The US national debt has exceeded 40 trillion dollars for the first time. 40,000 billion dollars. It is accelerating, and all brakes are off for the Trump administration. Four years ago, the Republican narrative was very different. Back then, the budget had to be balanced, no matter what. Now, that is no longer an issue at all. That is how it always goes with the Republicans. Very monetarily conservative when they are in opposition, and going completely wild when they are in government.

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The US national debt has exceeded 40 trillion dollars for the first time.

12 trillion from 45 and 47 alone ...

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On 22 Aug 2026, Ward Dossche said the following...

12 trillion from 45 and 47 alone ...

Almost all done in 46

it went from 7.8 trillion to 19.9

Biden
During Joe Biden's term from January 2021 to January 2025, the U.S. national debt increased by approximately $8.4 trillion, growing from about $27.75 trillion to roughly $36.2 trillion, representing a total increase of about 30.5%. <---- look at that!!!

Trump again, term 2

The U.S. national debt was approximately $36.2 trillion when Donald Trump took office in January 2025 and has since increased by roughly $3.8 trillion

There was/is a difference between Joe and Trump though, the size of the economy.

Trump wants to balance the budget and have the economy grow faster than the debt... and he's on target for that.

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During Joe Biden's term from January 2021 to January 2025, the U.S. national debt increased by approximately $8.4 trillion, growing from
about $27.75 trillion to roughly $36.2 trillion, representing a total increase of about 30.5%. <---- look at that!!!

And all a result from policies instituted during 45 ...

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On 23 Aug 2026, Ward Dossche said the following...

During Joe Biden's term from January 2021 to January 2025, the U.S. national debt increased by approximately $8.4 trillion, growing from about $27.75 trillion to roughly $36.2 trillion, representing a total increase of about 30.5%. <---- look at that!!!

And all a result from policies instituted during 45 ...

I Googled that... The US debt climbed the most it ever had under Joe Biden. What you see above is a direct quote from Google.

Now, we still have debt but the first time in decades and decades are economy is growing faster than the debt.

So, before long we might be looking at a huge economy that is focused on the American citizen and the government spending is focused on the citizen and not the world governments.

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I Googled that... The US debt climbed the most it ever had under Joe
Biden. What you see above is a direct quote from Google.

That's kicking in an open door ... it's common knowledge that a main factor was the consequences of the pandemic and efforts that needed to be made to get the country going again. You'll see similar graphs when expertly looking at other countries so it's not a Biden-thing ... it just happened during his watch and would have happened to any US President.

Now, we still have debt but the first time in decades and decades are economy is growing faster than the debt.

Seriously sir, you must be joking. Great humor.

So, before long we might be looking at a huge economy that is focused on the American citizen and the government spending is focused on the
citizen and not the world governments.

What is happening is the US sawing-off the branch on which it is sitting. It's getting the door in its face with Canada, it gets slammed in Greenland, it gets laughed-at in Europe. Everybody is moving away from trade deals with the USA because they are not signed with a pen, not even an autopen, but with a regular Walmart pencil. What is a way to go today, changes tomorrow, stability in trade is gone. The US have become an unreliable trading partner in less than 20 months. "America First" will collapse, simple because there is too much outside of the USA which your economy needs and isn't getting ... look at the Ukrainian rare-earth minerals ... pfwoof ... gone.

But what is truly remarkable is that a majority of folks overthere don't understand that it is not the trading partner paying the tariffs, but the end-consumer in the USA ... "Great President, he's protecting the US economy" ... yeah, right ... only dummies believe that. Not because they think it is true, simply because they believe to think the way they were told to think. There's a difference between 'believing' and 'knowing'.

Also the relationship to NATO ... if it is so bothersome, then just pull out, NATO will not collapse, The US aren't even the greatest contributor (Germany is). We'll just wait for the next decent administration and the US application to rejoin ... just like the majority opinion in Britain is now geared towards rejoining the EU.

The future, Joe, does not lie in isolationism, that never benefits the people ... just a handfull of individuals, capitalists enriching themselves. It's universal, happens everywhere.

I could go on, but the sun is out.

Take care,

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On 24 Aug 2026, Ward Dossche said the following...

That's kicking in an open door ... it's common knowledge that a main factor was the consequences of the pandemic and efforts that needed to
be made to get the country going again. You'll see similar graphs when expertly looking at other countries so it's not a Biden-thing ... it
just happened during his watch and would have happened to any US President.

What you just said is not true. It was a Biden thing. The US runs a little different... Though there are 50 states in the United States they are almost like 50 different countries doing their own thing... kinda.

Florida did not shutdown the state, all businesses open, and they didn't mandate the population to take the vaccine. The state of Florida thrived and is still doing well... Current governor wants co have people not pay property taxes on their primary residence. People died, yes there was a virus going around... but state is thriving and will continue to do this with great governance.

California shut everything down and and mandated the vaccine... and people died and everything related to the shutdown.

California once use to be the 5th largest economy... now they struggle.

Better management might help them, but COVID was a hoax and all they wanted to do is get people worked up enough to get rid of Trump.

I guess it worked, but Trump is back with a vengeance making America Great and in doing so he's not funding a bunch of things in Europe.

Now, we still have debt but the first time in decades and decades are economy is growing faster than the debt.

Seriously sir, you must be joking. Great humor.

What I said was true. Trump has said several times over the last 18 months or so that he is focused on growing the economy more than he is focused on the debt. He has said this several times...

he's an example to help you better understand his logic... If you make 50K a year and you bought a new house for 1 million dollars you might have a hard time making the payments.

NOW, lets say you make 85 billion a year and you have a 1 million dollar house you might not care about the payments that much. BECAUSE you make more.

Its not my fault that I used fact that can be fact checked... 1st time in decades the economy is growing faster than the debt.

What is happening is the US sawing-off the branch on which it is
sitting. It's getting the door in its face with Canada, it gets slammed
in Greenland, it gets laughed-at in Europe. Everybody is moving away
from trade deals with the USA because they are not signed with a pen,
not even an autopen, but with a regular Walmart pencil. What is a way to go today, changes tomorrow, stability in trade is gone. The US have
become an unreliable trading partner in less than 20 months. "America First" will collapse, simple because there is too much outside of the
USA which your economy needs and isn't getting ... look at the Ukrainian rare-earth minerals ... pfwoof ... gone.
But what is truly remarkable is that a majority of folks overthere don't understand that it is not the trading partner paying the tariffs, but the end-consumer in the USA ... "Great President, he's protecting the US economy" ... yeah, right ... only dummies believe that. Not because they think it is true, simply because they believe to think the way they were told to think. There's a difference between 'believing' and 'knowing'.

Almost 20 TRILLION in investment in less that 20 months, Joe Biden boasted 1 trillion in 4 years.

Tariffs are working... here's an example... If you want to sell cars in the US you have to pay a tariff... Toyota didn't want to pay a tariff so it moved a manufacturing plant from Mexico to the US. There are several companies moving to the US to setup manufacturing to avoid tariffs and employ Americans.

I am Canadian, born and raised, and I'm also an American. I became a citizen later in life.

The country is big and there are differences as you cross it. Alberta, a western province of Canada is looking to hold a referendum to leave Canada... Not because of Trump but rather the idiots back east in Ottawa.

About what Europeans think of America... and we saw their shock when they came for the World Cup... they said it was a lot different and better than what they were told it was going to be like.

About Greenland... Trump wants a military base in the north to protect the west from Russia and China... With the 10s of thousands of Americas who lost their lives defending freedom in Europe and the trillions of money spent defending your freedom in Europe... Just let him build the base and protect your freedoms.

Do something to help yourself.

Also the relationship to NATO ... if it is so bothersome, then just pull out, NATO will not collapse, The US aren't even the greatest contributor (Germany is). We'll just wait for the next decent administration and the US application to rejoin ... just like the majority opinion in Britain
is now geared towards rejoining the EU.

I want the US to pull out of NATO...

Google says on NATO spending

United States: ~$1.03 trillion
Germany: ~$147 billion
United Kingdom: ~$110 billion
France: ~$80 billion
Italy: ~$57 billion
Poland: ~$53 billion
Canada: ~$52 billion

What's that 1.3 TRILLION... and Germany 147 billion...

The future, Joe, does not lie in isolationism, that never benefits the people ... just a handfull of individuals, capitalists enriching themselves. It's universal, happens everywhere.

I could go on, but the sun is out.

Take care,

Trump is not trying to isolate the US from the world... Take a look at the US and Canada. The trade between the 2 countries is/was around ~$343 billion and the US spends ~80% of that and Canada spends the remaining 20%.

That is no fair or even close to being equal... All he's said was simple... you want access to the US let the US have access to the Canadian market.

Canada is what it is because of its relationship it had with the US over the years. Now the US finally has a president standing up for the citizens of the country and he just saying... Lets be fair!!!

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