So, Ive got most of my BBS back online 23 years later and I was
thinking about possible doors. Because I bought a new Intel NUC
that refuses to allow me to install Win 32bit I have 64bit windows
and mystic installed and running without issue. My question(s) to
all you good people is (are) 1. can mystic exist in a virtual
enviorment like hyper-v? Seems kludgy but I could run win 32bit in
hyper-V and thus be able to run dos doors? 2. Not moving in that
direction are there more modern BBS doors that would run with current
set up?
Greetings All,
So, Ive got most of my BBS back online 23 years later and I was thinking about possible doors. Because I bought a new Intel NUC that refuses to allow me to install Win 32bit I have 64bit windows and mystic installed and running without issue. My question(s) to all you good people is
(are) 1. can mystic exist in a virtual enviorment like hyper-v? Seems kludgy but I could run win 32bit in hyper-V and thus be able to run dos doors? 2. Not moving in that direction are there more modern BBS doors that would run with current setup?
So, Ive got most of my BBS back online 23 years later and I was thinking
and running without issue. My question(s) to all you good people is
(are) 1. can mystic exist in a virtual enviorment like hyper-v? Seems kludgy but I could run win 32bit in hyper-V and thus be able to run dos doors? 2. Not moving in that direction are there more modern BBS doors
Mystic runs fine in a Virtual enviroment. I am currently running a
Windows 10 64bit host machine with 2 Win 10 32bit VM's on it, 1 running
4 instances of Mystic (BBS,Login Server, File Server, BBS List Server)
and the other running a Door Server based on SynchroNet.. Everything
runs fine.. GIve it a shot.. :)
Can you tell me what kind of CPU, memory etc. you use to run such a
setup? I have not done much with Virtual machines but am interested to know the sort of specs I'd need to have for the hardware to pull it off?
Save my Server has great deals on just about any server config you want.
What's the cost for power consumption each month?
The reason I host my board on a cloud VM is that it's immediately scalable, connections don't enter my firewall, and I don't need to worry about hardware. I pay $20/month total to run my board which seems not
bad.
But that is way I'm moving to a R610/R710 or more less power and more
options. But ever though I pay much more then you I like the fact it is
right next to me, if a hard drive fails, I have two laying around to
hot swap in, rebuild my array and bang I'm back up. Also I clone one server to another so if something else fries I flip a switch and bang back up.
place haha. But I'm impressed. Deep down I want to build my own homelab.
Can you tell me what kind of CPU, memory etc. you use to run such a
setup? I have not done much with Virtual machines but am interested to know the sort of specs I'd need to have for the hardware to pull it off?
I am running a regular computer. i3 3.5ghz 16 gigs ram 1 TB HD, nothing special picked it up on eBay for $80 about 2 years ago. I give the Door Server 2gigs of RAM and the BBS VM 4gigs of Ram I didn't split up the cores, nothing else is special.. I am using Virtual Box to handle the VM's.. Let me know if you need any other info.. :)
(Has anyone ever told you the cloud is just someone else's computer!)
It's accurate. All our "cloud" storage and VPSes have to exist in somebody's data center somewhere.
Thank you that's really interesting, it sounds like RAM is key and nice
to know an i3 is enough. I'm picking there's a some rule of thumb to allocate ram for each instance and for the main machine itself to use.
What emulator or virtual server software are you using? My 64bit
machine is a powerhouse I am sure it could handle what you are doing... Thank you for your help..
Nitro
In my opinion not really a rule, I originally had 2 gigs per VM and the rest was left for the host, now since I am running so much inside of the BBS VM all the instances of Mystic plus Apache Web Server I decided to give it 4gigs, so that one has 4, the 2nd one has 2, and the rest goes
to the host. I think what I really need to look into is breaking up the processor cores, that is something I need to read up on...
I want to run it on VMWare Workstation but am using Virtual Box, I'm
just to lazy to make the changeover.. LOL
I'm assuming you are running ESXi, if so, then you can assign "slices"
of the core and prioritize their usage. It's quite easy. I manage a
fairly large VMWare cluster so if you need a hand, just let me know.
I really should read till the end, lol. Ignore my VMWare ESX suggestion.
hand machine that would allow me to install win 32 bit.. So are you
saying that I can run gamesrvr on my current win 64 bit and run the classics like LORD etc?
I am curious about your post because although I bought a brand new NUC
for my bbs I was forced to run windows 64 bit and therefor forgoing
doors at least the classic ones. So today I was going to buy a second hand machine that would allow me to install win 32 bit.. So are you
saying that I can run gamesrvr on my current win 64 bit and run the classics like LORD etc?
That would be awesome!
Regards,
Rick
I am curious about your post because although I bought a brand new
NUC for my bbs I was forced to run windows 64 bit and therefor
forgoing doors at least the classic ones.
I don't know the details since I don't run Windows but Mike Ehlert, the NetFoss author is working on a 64bit netfoss.dll. Using that along with another 3rd party NTVDM makes it possible to run 16bit dos doors on 64bit windows.
I am curious about your post because although I bought a brand new NUC
for my bbs I was forced to run windows 64 bit and therefor forgoing
doors at least the classic ones. So today I was going to buy a second hand machine that would allow me to install win 32 bit.. So are you
saying that I can run gamesrvr on my current win 64 bit and run the
That would be GREAT! I would love to be able to use NetFoss 64...
I don't know the details since I don't run Windows but Mike Ehlert, the NetFoss author is working on a 64bit netfoss.dll. Using that along with another 3rd party NTVDM makes it possible to run 16bit dos doors on 64bit windows.
There is a beta on the netfoss webpage http://pcmicro.com/netfoss
There is also a link to NTVDMx64 that will also be needed.
Al
greetings,
I am curious about your post because although I bought a brand new NUC
for my bbs I was forced to run windows 64 bit and therefor forgoing
doors at least the classic ones. So today I was going to buy a second
hand machine that would allow me to install win 32 bit.. So are you
saying that I can run gamesrvr on my current win 64 bit and run the classics like LORD etc?
That would be awesome!
Regards,
Rick
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Al, I tried to Download the NTVDMx64 file but it's a dead link...
or I can't get there somehow.
another link to where that file is?
http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/ntvdmx64.7z
There is also a project page here with more info here.. https://github.com/leecher1337/ntvdmx64
I don't know the details since I don't run Windows but Mike Ehlert, the NetFoss author is working on a 64bit netfoss.dll. Using that along with another 3rd party NTVDM makes it possible to run 16bit dos doors on 64b windows.
I'm waiting for this to all be stable so I can move everything off
32-bit Windows.
Also, just found out that Synchronet, pretty much out of the box, can essentially be turned into a game server. There's a file /sbbs/ctrl/modopts.ini that has a switch in it to enable door server like behavior that uses RLogin.
This site has more info and scripts on how users can then go straight to
Unless I'm mistaken, NTVDMx64 is a pretty gnarly hack that gets crushed
by defender a lot. I don't think it's something I'd rely on having
access to forever.
What might make more sense is using dosemu in WSL2 - I've tested some dos doors that way myself and they seem to work fine.
I read what they had on there page and it still looks like you have
to a VM? it says on 64bit system requirements a guest os that is 32
bit required, or am I reading that wrong?
This is how I am running my new Door Server, using Synchro as a base.. Works great.. Synchro is very easy to install doors on also. I have
about 50 installed so far, my main reason for it is to share the doors between my Mystic board and my C-Net Amiga board.. I was running GameSvr and it is a really good program but wasn't as simple as Synchro to get
the doors installed on.. THen again that is me! Others may find it even easier..
I do believe they've addressed a lot of the things that were causing Defender to constantly think its a virus/malware in the later builds.
But I don't know if there are precompiled versions of the latest code or not.
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