but, really, I like when it's friendly, here, and hopefully I'm a net positive.

And I do appreciate your response, here:

a, "you're stupid" kind of way. Which is more likely to make me think that people aren't even considering my opinion, thus there's no reaso for me to consider theirs.

Yeah, you're right, and I apologize for how I phrased it. Cheers.

...though I wouldn't say it's necessary; just trying to talk through how my response can be, whether fair or not.

Anyway! Back to the discussion.

fairly commonplace the world over, but 'kebab' is not a German word and the spices used in the meat preparation are common to the Middle East.

Yeah, to be fair, I've mostly been saying "kebab" because it's almost always "Doner", here, but with an umlaut above an o instead of "o", and I'm presently unable to send an umlaut'd o through MagiTerm.

And I'm not really sure where Doner would be from, or even what it means. And "kebab" I tend to think of being, "meat on a stick", but in the served-on-a-stick sense, rather than the shaved-off-a-meat-hunk sense.

...and I think that's just wrong, but in the, "everyone uses a different definition than what I internalized" sense.

But it's doubtlessly the Doner twist that's more German.

On that note, one other weird aside here, is that, since I'm vegetarian but don't particularly like falafel, I don't have much in the way of options at most Doner Kebab places. But there's a vegetarian place that's within walking distance of me, which I'm delighted by, especially as the guy claims it's his own unique preparation.

As in, while I've been to at least one other vegetarian Doner place, he didn't borrow his version from other people, and was unaware of others doing it at all.

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I was in London in 1999 and was shocked to walk into a pub and see
almost everyone drinking Budweiser. I went ahead and ordered a hand-pulled pint of bitters and looked at my co-worker's bottle. The label said Budsweiser, but the fine print said "Brewed by Watney's in London".

Doesn't Budweiser traditionally have multiple breweries around the US (and evidently world), and then have people who travel between them to continually do testing to make sure that they manage to taste the same?

At least I thought I read something like that. Certainly, brewing locally makes a lot more sense than shipping liquids around.

But really only reasonable to brew locally if one can sell enough to justify it.

But okay, probably more Budweiser than other things. I'm kinda wondering if I could get a Miller Light here, or random craft brews that really did get shipped over.

...but not wondering enough to go shopping, as I'm bad enough with buying more wine and gin than I will get remotely close to finishing.

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I was in London in 1999 and was shocked to walk into a pub and see almost everyone drinking Budweiser. I went ahead and ordered a hand-pulled pint
of bitters and looked at my co-worker's bottle. The label said
Budsweiser, but the fine print said "Brewed by Watney's in London".

That is very cool. I guess they have separate places it is brewed - which makes sence. Less to ship around all over the world.

I think I'll have to have a few Budweisers here shortly since I took the day off today...

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Re: Re: Help me here .. I am confused ?
By: Spectre to Adept on Fri Dec 02 2022 08:07 pm

The kebab is NOT German, and it's really that simple.

I suspect that while the kebab is not German, the German Kebab is.. kind of reminds me of one of the old arguments on Yes Minister... they want to call it the Emulsified High-Fat Offal Tubing... how about we just call it the british sausage... It might not be your kebab, but this is our/their kebab.

That is a lot like saying that Kukris are a Western type of knife because Kukri knives manufactured in the West have a tendency to sport certain traits (shorter blade, wider blade). That argument does not fly. Kukris are clearly Asian and then there are the modern Western imitations.

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But could you speak to what you think is the same? I know that kebab exists in lots of places, so if you've spent a lot of time trying a variety of dishes at German and Turkish kebab places, and found them to have the same menus, it'd be nice to hear more details on that experience.

der echte deutsche Döner würde Wurst enthalten :)

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Yeah, makes sense. Though I'm not sure if I really have a firm mental image on what Australian food is, beyond the, "throw a shrimp on the barbie and drink a Foster's" that's probably as fair as American food being McDonald's and cheese product that comes from a can. And probably

You coming the raw prawn there? We don't have no shrimps.. aside from small people. And I don't actually know anyone that'd throw a prawn on the barbie either, mind you I have a thing against food with exoskeletons and shells..

That Fosters swill, is what they send or brew overseas to call Australian, but you can't even buy it here. The "Australian" beer is probably a local more local than one might expect.. Victoria Bitter - Victoria, a oddly enough.
XXXX for Queenslanders because they can't spell be Not being much of a
beer drinker myself, you'd have to look up the other locals... Tooheys, Coopers, Cascade, not sure what else...

Spec


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That is a lot like saying that Kukris are a Western type of knife because Kukri knives manufactured in the West have a tendency to sport
certain traits (shorter blade, wider blade). That argument does not
fly. Kukris are clearly Asian and then there are the modern Western

Sure it flies, you take your wonky western "Kukris" over to shonkyland
wherever they may originate and I'm sure they'll laugh at it, and call it something else. Probably far less flattering...and not a Kukris..

Spec


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Sure it flies, you take your wonky western "Kukris" over to shonkyland

I have no idea what this conversation is about hahaha. This cracked me up.

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Yeah, makes sense. Though I'm not sure if I really have a firm mental image on what Australian food is, beyond the, "throw a shrimp on the barbie and drink a Foster's" that's probably as fair as American food being McDonald's and cheese product that comes from a can. And probab

You coming the raw prawn there? We don't have no shrimps.. aside from small people. And I don't actually know anyone that'd throw a prawn on the barbie either, mind you I have a thing against food with
exoskeletons and shells..

That Fosters swill, is what they send or brew overseas to call
Australian, but you can't even buy it here. The "Australian" beer is probably a local more local than one might expect.. Victoria Bitter - Victoria, a oddly enough. XXXX for Queenslanders because they can't
spell be Not being much of a beer drinker myself, you'd have to look
up the other locals... Tooheys, Coopers, Cascade, not sure what else...

Spec

The only time I ever drank Fosters was when I was in Germany at a bar with backpackers. I only drank it to "live up to the stereotype" and had to explain to them, we don't drink this back home, and for good reason. We've got much better beer to choose from.

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You coming the raw prawn there? We don't have no shrimps.. aside from small people. And I don't actually know anyone that'd throw a prawn on the barbie either, mind you I have a thing against food with

Yeah, I think it's just some backwards thing I heard about from Outback Steakhouse commercials at some point in time.

That Fosters swill, is what they send or brew overseas to call
Australian, but you can't even buy it here. The "Australian" beer is

Seems about right.

probably a local more local than one might expect.. Victoria Bitter - Victoria, a oddly enough. XXXX for Queenslanders because they can't

Yeah, I do tend to think of beer as a generally local product -- if the brewmaster doesn't live in the area (or bottles were directly exported from wherever the maker lives), it's mass-produced, least-common-denominator drinks. That, sure, are probably acceptable much of the time, but not particularly compelling.

But, on the other hand, "mass-produced, least-common-denominator drinks" also avoid some of the... unpleasantly-flavored versions that surely exist. You know what you're getting.

That said, I do imagine there's some more-unique Australian wines out there, but my knowledge of Australian wine is mostly just mass-produced things that are unlikely to be sublime.

...though alcohol is generally wasted on me, anyway.

spell be Not being much of a beer drinker myself, you'd have to look
up the other locals... Tooheys, Coopers, Cascade, not sure what else...

What's something more "Australian" that you do consume?

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Spectre wrote to Adept <=-

Australian, but you can't even buy it here. The "Australian" beer is probably a local more local than one might expect.. Victoria Bitter - Victoria, a oddly enough. XXXX for Queenslanders because they can't
spell be Not being much of a beer drinker myself, you'd have to look
up the other locals... Tooheys, Coopers, Cascade, not sure what else...

I loved the beer scene in England, you'd have pubs owned by regional
breweries and get beer made locally.

I lived in the SOMA area of San Francisco, and one bar was 5 blocks from the Anchor brewery. Their Anchor Steam beer tasted significantly better than anywhere else, and I'm sure it went straight into the keg and down the
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Re: Re: Help me here .. I am confused ?
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Spectre on Tue Dec 06 2022 06:56 am

I loved the beer scene in England, you'd have pubs owned by regional breweries and get beer made locally.

There are a few of those in Oregon. I briefly lived in Bend, OR and there's a Deschutes Brewwery pub there where they make beer locally.

Nightfox

Re: Re: Help me here .. I am confused ?
By: Spectre to Arelor on Tue Dec 06 2022 05:58 pm

That is a lot like saying that Kukris are a Western type of knife becau Kukri knives manufactured in the West have a tendency to sport
certain traits (shorter blade, wider blade). That argument does not fly. Kukris are clearly Asian and then there are the modern Western

Sure it flies, you take your wonky western "Kukris" over to shonkyland wherever they may originate and I'm sure they'll laugh at it, and call it something else. Probably far less flattering...and not a Kukris..

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I am sure the guys who invented the Kopis would laugh at a Kurki. I don't really get the argument.

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It seems some places have a General Tso's Chicken dish and some don't. Also, it seems it can be inconsistent depending on which restaurant you get it from (but that's about true for any Chinese dish). Usually it's breaded and fried chicken in a sauce that I'd call sweet and spicy (or savory).

Nightfox

Definitely one of my favorites for sure with White Rice! But, yes, depending on where you go it can be a little different from place to place.

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Definitely one of my favorites for sure with White Rice! But, yes, depending on where you go it can be a little different from place to place.

So what is the best place for it in Griswold? I'm wondering what you think now lol

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Yeah, I think it's just some backwards thing I heard about from Outback Steakhouse commercials at some point in time.

The little I've heard about Outback Steakhouse, it has nothing to do with Austraya mate...

That said, I do imagine there's some more-unique Australian wines out there, but my knowledge of Australian wine is mostly just mass-produced things that are unlikely to be sublime.

Ha! Probably the biggest contribution to wine from Austraya, is the "Goon
Bag", being the guts out of cask wine.. chuckle. Not much of a wine drinker either aside from the odd red occasionally. Finding a wine I enjoy is rather hard work. There are some wines out of WA that are meant to be flash, and we grow almost every grape variety there is, but some of our vin ordinaire is meant to punch above its weight.

What's something more "Australian" that you do consume?

To pop out of left field, there's always Bundaberg Ginger Beer, its a brewed softdrink.. no alcohol.. cold one on a hot day... hmmm also seens to work
with some flavours of asian food.

In the past, I've tended to prefer spirits but I can't say we have anything much exciting there. We do some mead thats worth trying, I tend to prefer the spiced brew. And if you've really got the cold day and a good book, the odd port can be pretty spiffy too.

Mead

https://www.firstchoiceliquor.com.au/white-wine/maxwell-spiced-mead-750ml_9935 800

Port

https://www.danmurphys.com.au/product/DM_904810/mcwilliam-s-hanwood-estate-5yo -tawny

https://www.danmurphys.com.au/product/DM_73121/galway-pipe-12-year-old-grand-t awny

Ginger Beer

https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/productdetails/203552

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I loved the beer scene in England, you'd have pubs owned by regional breweries and get beer made locally.

Not sure that's still a thing here. Back in the late 80s early 90s we had a number of them turn up. Pretty sure the station tavern was set up like that, its gone now..

https://www.flickr.com/photos/tidalpix/2934039396

Yup had the old S class Victorian Railways locomotive hanging out the front wall. Had its brewery setup out the back with windows you could peer in at
it. Also had a model railway that ran around the top of the bar.

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Re: Re: Help me here .. I am confused ?
By: Spectre to Adept on Wed Dec 07 2022 03:06 am

What's something more "Australian" that you do consume?

To pop out of left field, there's always Bundaberg Ginger Beer, its a brewed softdrink.. no alcohol.. cold one on a hot day... hmmm also seens

I live in the US, and one day I saw a (supposedly Australian) ginger beer at a store and decided to try one. The flavor was very intense and strong, and almost gave me a stomach ache.. I thought it might be similar to ginger ale - I'm used to drinking Canada Dry ginger ale (and similar), which is more mild and sometimes I feel like that can help my stomach if I'm having stomach issues.

Nightfox

strong, and almost gave me a stomach ache.. I thought it might be
similar to ginger ale - I'm used to drinking Canada Dry ginger ale (and similar), which is more mild and sometimes I feel like that can help my stomach if I'm having stomach issues.

Nightfox

This makes me think of Vernor's ginger ale!

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Re: Re: Help me here .. I am confused ?
By: ogg to Nightfox on Thu Dec 08 2022 02:11 pm

strong, and almost gave me a stomach ache.. I thought it might be
similar to ginger ale - I'm used to drinking Canada Dry ginger ale
(and similar), which is more mild and sometimes I feel like that can
help my stomach if I'm having stomach issues.

This makes me think of Vernor's ginger ale!

I actually like Vernor's.

Nightfox

I live in the US, and one day I saw a (supposedly Australian) ginger beer at a store and decided to try one. The flavor was very intense and strong, and almost gave me a stomach ache.. I thought it might be similar to ginger ale - I'm used to drinking Canada Dry ginger ale (and similar), which is more mild and sometimes I feel like that can help my stomach if I'm having stomach issues.

Odd ginger is generally considered to be a good thing for an upset stomach, even some of the travel sickness tablets have it in them. Its wildly
different to ginger ale, which here is about 150% synthetic. Its probably a more intense taste, with less actual bite than ginger ale has. Not sure if
our stomachs are made of sterner stuff or the brew you got is different to ours. I guess the question is, was it brewed locally or here? If its local then I can't really make much of a comparison, if its ex-Australia, then
thats probably pretty much the way it is. I know its not everyones cup of
tea. Bundaberg actually do a brewed sarsaparilla which isn't bad either.

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To pop out of left field, there's always Bundaberg Ginger Beer, its a

I forgot, there are other brands here of "brewed ginger beer". I think Bundy
is generally accepted as the best. Some of the others vary from being close,
to being like dishwater. Hmm Saxby can't think who else off hand for
alternate brands.

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Yeah, I think it's just some backwards thing I heard about from Outba Steakhouse commercials at some point in time.

The little I've heard about Outback Steakhouse, it has nothing to do with Austraya mate...

Yeah. I figured it was more caricature than reality.

But I'm not sure if I've even eaten there, and if I have, it's been years.

Ha! Probably the biggest contribution to wine from Austraya, is the "Goon Bag", being the guts out of cask wine.. chuckle. Not much of a wine

That... doesn't sound either flattering or tasty, but _does_ sound entertaining.

enjoy is rather hard work. There are some wines out of WA that are meant to be flash, and we grow almost every grape variety there is, but some
of our vin ordinaire is meant to punch above its weight.

I think most places that make wine end up with various places that can make very good wine.

To pop out of left field, there's always Bundaberg Ginger Beer, its a brewed softdrink.. no alcohol.. cold one on a hot day... hmmm also seens to work with some flavours of asian food.

Those I've had, never particularly thought of as Australian, and thought were quite good.

But I like ginger beers and root beers, with the spicier they are, the better.

good book, the odd port can be pretty spiffy too.

Interesting! Though, sadly, I think port is another thing that's especially lost on me -- fortified wines tend to be too sweet for me, or too high on the alcohol flavor.

But it does sound like a pleasant evening and scenario.

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That said, I do imagine there's some more-unique Australian wines out there, but my knowledge of Australian wine is mostly just mass-produced things that are unlikely to be sublime.

"quaffable, but not yet transcendent..."

Ha! Probably the biggest contribution to wine from Austraya, is the
"Goon Bag", being the guts out of cask wine.. chuckle. Not much of a
wine drinker either aside from the odd red occasionally. Finding a wine
I enjoy is rather hard work. There are some wines out of WA that are
meant to be flash, and we grow almost every grape variety there is, but some of our vin ordinaire is meant to punch above its weight.

Their Pinots noir are nice. I live on the California coast, and our climate
is cool and moist, with lots of morning fog. All of the pinots here have the same presentation - lots of dark cherry. They're some of my favorites, as I suffer from Cabernet Sauvignon burnout - Napa Valley and sonoma got too
oakey, too alcohol-laden.

What's something more "Australian" that you do consume?

To pop out of left field, there's always Bundaberg Ginger Beer, its a brewed softdrink.. no alcohol.. cold one on a hot day... hmmm also
seens to work with some flavours of asian food.

One of my old callers went on the wagon and started drinking ginger beer at parties. They're distinctive.

He disappeared for a month off my BBS, and we wondered where he'd gone off
to. He re-appeared with a post detailing all the things he'd learned when he stopped drinking. I don't remember any of them except number 5:

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That... doesn't sound either flattering or tasty, but _does_ sound entertaining.

I think the original idea, was convenience and not using glass. But it
became the home of the super budget wine brigade.. and the kind of customer that that attracts. So not very flattering and of dubious taste.

Those I've had, never particularly thought of as Australian, and thought were quite good.

I'm sure we're not the only ones that make it. We do have quite the ginger production going on in Queensland though and one of the side effects was starting up the Budderim Brewery, although its moved these days. So "Bundabarg" is probably a pretty Australian take on your ginger beer.

Interesting! Though, sadly, I think port is another thing that's especially lost on me -- fortified wines tend to be too sweet for me, or too high on the alcohol flavor.

It might be to hard, but you probably just need to find one that suits. They can vary wildly. You can also blend fortified wines to open up a whole new field. If you've got some to sweet and some to alcoholic you could just proportion it out for something that floats your boat.

In the same vein if you find something you like and its hiddeously expensive, you can buy a bottle of it, a larger quantity of something cheaper, and a bit o' brandy. Mix it all in a cask and let it sit for some time, you'll end up with something close to what you're looking for. :)

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"quaffable, but not yet transcendent..."

I've come never to expect much from a Cab Franc and this one is no different...

Please tell me we're quoting the same brilliant film. :)

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Their Pinots noir are nice. I live on the California coast, and our climate is cool and moist, with lots of morning fog. All of the pinots here have the same presentation - lots of dark cherry. They're some of
my favorites, as I suffer from Cabernet Sauvignon burnout - Napa Valley and sonoma got too oakey, too alcohol-laden.

Oak is the American way :( It's all vanilla and no fruit. It's a bummer.

I've come to love Paso wines because of how well they taste like Rhone wines. I'm a Californian through and through but our wine in the USA is trash :P With exceptions, like...Paso!

Plus the GSM is the blend of the gods. I can drink GSM and nothing else for the rest of my days. Except, maybe, for a Burgundy pinot or a Jean Luis Chave Hermitage Rouge...but I digress.

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"quaffable, but not yet transcendent..."

I've come never to expect much from a Cab Franc and this one is no different...

Please tell me we're quoting the same brilliant film. :)

Yes, we are. I was just in Paso Robles last weekend, the region must have reminded me.

The tasting rooms were standing room only, and many were reservation only
(and full). It might be time to find the next up-and-coming wine region,
Paso is here now. :(


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Yes, we are. I was just in Paso Robles last weekend, the region must
have reminded me.

Nice! Land of the amazing GSMs! My favorite spot.

The tasting rooms were standing room only, and many were reservation
only (and full). It might be time to find the next up-and-coming wine region, Paso is here now. :(

Well, that's unfortunate. We got married in Paso in May and suspected something like this might happen.

Paso's weird though because the region feels very blue collar, right wing...not traditionally what I've come to expect from a California wine region. Maybe this will change a bit as more people infiltrate the area haha.

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Well, that's unfortunate. We got married in Paso in May and suspected something like this might happen.

I was waiting for it. I started wine tasting in Napa first, then moved out
to Sonoma, then Dry Creek/Healdsburg - trying to move away from the crowds. Discovered Paso Robles back in 1997 or so and have enjoyed the wines and the region. I'm a member of Turley's club now.

Paso's weird though because the region feels very blue collar, right wing...not traditionally what I've come to expect from a California
wine region. Maybe this will change a bit as more people infiltrate the area haha.

It was a bit scary in the middle of COVID; we took a day trip down there and there were a lot of trucks with TRUMP flags, not many masks, many MAGA hats, and seating outside in restaurants was packed. We ended up not feeling comfortable dining and instead drove home and got take-out from one of our favorite local restaurants.

The attitude was that COVID lockdowns were based on emergency room and ICU sharing, and since the Paso area was in the same zone as LA county, it was "those city people" who were causing the lockdowns, not the locals. Paso was just fine. At least that's what the local paper said.




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I was waiting for it. I started wine tasting in Napa first, then moved
out to Sonoma, then Dry Creek/Healdsburg - trying to move away from the crowds. Discovered Paso Robles back in 1997 or so and have enjoyed the wines and the region. I'm a member of Turley's club now.

Ah, nice. We are members at DAOU, Le Cuvier, and LaVenture. And I very rarely drink these days which means our wine storage is packed...and these wines are now investment items!

It was a bit scary in the middle of COVID; we took a day trip down there and there were a lot of trucks with TRUMP flags, not many masks, many MAGA hats, and seating outside in restaurants was packed. We ended up
not feeling comfortable dining and instead drove home and got take-out from one of our favorite local restaurants.

Yeah, we like renting RVs and we've noticed the RV parks in Paso are like rightwing carnivals lol. But, everyone is out having a good time so I've never seen folks with differences of opinion going after each other.

The last time we were there, we were having a snack and some wine with the people in the RV next to ours. They started ranting about student loan forgiveness, and I just kept my mouth shut to keep the peace.

The attitude was that COVID lockdowns were based on emergency room and
ICU sharing, and since the Paso area was in the same zone as LA county, it was "those city people" who were causing the lockdowns, not the locals. Paso was just fine. At least that's what the local paper said.

Yeah...can't say I'm surprised lol.

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Re: Re: Help me here .. I am confused ?
By: Spectre to Adept on Wed Dec 07 2022 03:06 am

What's something more "Australian" that you do consume?

To pop out of left field, there's always Bundaberg Ginger Beer, its a brewed softdrink.. no alcohol.. cold one on a hot day... hmmm also se

I live in the US, and one day I saw a (supposedly Australian) ginger
beer at a store and decided to try one. The flavor was very intense and strong, and almost gave me a stomach ache.. I thought it might be
similar to ginger ale - I'm used to drinking Canada Dry ginger ale (and similar), which is more mild and sometimes I feel like that can help my stomach if I'm having stomach issues.

The good old days. After a long day of throwing up, my mother would offer me a ginger ale pop to calm my stomach.

Until this cay, when I see or have a ginger ale, I think of vomit. :)

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Their Pinots noir are nice. I live on the California coast, and our climate is cool and moist, with lots of morning fog. All of the pinots here have the same presentation - lots of dark cherry. They're some of
my favorites, as I suffer from Cabernet Sauvignon burnout - Napa Valley and sonoma got too oakey, too alcohol-laden.

Pinot Noir is my favorite among common reds (I really liked a Marquette (grape type) wine I tasted, once, but since then have _never_ seen the grape available elsewhere, and I've looked.), and, yeah, too oak-y, too alcohol-laden does seem to be a common problem among many wines, if less so with Pinot Noir.

And, on that note, eventually I'll get around to trying some German Pinot Noirs (I think they're normally listed as "Spaetburgunder"), as it seems plausible that some German red wine might be benefiting from climate change.

Though wine is difficult -- I don't drink very much, so it's hard to justify buying a bottle of wine when I want a quarter of a glass. So it requires a certain type of friends, in certain situations, and oftentimes a storage place is also a good idea.

I _did_ go through a wine advent calendar. But, unfortunately, the reds were almost uniformly table wines at _best_. But there were four or five Rieslings out of the 24 bottles (100ml bottles, so I didn't feel bad drinking the amount I did.), and, while I'm not a huge fan of Rieslings, they were reliably at least decent.

But, on that note, I've drunk more gin. Easier to find small bottles, and more reasonable to just close them up again to theoretically drink later.

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Pinot Noir is my favorite among common reds (I really liked a Marquette

Tends to get thought of as a pink here, more than a red.. and lost somewhere in between.

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Pinot Noir is my favorite among common reds (I really liked a Marquet

Tends to get thought of as a pink here, more than a red.. and lost somewhere in between.

Huh. Though I _do_ tend to like Rose' wines, and the stronger red wines tend to just be too much for me, so it seems reasonable enough that it'd be a sweet spot for me.

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But, on that note, I've drunk more gin. Easier to find small bottles,
and more reasonable to just close them up again to theoretically drink later.

There's a lot to be said for the return of cocktails. A friend brought
vodka and gin to our New Year's Eve party, and made a couple of
wonderful mixed drinks.

I stuck to Salty Dogs - vodka and grapefruit juice with a salted rim and
a grapefruit wedge as garnish.



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Tends to get thought of as a pink here, more than a red.. and lost somewhere in between.

Huh. Though I _do_ tend to like Rose' wines, and the stronger red wines tend to just be too much for me, so it seems reasonable enough that it'd be a sweet spot for me.

Sorry, not having a crack at your choice or palate. More of a local observation which I see lost half its description. Pinot tends to be thought of here as pink, and often gets lost between those that claim it as red, and those that claim it as white. Not tried it myself.. I tend to be a red drinker if I'm having to drink wine for some reason.

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Sorry, not having a crack at your choice or palate. More of a local observation which I see lost half its description. Pinot tends to be thought of here as pink, and often gets lost between those that claim it as red, and those that claim it as white. Not tried it myself.. I tend
to be a red drinker if I'm having to drink wine for some reason.

Yeah, no offense taken on that -- I know a lot of people look down on rose' wines, but I'm not in that category.

I'll generally prefer reds, too, but I like the lighter reds, generally. E.g., Cabernet Sauvingnon is too intense for me to get much enjoyment out of, but Pinot Noirs I like, and Red Zinfandels.

But, if a winery only makes good white wines (like my experience with my wine calendar, where the red wines were watery or uninteresting), then better to drink a good white wine.

And, all that said, wine is oftentimes lost on me, anyway. But I like the experience of tasting things, and, to a decent extent, documenting the experience.

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I live in the US, and one day I saw a (supposedly Australian) ginger
beer at a store and decided to try one. The flavor was very intense and strong, and almost gave me a stomach ache.. I thought it might be
similar to ginger ale - I'm used to drinking Canada Dry ginger ale (and similar), which is more mild and sometimes I feel like that can help my stomach if I'm having stomach issues.

Ginger Beer and Ginger Ale are two COMPLETELY different drinks.

Ginger IS good for an upset stomach, so is pepermint. I keep a box of Pepermint Tea on hand for just such reasons.

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Ginger Beer and Ginger Ale are two COMPLETELY different drinks.

I mean, they're both non-alcoholic fizzy drinks with ginger flavor...

(But agreed)

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On 19 Jan 2023, Adept said the following...

Ginger Beer and Ginger Ale are two COMPLETELY different drinks.

I mean, they're both non-alcoholic fizzy drinks with ginger flavor...

We went to see the new Avatar movie not too long ago at a VIP (19+) cinema which serves alcoholic beverages, along with full meals via in-seat service.

One drink that caught my eye was something called a "Dutch Mule" that had vodka, lime & ginger beer. That was quite tasty.


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One drink that caught my eye was something called a "Dutch Mule" that had vodka, lime & ginger beer. That was quite tasty.

Nifty!

When I went to bars, and wanted to order _something_, I'd get a Dark and Stormy, which is rum and ginger beer.

And it was definitely a reasonable go-to for me.

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Ginger Beer and Ginger Ale are two COMPLETELY different drinks.

I mean, they're both non-alcoholic fizzy drinks with ginger flavor...

incorrect, Ginger Beer IS alcoholic.

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Re: Re: Help me here .. I am confused ?
By: Geri Atricks to Adept on Thu Jan 19 2023 12:48 pm

incorrect, Ginger Beer IS alcoholic.

I bought ginger beer once at a soda/candy store.. It wasn't in a separate alcoholic section (actually that store does not have such a section) and I wasn't asked for ID or anything. I didn't think it was alcoholic when I drank it, as it didn't have that taste.

Ginger ale isn't alcoholic, yet it has "ale" in the name..

Nightfox

One drink that caught my eye was something called a "Dutch Mule" that had vodka, lime & ginger beer. That was quite tasty.

We get them here, but only ever heard it called a mule, sans the dutch...

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incorrect, Ginger Beer IS alcoholic.

It can be, and there's the odd one here that is, but generally they aren't.

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On 19 Jan 2023, Nightfox said the following...

I bought ginger beer once at a soda/candy store.. It wasn't in a
separate alcoholic section (actually that store does not have such a section) and I wasn't asked for ID or anything. I didn't think it was alcoholic when I drank it, as it didn't have that taste.

Ginger ale isn't alcoholic, yet it has "ale" in the name..

Same here in Canada. Ginger Ale has a ginger taste while Ginger Beer is usually more intense/spicy and has a pirate on the label.

Neither contain alcohol.

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Ginger Beer and Ginger Ale are two COMPLETELY different drinks.

I mean, they're both non-alcoholic fizzy drinks with ginger flavor...

incorrect, Ginger Beer IS alcoholic.

From
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginger_beer

"usually non-alcoholic"

I think, traditionally, it'd be that ginger beer is fermented, thus creating its own bubbles, and ginger ale adds the carbon dioxide directly.

But evidently even _that_ isn't true, with current ginger beers being manufactured rather than brewed, which makes me question why they aren't just strong ginger ales.

And, I guess if you're going for, "and there's any alcohol in it at all", then any brewed ginger beer _should_ have alcohol; just not enough to qualify as an "alcoholic beverage", at least in the US.

But I imagine that regulations vary.

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I think, traditionally, it'd be that ginger beer is fermented, thus creating its own bubbles, and ginger ale adds the carbon dioxide
directly.

The "Bundaberg Ginger Beer" claims to be "traditionally" brewed. Although the theory is slightly different, you brew a cup of tea, but I'm not seeing alcohol there. I'm reasonably sure there's a distiction between brewing something and fermenting something, which may or not be part of the same process.

On the flipside if the process is heated, it may be sufficient to cook off any alcohol produced.

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I bought ginger beer once at a soda/candy store.. It wasn't in a
separate alcoholic section (actually that store does not have such a section) and I wasn't asked for ID or anything. I didn't think it was alcoholic when I drank it, as it didn't have that taste.

The only Ginger Beer I've ever had was bought at a liquor store and was like 7% alcohol if I remember correctly.

Canada Dry Ginger Ale is about the only one I can drink, every other brand I've tried burned my tongue.

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Re: Re: Help me here .. I am confused ?
By: Geri Atricks to Nightfox on Thu Jan 19 2023 04:32 pm

I bought ginger beer once at a soda/candy store.. It wasn't in a
separate alcoholic section (actually that store does not have such a
section) and I wasn't asked for ID or anything. I didn't think it
was alcoholic when I drank it, as it didn't have that taste.

The only Ginger Beer I've ever had was bought at a liquor store and was like 7% alcohol if I remember correctly.

Although it was called ginger "beer", I don't think the stuff I've tried had any alcohol in it. It was sold at a candy/soda store and I wasn't asked for my ID when I bought it. Similarly, none of the ginger "ale" I've drank has had any alcohol in it either.

Nightfox

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The only Ginger Beer I've ever had was bought at a liquor store and was like 7% alcohol if I remember correctly.

I thought most ginger beers were non-alcoholic? One of my long-time BBS
callers went into rehab years ago and has stayed sober. He'd continue to
hang out with friends, but brought a six-pack of ginger beer with him
whenever he went out.

He disappeared from the BBSes for the month he was in rehab, and came
back with a post entitled "Things I learned when I stopped drinking..."

The only one I remember was "I didn't realize until I stopped drinking
that I don't know how to dance..."



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Ha! Probably the biggest contribution to wine from Austraya, is the " Bag", being the guts out of cask wine.. chuckle. Not much of a wine

That... doesn't sound either flattering or tasty, but _does_ sound entertaining.

There's a college campus trend now, called "smashing the bag". You take cheap box wine out of the box and squeeze the bag while drinking out of the spigot.

To each generation their own. My generation proudly made beer bongs out of rubber tubing, funnels and hose clamps - and we thought we were the sassiest froods out there.

Little did we know that college co-eds have been using gravity-assist inebriation devices as long as places of upper learning have existed.

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On 01 Apr 2024, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...

There's a college campus trend now, called "smashing the bag". You take cheap box wine out of the box and squeeze the bag while drinking out of the spigot.

you mean slap the bag? which we did in 2005?

i guess the youngsters are rediscovering almost 20 year old concepts

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By: fusion to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Apr 01 2024 10:11 pm

you mean slap the bag? which we did in 2005?

Oh, god, I've turned into that uncle who tries to talk to the kidz about things he's read about.
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On 01 Apr 2024 at 09:26p, poindexter FORTRAN pondered and said...

Oh, god, I've turned into that uncle who tries to talk to the kidz about things he's read about.

Ha, I told my daughter how it was 40 years ago when I watched the first Ghostbusters movie in the theater the other day, we'd just come out of watching the latest film Ghostbusters Frozen Empire... it was the first and only film she has seen in the franchise and liked it so much she went back to see it a second time, taking us along with her :)

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On 01 Apr 2024, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...

There's a college campus trend now, called "smashing the bag". You take cheap box wine out of the box and squeeze the bag while drinking out of the spigot.

you mean slap the bag? which we did in 2005?

i guess the youngsters are rediscovering almost 20 year old
concepts

Hate to tell you this, but it's more like 40+...

Funny how kiddies think some things are "new".



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To each generation their own. My generation proudly made beer bongs out
of rubber tubing, funnels and hose clamps - and we thought we were the sassiest froods out there.

My second-hand experience, was watching the people living on the floor below me going beer fishing on American college football game day.

"Beer fishing" being taking a fishing pole, attaching a plastic cup instead of a hook, filling it up with beer, and encouraging random people walking along the road to drink the beer.

Once there was even an SUV driver with a sun roof who opened it, and they lowered a beer in.

I wouldn't say any of it was a good idea (or likely legal), but it was entertaining.

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There's a college campus trend now, called "smashing the bag". You

you mean slap the bag? which we did in 2005?

Hate to tell you this, but it's more like 40+...

They've been kicking around since the 60's somewhere... I seem to have recollections from the 70s for people hitting the goon bags.

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I saw Ghostbusters II at the movie theaters with my father a long time ago as well.


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On 05 Apr 2024 at 09:35p, Utopian Galt pondered and said...

I saw Ghostbusters II at the movie theaters with my father a long time
ago as well.

Still have a copy of that theme song from the film by Bobby Brown 'On My Own' which (from memory) he also did a short cameo in the movie??

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