//Hello Ward,//

on *24.02.22* at *15:48:05* You wrote in Area *FIDONEWS*
to *Lee Lofaso* about *"Re: Ukraine National Anthem"*.

A good dictator doesn't give a shite about bodybags.

Actually, as the quite entertaining guide "How to Become a Tyrant" on Netflix correctly points out, these are required and helpful to keep power.

Regards,
Tim

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//Hello Oleg,//

on *15.03.22* at *16:22:35* You wrote in Area *FIDONEWS*
to *Ward Dossche* about *"Re: Ukraine National Anthem"*.

What, exactly, are we talking about in Russia's war with the West? Where is the neutral, unbiased coverage of the conflict? Or have you not known what was going on since 2004?

Well, 140 nations in the UN essentially decided that what you are spreading here is repeating pure propaganda created to stage a war.

Unlike in russia, in most other countries on the planet it is perfectly legal to have different opinions on that war. Interestingly, we do not see journalists from other countries uncovering "the shocking truth of western lies". Instead we see russias former friends in the west (particularly also left-wing journalists) turning away in disgust. Start thinking!

BTW: yes, like in most other countries (particularly also in russia), there are some nazis in the Ukraine (was that 2% at last election or 0.2%?). But certainly the jewisch comedian leading the state isnt one as are not almost all of the other people living there. *Putin just needed an excuse to slaughter your brothers to take land.*

Currently, millions of refugees from Ukraine are already arriving in western europe. Actually, millions alone in Poland. Why do you think these people dont go to Russia to escape from the nazi massacres?

In case you didnt notice. THE WORLD has turned from russia. Putin has already completely destroyed your countrys future. Your money is now wortless, nobody wants to buy russian goods anymore, you will not get replacement parts for anything high tech (say goodbye to your passenger planes) ...

My advice is go out of the door and think about what changes you probably already see in Russias everday life.

Regards,
Tim

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ä«íα«ú« óαѼÑτ¬á, Tim Schattkowsky.
éδ »¿ß὿ 15.03.22 15:23:

Well, 140 nations in the UN essentially decided that

The UN has "solved", condemned and banned many things, such as the 1948 Arab-Israeli conflict. How was it solved, do you know? Reservations with a 10-meter wall, barbed wire and machine gunners on towers. That was no solution - they took away the fertile land and spit on the 140 nations from a high bell tower.

When journalists from other countries want to cover the "shocking truth about Western lies," they will do so. So far, we haven't even seen that desire - the culprit has already been identified.

I fear the West will start thinking too late for itself. Borrell had the nerve to allow some common sense thoughts, but who would listen to him.

You know very little of the history of Nazism (in Germany in the 1940s). The Jewish clown Zelensky is the embodiment of the rainbow dreams of the organizers of the Nazi movement.

Ukraine was so eager to get into Europe. Dreams are coming true! Romania, the Czech Republic and Poland are already beginning to realize who they have accepted. Wait a little while - all the secret becomes clear, you will know the true face of Western propaganda in Ukraine.

The Western world has never turned its face toward us. It is a mask of hypocrisy. As the master ordered, so you will turn. And bow low for the removal of the mask!

Don't get your hopes up about our national currency.
Think of the fate of your own. As for airplanes - we can't refuse, if you are not aware, there are at least three civil aviation factories in Russia. And we did not fly them to Europe because Europe itself demanded it - so you don't get earaches. On the third day I flew the IL-96, and traditionally I don't accept any other aircraft.

My advice - think about what you plan to achieve with sanctions? We have been living with sanctions for at least 70 years. And we can already see the benefits of them - there is no more export of capital from the country, capital works in Russia. There are no draconian restrictions on the sale of domestic medicines and products to the population. And finally take away McDonald's and Coca-Cola, stop feeding our children with modified GMOs!

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You know very little of the history of Nazism (in Germany in the 1940s). The Jewish clown Zelensky is the embodiment of the rainbow dreams of the organizers of the Nazi movement.

Oh my dear ... I don't think in my Fido-years I've ever seen some make such a fool of himself in public.

Quite entertaining, keep it up.

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Re: Re^2: Ukraine National Anthem
By: Oleg Nazaroff to Tim Schattkowsky on Tue Mar 15 2022 09:28 pm

Oleg,

I have some thoughts and ideas about your statements you made. Here goes...

The UN has "solved", condemned and banned many things, such as the 1948 Arab-Israeli conflict. How was it solved, do you know? Reservations with a 10-meter wall, barbed wire and machine gunners on towers. That was no solution - they took away the fertile land and spit on the 140 nations from a high bell tower.

The UN has never solved anything but created a "good ol' boys" club with countries that are willing to go to war over ridiculous conflicts. When the US invaded Iraq under George W. Bush, some countries came to our aid to support a lie, but would the US risk going to war with Russia if Russia decides to bomb Poland, Czech Republic, or France, I doubt it. The UN and its NATO component were truly designed to piss Russia off and make a case to stave off Russian incurision into the West. Whatever. No one wants to risk anyone going nuclear.

You know very little of the history of Nazism (in Germany in the 1940s). The Jewish clown Zelensky is the embodiment of the rainbow dreams of the organizers of the Nazi movement.

I agree and disagree here. The idea of national socialism versus what Hitler and Eichmann perverted it to become are two completely different ideals. Zelensky is trying to do the right thing but I feel that he is taking the wrong approach.

Ukraine was so eager to get into Europe. Dreams are coming true! Romania, the Czech Republic and Poland are already beginning to realize who they have accepted. Wait a little while - all the secret becomes clear, you will know the true face of Western propaganda in Ukraine.

Oh, without a doubt. Joining the EU and becoming "part of Europe" will solve nothing for Ukraine. Ukraine needs to become truly independant before it starts down a sketchy path that could create more problems for them than it is worth.

The Western world has never turned its face toward us. It is a mask of hypocrisy. As the master ordered, so you will turn. And bow low for the removal of the mask!

Russia will always be the USSR in the eyes of the West. The West will never look beyond a cloud of their own making through the propaganda spewed during the Cold War and, with the population living longer, those ideals won't die until that population finally dies off (both those in the West and in Russia). Children born in the 90s and 2000s+ see a different world, are more knowledgable, and research. Until the world rids itself of the Bidens, Putins, Trumps, etc., it will remain the "same ol' same ol'".

My advice - think about what you plan to achieve with sanctions? We have been living with sanctions for at least 70 years. And we can already see the benefits of them - there is no more export of capital from the country, capital works in Russia. There are no draconian restrictions on the sale of domestic medicines and products to the population. And finally take away McDonald's and Coca-Cola, stop feeding our children with modified GMOs!

I'm not saying Socialism is good nor am I saying it is bad. The idea that your country should provide for itself, take care of itself, and tend to its own matters, is socialism through and through. Although Communism was a perversion of Socialism, Russia could chart its own course and remove itself, once again, from the world stage and become relatively self-sufficient.

Oh, and I completely agree about getting rid of McDonald's and Coca-Cola. :)

My best to you!

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The UN has never solved anything but created a "good ol' boys" club with
countries that are willing to go to war over ridiculous conflicts. When the U >invaded Iraq under George W. Bush, some countries came to our aid to support a
lie, but would the US risk going to war with Russia if Russia decides to bomb Poland, Czech Republic, or France, I doubt it. The UN and its NATO component were truly designed to piss Russia off and make a case to stave off Russian incurision into the West. Whatever. No one wants to risk anyone going nuclear.

Do you understand what NATO is or what they do?

NATO will be involved in a war with Russia if they bomb Poland or any NATO country. They have made this clear. In plain english.

Rant on.

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As for airplanes - we can't refuse, if you
are not aware, there are at least three civil aviation factories in
Russia. And we did not fly them to Europe because Europe itself demanded
it - so you don't get earaches. On the third day I flew the IL-96, and traditionally I don't accept any other aircraft.

Based on the fact that a grand total of 29 IL-96s were built of all 4 variants of which only 14 survive (3 of which are in Cuba and 3 are in government service) I expect you don't fly much. Such a low production run in the free world is called "a failure". There simply is no market for that airplane, too noisy and too expensive to operate.

The Sukhoi 100 Superjet was promising, a few mishaps occured until that fiery accident which was fully captured at Sheremetyevo airport, that sealed the international potential of that type:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_DT8dDIugQ

Brussels Airlines operated several of them and retired that whole fleet because Sukhoi could not provide spare parts.

My daughter flew Aeroflot both medium-haul and long-haul and the only airplanes she ever was on from Brussels in and out of Moscow en route to the far east were Airbus-320 and Boeing-777.

There just is no international market for those Russian civilian aircraft and Russian airlines will only fly them when they are forced to by the government ... they're too expensive to purchase, too expensive to operate, too noisy and bad customer service by Ilyushin, Tupolev and Sukhoi.

As for being asked not to fly to European airports, that is not entirely true to use an understatement. Your beloved IL-96 was used for a while on the Moscow to NewYork route but had to stop at Heathrow for re-fueling because it lacked the endurance with a decent load. That aircraft was so noisy that it was penalised every time it departed and had to pay hefty fines up to the point where Aeroflot aquired the Boeing-777 which flies the route non-stop smiling and whistling just to avoid the cost.

It pays to know what you are talking about, but I think you asserted in a very short while how propaganda can poison a person's ability to think ...

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ä«íα«ú« óαѼÑτ¬á, Brian Klauss.
éδ »¿ß὿ 15.03.22 16:17:

The UN has never solved anything but created a "good ol' boys"
club with countries that are willing to go to war over ridiculous conflicts. When the US invaded Iraq under George W. Bush, some
countries came to our aid to support a lie, but would the US risk
going to war with Russia if Russia decides to bomb Poland, Czech Republic, or France, I doubt it. The UN and its NATO component
were truly designed to piss Russia off and make a case to stave
off Russian incurision into the West. Whatever. No one wants to
risk anyone going nuclear.

Do you really think Russians are crazy?
But. If a Polish plane, for example, is attacked, by law we would have to shoot it down and destroy the airfield from which it took off. And NATO knows this very well. Isn't that why the U.S. rejected Poland's offer to give Ukraine old Soviet fighters from an airfield in Germany?

I agree and disagree here. The idea of national socialism versus
what Hitler and Eichmann perverted it to become are two completely different ideals. Zelensky is trying to do the right thing but I
feel that he is taking the wrong approach.

I don't mean National Socialism at all. You don't know either, apparently. Zelensky is not just a clown, he is a controlled clown. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that all of his press conferences after 24.02 were taken down under pressure from several intelligence officers at once ;)

Oh, without a doubt. Joining the EU and becoming "part of Europe"
will solve nothing for Ukraine. Ukraine needs to become truly independant before it starts down a sketchy path that could create
more problems for them than it is worth.

Well, at least in some ways the opinions at least approximately agree.

The Western world has never turned its face toward us. It is a
mask of hypocrisy. As the master ordered, so you will turn. And
bow low for the removal of the mask!

Russia will always be the USSR in the eyes of the West. The West
will never look beyond a cloud of their own making through the
propaganda spewed during the Cold War and, with the population
living longer, those ideals won't die until that population
finally dies off (both those in the West and in Russia). Children
born in the 90s and 2000s+ see a different world, are more
knowledgable, and research. Until the world rids itself of the
Bidens, Putins, Trumps, etc., it will remain the "same ol' same
ol'".

Yes, even for the culture of our traffic within the country should change several generations ;)
That's why even the generation of young people who live in Russia now - perceive the next 50 years "in exile" quite calmly, not to mention those who left the USSR in the era of "stagnation".

I'm not saying Socialism is good nor am I saying it is bad. The
idea that your country should provide for itself, take care of
itself, and tend to its own matters, is socialism through and
through. Although Communism was a perversion of Socialism, Russia
could chart its own course and remove itself, once again, from the
world stage and become relatively self-sufficient.

The socialism of the late USSR preceded the development of "decaying" capitalism by a very long period of time. Communism is only an idea, not an unattainable one.
Nevertheless, there was neither communism nor socialism in Russia before 24.02, but capitalism imposed by the West, in its worst manifestations, with pseudo-liberalism and colonialism (and Russia was a colony). Now everything has been turned upside down, not upside down, but backwards, and thank God for that.

Oh, and I completely agree about getting rid of McDonald's and
Coca-Cola. :)

My friends and colleagues who went to the States in the early 'noughties' sent in their photos after six months of eating fast food. The unfortunate fat guys who couldn't fit through the doors were normal, trim guys before they moved. Later it took them years to regain their body shape.

My best to you!

Same to you in the same place ;)


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ä«íα«ú« óαѼÑτ¬á, Ward Dossche.
éδ »¿ß὿ 15.03.22 21:48:

You know very little of the history of Nazism (in Germany in the
1940s). The Jewish clown Zelensky is the embodiment of the
rainbow dreams of the organizers of the Nazi movement.

Oh my dear ... I don't think in my Fido-years I've ever seen some
make such a fool of himself in public.

It doesn't matter what I look like, it's the other things that are important.

Quite entertaining, keep it up.

By all means


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ä«íα«ú« óαѼÑτ¬á, Ward Dossche.
éδ »¿ß὿ 16.03.22 0:23:

Based on the fact that a grand total of 29 IL-96s were built of
all 4 variants of which only 14 survive (3 of which are in Cuba
and 3 are in government service) I expect you don't fly much. Such
a low production run in the free world is called "a failure".
There simply is no market for that airplane, too noisy and too
expensive to operate.

And don't get your hopes up. You have very outdated data.

The Sukhoi 100 Superjet was promising, a few mishaps occured until
that fiery accident which was fully captured at Sheremetyevo
airport, that sealed the international potential of that type:

Forget the word "international" already, and we'll fly between our peoples ourselves ;) we were able to cope with a much larger population of the USSR.

Brussels Airlines operated several of them and retired that whole
fleet because Sukhoi could not provide spare parts.

Sanctions ;) We knew ;)

My daughter flew Aeroflot both medium-haul and long-haul and the
only airplanes she ever was on from Brussels in and out of Moscow
en route to the far east were Airbus-320 and Boeing-777.

If you exclude the human factor from the causes of plane crashes, Boeing would still be the most unreliable, and Airbus would still be the most sacrificial ;)

There just is no international market for those Russian civilian
aircraft and Russian airlines will only fly them when they are
forced to by the government ... they're too expensive to purchase,
too expensive to operate, too noisy and bad customer service by
Ilyushin, Tupolev and Sukhoi.

Do you really think that the hypocritical face of the West under the mask of a benevolent reliable partner helped the Russian aviation industry to develop? What are you saying, for 30 years we have been told "it's the market, baby. you won't succeed anyway, believe us, we know - BUY our aircraft and no problems!
As far as I remember, Sukhoy was developed from scratch in no more than 5 years.

As for being asked not to fly to European airports, that is not
entirely true to use an understatement. Your beloved IL-96 was
used for a while on the Moscow to NewYork route but had to stop at Heathrow for re-fueling because it lacked the endurance with a
decent load. That aircraft was so noisy that it was penalised
every time it departed and had to pay hefty fines up to the point
where Aeroflot aquired the Boeing-777 which flies the route
non-stop smiling and whistling just to avoid the cost.

To me, Britain is also Europe. The fact that it seceded along with its island is irrelevant to the question.

It pays to know what you are talking about, but I think you
asserted in a very short while how propaganda can poison a
person's ability to think ...

Unfortunately for you, I know what I'm talking about.
But if the word fascism means nothing to you, we are more than aware of our own experience. And I assure you - we will walk, but in the certainty that fascism is just history.




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And don't get your hopes up. You have very outdated data.

My Fido-friend, there are only 14 airworthy IL-96 left out of 29 built. That's a fact ... it was a beautiful design and a commercial disaster, nobody wanted it with Cubana the only foreign company aquiring it because the old USSR paid it for them.

Forget the word "international" already, and we'll fly between our
peoples ourselves ;) we were able to cope with a much larger population
of the USSR.

Sure, go fly ... except the population will not be able to afford it.

If you exclude the human factor from the causes of plane crashes, Boeing would still be the most unreliable, and Airbus would still be the most sacrificial ;)

In that case, move away from it, get rid of them ... send them back to these leasing companies and fly good ol' Ruski stuff ... The only Russian planes which are used extensively in Europe and beyond are Antonovs .... wait, not Russian-made, that's Ukraine ...

As far as I remember, Sukhoy was developed from scratch in no more than 5 years.

Gosh, you're good at proving my point ...

To me, Britain is also Europe. The fact that it seceded along with its island is irrelevant to the question.

Just for the record, Great Brittain "IS" an island.

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ä«íα«ú« óαѼÑτ¬á, Ward Dossche.
éδ »¿ß὿ 16.03.22 10:13:

My Fido-friend, there are only 14 airworthy IL-96 left out of 29
built. That's a fact ... it was a beautiful design and a
commercial disaster, nobody wanted it with Cubana the only foreign company aquiring it because the old USSR paid it for them.

Oh, my goodness... Have you been reading the Soviet newspapers again?
Okay, our propaganda works very well. For the West ;) write more!

In that case, move away from it, get rid of them ... send them
back to these leasing companies and fly good ol' Ruski stuff ...
The only Russian planes which are used extensively in Europe and
beyond are Antonovs .... wait, not Russian-made, that's Ukraine
...

Study history. Antonov is not Ukrainian ;) Real Ukrainian products are halushkas and fakes ;)

Gosh, you're good at proving my point ...

It's an airplane from scratch, has absolutely nothing to do with the military. It's just business. You us falling apart Boeings we also ;)

Just for the record, Great Brittain "IS" an island.

Nope, i'v mean what i'v written.


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