Has anyone here looked at, or purchased, a one up rpi laptop? I've
read a few reviews of it and, while it appears to be a solid product,
I'm a bit turned off by the cooling fan next to the heat sync. Is that
fan absolutely necessary for users never intending on overclocking the
cpu? The laptop currently in use has an Intel Pentium N3540 and is
typically idle because the majority of work is on a pi3b+ via
ssh. Looking to replace it. The CPU is typically idle and memory
utiliation is roughly ten percent.

One attractive feature that attracted me to the platform is fanless
operation. And considering the age of the platform, I am new at
this. The decision to transition to pi computing has been the biggest
and best decision I've made since early adult years. I'd like a pi
laptop but would like a fanless operation at the same time.

What say you all?

D


--- PyGate Linux v1.5
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On 20/10/2025 00:13, Daniel wrote:

I'm a bit turned off by the cooling fan next to the heat sync. Is that
fan absolutely necessary for users never intending on overclocking the
cpu?

I don't know.

The production laptop isn't expected to be available until late
November/early December, so nobody really knows how well the cooling
solution will work in practice.

... but if I had to guess ...

It uses a Raspberry Pi Compute Module 5, in a fairly confined space, so
not much natural airflow. The general consensus of opinion is that a CM5
does need a fan unless its workload is trivial. I expect the laptop's
fan won't come on until the temperature passes some threshhold (I have
an Argon One case for a Pi4, and that has a fan that works in this way)
but I would expect it to be necessary when the machine is under load.

--
Cheers,
Daniel.

--- PyGate Linux v1.5
* Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)

On 10/20/25 00:13, Daniel wrote:

Has anyone here looked at, or purchased, a one up rpi laptop? I've
read a few reviews of it and, while it appears to be a solid product,
I'm a bit turned off by the cooling fan next to the heat sync. Is that
fan absolutely necessary for users never intending on overclocking the
cpu? The laptop currently in use has an Intel Pentium N3540 and is
typically idle because the majority of work is on a pi3b+ via
ssh. Looking to replace it. The CPU is typically idle and memory
utiliation is roughly ten percent.

One attractive feature that attracted me to the platform is fanless operation. And considering the age of the platform, I am new at
this. The decision to transition to pi computing has been the biggest
and best decision I've made since early adult years. I'd like a pi
laptop but would like a fanless operation at the same time.

Just because it has a fan, doesn't mean it will be on all the time. I
have an rPI5 with an Active Cooler. The fan only comes on during hot
days (maybe ambient > 22C) and high CPU. Presumably the laptop compute
module CPU is similar.


However, it looks a bit pricey, I would get a second hand laptop, instead.


--- PyGate Linux v1.5
* Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)

Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> writes:

Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> writes:

On 20/10/2025 00:13, Daniel wrote:

I'm a bit turned off by the cooling fan next to the heat sync. Is that
fan absolutely necessary for users never intending on overclocking the
cpu?

I don't know.

The production laptop isn't expected to be available until late
November/early December, so nobody really knows how well the cooling
solution will work in practice.

... but if I had to guess ...

It uses a Raspberry Pi Compute Module 5, in a fairly confined space,
so not much natural airflow. The general consensus of opinion is that
a CM5 does need a fan unless its workload is trivial. I expect the
laptop's fan won't come on until the temperature passes some
threshhold (I have an Argon One case for a Pi4, and that has a fan
that works in this way) but I would expect it to be necessary when the
machine is under load.

Thanks. I will wait until the device has hit the wild and await
reviews. I saw reviews already but it was tech youtubers who got a preproduction model.

I'd be interested in the keyboard quality. Can't be worse than the
pi400's.

The argon 40 studio put up a youtube prototyping vid of the build. Nice
rig.

https://da.gd/4QK0N

If you dont trust shortened url's, check youtube for

Behind the Build: Prototyping the Argon ONE UP

D

--- PyGate Linux v1.5
* Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)

On 20/10/2025 16:24, Daniel wrote:

Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> writes:

Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> writes:

On 20/10/2025 00:13, Daniel wrote:

I'm a bit turned off by the cooling fan next to the heat sync. Is that >>>> fan absolutely necessary for users never intending on overclocking the >>>> cpu?

I don't know.

The production laptop isn't expected to be available until late
November/early December, so nobody really knows how well the cooling
solution will work in practice.

... but if I had to guess ...

It uses a Raspberry Pi Compute Module 5, in a fairly confined space,
so not much natural airflow. The general consensus of opinion is that
a CM5 does need a fan unless its workload is trivial. I expect the
laptop's fan won't come on until the temperature passes some
threshhold (I have an Argon One case for a Pi4, and that has a fan
that works in this way) but I would expect it to be necessary when the
machine is under load.

Thanks. I will wait until the device has hit the wild and await
reviews. I saw reviews already but it was tech youtubers who got a
preproduction model.

I'd be interested in the keyboard quality. Can't be worse than the
pi400's.

The argon 40 studio put up a youtube prototyping vid of the build. Nice
rig.

https://da.gd/4QK0N

If you dont trust shortened url's, check youtube for

Behind the Build: Prototyping the Argon ONE UP

D

I wouldn't trust anything from Argon40 again

--
Chris

--- PyGate Linux v1.5
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On 10/20/25 16:24, Daniel wrote:

Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> writes:

Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> writes:

On 20/10/2025 00:13, Daniel wrote:

I'm a bit turned off by the cooling fan next to the heat sync. Is that >>>> fan absolutely necessary for users never intending on overclocking the >>>> cpu?

I don't know.

The production laptop isn't expected to be available until late
November/early December, so nobody really knows how well the cooling
solution will work in practice.

... but if I had to guess ...

It uses a Raspberry Pi Compute Module 5, in a fairly confined space,
so not much natural airflow. The general consensus of opinion is that
a CM5 does need a fan unless its workload is trivial. I expect the
laptop's fan won't come on until the temperature passes some
threshhold (I have an Argon One case for a Pi4, and that has a fan
that works in this way) but I would expect it to be necessary when the
machine is under load.

Thanks. I will wait until the device has hit the wild and await
reviews. I saw reviews already but it was tech youtubers who got a
preproduction model.

I'd be interested in the keyboard quality. Can't be worse than the
pi400's.

The argon 40 studio put up a youtube prototyping vid of the build. Nice
rig.

https://da.gd/4QK0N

If you dont trust shortened url's, check youtube for

Behind the Build: Prototyping the Argon ONE UP

D

Thx, It looks as if they don't have a heat sync on the compute module. I
would have thought it made sense to use the aluminium case as a heat
sync rather than have a fan.

Any ideas why they would design it like that?

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* Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)

Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> writes:

On 10/20/25 16:24, Daniel wrote:

Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> writes:

Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> writes:

On 20/10/2025 00:13, Daniel wrote:

I'm a bit turned off by the cooling fan next to the heat sync. Is that >>>>> fan absolutely necessary for users never intending on overclocking the >>>>> cpu?

I don't know.

The production laptop isn't expected to be available until late
November/early December, so nobody really knows how well the cooling
solution will work in practice.

... but if I had to guess ...

It uses a Raspberry Pi Compute Module 5, in a fairly confined space,
so not much natural airflow. The general consensus of opinion is that
a CM5 does need a fan unless its workload is trivial. I expect the
laptop's fan won't come on until the temperature passes some
threshhold (I have an Argon One case for a Pi4, and that has a fan
that works in this way) but I would expect it to be necessary when the >>>> machine is under load.

Thanks. I will wait until the device has hit the wild and await
reviews. I saw reviews already but it was tech youtubers who got a
preproduction model.

I'd be interested in the keyboard quality. Can't be worse than the
pi400's.

The argon 40 studio put up a youtube prototyping vid of the
build. Nice
rig.
https://da.gd/4QK0N
If you dont trust shortened url's, check youtube for
Behind the Build: Prototyping the Argon ONE UP
D

Thx, It looks as if they don't have a heat sync on the compute
module. I would have thought it made sense to use the aluminium case
as a heat sync rather than have a fan.

Any ideas why they would design it like that?

The rectangular plate screwing into the bottom of the laptop serves as a
heat sync. IIRC, it's a different alloy than the aluminum case. I wish
they just made a larger plate and avoid the fan altogether, but that's
just me.

Nothing out there makes me fully happy.

--- PyGate Linux v1.5
* Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)

On 20/10/2025 21:29, Daniel wrote:

Chris Townley <news@cct-net.co.uk> writes:

On 20/10/2025 16:24, Daniel wrote:

Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> writes:

Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> writes:

On 20/10/2025 00:13, Daniel wrote:

I'm a bit turned off by the cooling fan next to the heat sync. Is that >>>>>> fan absolutely necessary for users never intending on overclocking the >>>>>> cpu?

I don't know.

The production laptop isn't expected to be available until late
November/early December, so nobody really knows how well the cooling >>>>> solution will work in practice.

... but if I had to guess ...

It uses a Raspberry Pi Compute Module 5, in a fairly confined space, >>>>> so not much natural airflow. The general consensus of opinion is that >>>>> a CM5 does need a fan unless its workload is trivial. I expect the
laptop's fan won't come on until the temperature passes some
threshhold (I have an Argon One case for a Pi4, and that has a fan
that works in this way) but I would expect it to be necessary when the >>>>> machine is under load.

Thanks. I will wait until the device has hit the wild and await
reviews. I saw reviews already but it was tech youtubers who got a
preproduction model.

I'd be interested in the keyboard quality. Can't be worse than the
pi400's.

The argon 40 studio put up a youtube prototyping vid of the
build. Nice
rig.
https://da.gd/4QK0N
If you dont trust shortened url's, check youtube for
Behind the Build: Prototyping the Argon ONE UP
D

I wouldn't trust anything from Argon40 again

What happened, if you don't mind my asking?

I had an Argon One for a Pi4 - great, then when I bought a Pi5 I got
their V3 plus the NVME connector.

In principle it is great, but their software install is a pile of
spaghetti shell script, and doesn?t really work, although I found an alternative that did.

However their design is flawed, as it uses it's own board that filters
out a lot of checks. Their support forum is carp - they just don't
respond to anything.

I did get it working, but enough grief for me!

--
Chris

--- PyGate Linux v1.5
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Chris Townley <news@cct-net.co.uk> writes:

On 20/10/2025 16:24, Daniel wrote:

Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> writes:

Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> writes:

On 20/10/2025 00:13, Daniel wrote:

I'm a bit turned off by the cooling fan next to the heat sync. Is that >>>>> fan absolutely necessary for users never intending on overclocking the >>>>> cpu?

I don't know.

The production laptop isn't expected to be available until late
November/early December, so nobody really knows how well the cooling
solution will work in practice.

... but if I had to guess ...

It uses a Raspberry Pi Compute Module 5, in a fairly confined space,
so not much natural airflow. The general consensus of opinion is that
a CM5 does need a fan unless its workload is trivial. I expect the
laptop's fan won't come on until the temperature passes some
threshhold (I have an Argon One case for a Pi4, and that has a fan
that works in this way) but I would expect it to be necessary when the >>>> machine is under load.

Thanks. I will wait until the device has hit the wild and await
reviews. I saw reviews already but it was tech youtubers who got a
preproduction model.

I'd be interested in the keyboard quality. Can't be worse than the
pi400's.

The argon 40 studio put up a youtube prototyping vid of the
build. Nice
rig.
https://da.gd/4QK0N
If you dont trust shortened url's, check youtube for
Behind the Build: Prototyping the Argon ONE UP
D

I wouldn't trust anything from Argon40 again

What happened, if you don't mind my asking?

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On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 08:24:12 -0700, Daniel wrote:

The argon 40 studio put up a youtube prototyping vid of the build. Nice
rig.

https://da.gd/4QK0N

If you dont trust shortened url's ...

Why not just post a proper link:

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op05N_-esY0>

--- PyGate Linux v1.5
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On 20/10/2025 at 21:29, Daniel wrote:

Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> writes:

On 10/20/25 16:24, Daniel wrote:

Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> writes:

Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> writes:

On 20/10/2025 00:13, Daniel wrote:

I'm a bit turned off by the cooling fan next to the heat sync. Is that >>>>>> fan absolutely necessary for users never intending on overclocking the >>>>>> cpu?

I don't know.

The production laptop isn't expected to be available until late
November/early December, so nobody really knows how well the cooling >>>>> solution will work in practice.

... but if I had to guess ...

It uses a Raspberry Pi Compute Module 5, in a fairly confined space, >>>>> so not much natural airflow. The general consensus of opinion is that >>>>> a CM5 does need a fan unless its workload is trivial. I expect the
laptop's fan won't come on until the temperature passes some
threshhold (I have an Argon One case for a Pi4, and that has a fan
that works in this way) but I would expect it to be necessary when the >>>>> machine is under load.

Thanks. I will wait until the device has hit the wild and await
reviews. I saw reviews already but it was tech youtubers who got a
preproduction model.

I'd be interested in the keyboard quality. Can't be worse than the
pi400's.

The argon 40 studio put up a youtube prototyping vid of the
build. Nice
rig.
https://da.gd/4QK0N
If you dont trust shortened url's, check youtube for
Behind the Build: Prototyping the Argon ONE UP
D

Thx, It looks as if they don't have a heat sync on the compute
module. I would have thought it made sense to use the aluminium case
as a heat sync rather than have a fan.

Any ideas why they would design it like that?

The rectangular plate screwing into the bottom of the laptop serves as a
heat sync. IIRC, it's a different alloy than the aluminum case. I wish

This thread has been annoying me. It's 'heat sink'; sync is short for synchronise.

they just made a larger plate and avoid the fan altogether, but that's
just me.

Nothing out there makes me fully happy.

--
Chris Elvidge, England


--- PyGate Linux v1.5
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Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> wrote:

Has anyone here looked at, or purchased, a one up rpi laptop? I've
read a few reviews of it and, while it appears to be a solid product,
I'm a bit turned off by the cooling fan next to the heat sync. Is that
fan absolutely necessary for users never intending on overclocking the
cpu? The laptop currently in use has an Intel Pentium N3540 and is
typically idle because the majority of work is on a pi3b+ via
ssh. Looking to replace it. The CPU is typically idle and memory
utiliation is roughly ten percent.

One attractive feature that attracted me to the platform is fanless operation. And considering the age of the platform, I am new at
this. The decision to transition to pi computing has been the biggest
and best decision I've made since early adult years. I'd like a pi
laptop but would like a fanless operation at the same time.

IMHO the Pi will always be compromised as a mobile platform until they sort
out proper power management in the SoC. You really want to be able to send
it to sleep, hibernate, power down different components, etc, but the
silicon is not designed for this. Result is that you can make a laptop but it's always going to be eating some power while the lid is closed.

It's maybe fine if you are going to keep it plugged in all the time or use
it for short periods away from a wall socket, but the simple thing of
folding up the laptop in the evening and picking it up in the morning gets really annoying if the battery has gone flat overnight and you need to
restart everything. If you're the kind of person who boots the machine fresh every morning like a desktop PC maybe this doesn't bother you, but that's
not what people typically do with laptops.

Theo

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On 10/21/25 12:29, Chris Elvidge wrote:

This thread has been annoying me. It's 'heat sink'; sync is short for synchronise.

Sorry my fault, I did notice my mistake, but I generally don't correct
unless the meaning is unclear.



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On 21/10/2025 13:57, druck wrote:

On 20/10/2025 22:52, Chris Townley wrote:

On 20/10/2025 21:29, Daniel wrote:

Chris Townley <news@cct-net.co.uk> writes:

I wouldn't trust anything from Argon40 again

What happened, if you don't mind my asking?

I had an Argon One for a Pi4 - great, then when I bought a Pi5 I got
their V3 plus the NVME connector.

In principle it is great, but their software install is a pile of
spaghetti shell script, and doesn?t really work, although I found an
alternative that did.

However their design is flawed, as it uses it's own board that filters
out a lot of checks. Their support forum is carp - they just don't
respond to anything.

I did get it working, but enough grief for me!

I didn't find any of that with the Argon One V5 for the Pi 5, maybe
because that has a less complex PCIe to NVNe interface. The software
install was very straight forward and it worked right out of the box.

The full size HDMIs are very useful as are the front USB ports, and I've
got the optional OLED screen as it looks nice. It's also by far the
coolest running of my Pi 5's, with its large thermal mass the fan is
hardly ever on, even though it is sitting on top of a hot D6000 Display
Link box (almost identically sized) for my laptop.

I've also got another Pi 5 in very neat and snaller Argon Neo NVMe case. That does run a bit hotter than a Pi with the official cooler, but it is
in a semi enclosed area with other AV equipment, but again that just
works great.

I bought both cases from The Pi Hut, and I'd recommend using them for
any support issues, rather than the Argon website, particular as it's
forum seems to have been taken over by spammers last year.

---druck

Thanks, I do use Pi Hut, and they are excellent

However I believe the ONE V3 is flawed in the way that everything is
sealed in, and it overrides the Pi5 power management. Obviously opinions
vary!


--
Chris

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Lawrence D?Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:

On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 08:24:12 -0700, Daniel wrote:

The argon 40 studio put up a youtube prototyping vid of the build. Nice
rig.

https://da.gd/4QK0N

If you dont trust shortened url's ...

Why not just post a proper link:

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op05N_-esY0>

Because I have you. :)

D

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On 20/10/2025 00:13, Daniel wrote:

Has anyone here looked at, or purchased, a one up rpi laptop? I've
read a few reviews of it and, while it appears to be a solid product,
I'm a bit turned off by the cooling fan next to the heat sync. Is that
fan absolutely necessary for users never intending on overclocking the
cpu?

I have now received my Argon One Up and had the chance to play with it a
bit.

The CM5 has a thermal pad to connect it to the metal cover that acts as
a heatsink, but the cover doesn't get more than slightly warm in
operation. The fan does not come on in normal use, but I should stress
that I haven't exactly thrashed the CPU -- I'm not overclocking and I
haven't tried any heavily compute-intensive tasks.

The CM5 does not support a power-saving mode, so closing the lid can't
put it into a sleep state. When the lid is closed the display is blanked
and there is an option to power down after a few minutes (default 5).
That's not idea if you're used to carrying a laptop around in sleep
state for rapid restart (I'm not: I always power down for security
reasons, so it doesn't bother me).

All in all it's a well-made unit. The screen is nice (and bright) and
the keyboard is not awful. The touchpad is also not awful, I've used
better but I've also used much worse.

One gripe is that the SSD bay has screw holes for retaining an 2280,
2260, or 2242 M.2 SSD, but not 2230 (so guess which size I wanted to
fit). 2230 will work, but without a retaining screw it could work loose.

I thought, at first, that my webcam was broken, but I discovered that
there is a (tiny) slider that puts it into "privacy mode"; with that in
the correct position it works nicely.

One quirk I haven't solved yet is that a USB mouse is recognized and
works correctly if plugged in after booting, but if it is connected
before startup it is not recognized. I have also not yet managed to boot
from an SD card (USB stick is fine) but I have only tried one card and
there may be an issue with its contents. Reading/writing the SD card
after booting from SSD works fine.

I'm not sure that the One Up is very good value with the current crazy
prices for Raspberry Pi kit with high RAM capacity and for SSDs (it was
good at the kickstarter price) ... but I suppose other laptops will
suffer similar price-hikes, too.

--
Cheers,
Daniel.

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Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> writes:

On 20/10/2025 00:13, Daniel wrote:

Has anyone here looked at, or purchased, a one up rpi laptop? I've
read a few reviews of it and, while it appears to be a solid product,
I'm a bit turned off by the cooling fan next to the heat sync. Is that
fan absolutely necessary for users never intending on overclocking the
cpu?

I have now received my Argon One Up and had the chance to play with it
a bit.

The CM5 has a thermal pad to connect it to the metal cover that acts
as a heatsink, but the cover doesn't get more than slightly warm in operation. The fan does not come on in normal use, but I should stress
that I haven't exactly thrashed the CPU -- I'm not overclocking and I
haven't tried any heavily compute-intensive tasks.

Is the fan removable?

The CM5 does not support a power-saving mode, so closing the lid can't
put it into a sleep state. When the lid is closed the display is
blanked and there is an option to power down after a few minutes
(default 5). That's not idea if you're used to carrying a laptop
around in sleep state for rapid restart (I'm not: I always power down
for security reasons, so it doesn't bother me).

All in all it's a well-made unit. The screen is nice (and bright) and
the keyboard is not awful. The touchpad is also not awful, I've used
better but I've also used much worse.

One gripe is that the SSD bay has screw holes for retaining an 2280,
2260, or 2242 M.2 SSD, but not 2230 (so guess which size I wanted to
fit). 2230 will work, but without a retaining screw it could work
loose.

I thought, at first, that my webcam was broken, but I discovered that
there is a (tiny) slider that puts it into "privacy mode"; with that
in the correct position it works nicely.

My previously new laptop (now my wife's) has that slider built in. On
previous laptops I would use the self adhesive plastic slider cam covers
that vendors give out at symposiums. Got a pile of them. I was delighted
to see laptops including them by design.

One quirk I haven't solved yet is that a USB mouse is recognized and
works correctly if plugged in after booting, but if it is connected
before startup it is not recognized. I have also not yet managed to
boot from an SD card (USB stick is fine) but I have only tried one
card and there may be an issue with its contents. Reading/writing the
SD card after booting from SSD works fine.

I'm not sure that the One Up is very good value with the current crazy
prices for Raspberry Pi kit with high RAM capacity and for SSDs (it
was good at the kickstarter price) ... but I suppose other laptops
will suffer similar price-hikes, too.

Pi500+ is $260 now. I don't dare look at what the one-up cost is.

Daniel
sysop | air & wave bbs
finger | calcmandan@bbs.erb.pw

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On 17/02/2026 23:02, Daniel wrote:

Is the fan removable?

Probably ... Jeff Geerling has done a fairly good review that includes a
photo of the One Up with the bottom half of the case removed. It looks
as though the fan should be removable ... or at least you could cut the
wires.

https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2026/the-first-good-raspberry-pi-laptop/

He doesn't specifically mention removing the fan.

I thought, at first, that my webcam was broken, but I discovered that
there is a (tiny) slider that puts it into "privacy mode"; with that
in the correct position it works nicely.

My previously new laptop (now my wife's) has that slider built in. On previous laptops I would use the self adhesive plastic slider cam covers
that vendors give out at symposiums. Got a pile of them. I was delighted
to see laptops including them by design.

There is a small white LED to the right of the camera that warns you
that it is on. The LED comes on even when the shutter is closed, which
led me to think the camera ought to be working, even though the shutter
meant there was no image.

It would be really nice if that LED changed colour -- say red when the
shutter is closed and green when it is open (and off when the camera is
off, of course).

Pi500+ is $260 now. I don't dare look at what the one-up cost is.

The 500+ is £228 (including 20% VAT) here. The CM5 (no flash, 8GB RAM,
With WiFi, as in my One Up) is £108.

The cost of the One Up shell (without the CM5 or SSD) should not be
affected much by the current silly memory prices. It isn't in stock
anywhere that I can see, though.

--
Cheers,
Daniel.

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