Hi Ben,

As for dessert at home, it's usually fruit or a cookie but sometimes
I'll get ambitious and make a pie or cobbler. Those are usually made for pot lucks tho, and if we have left overs, we'll take them home and
finish.

Potlucks can be weird. I went to one where someone made a classic
pear crisp using home grown pears, and they made it with love. Not

Sounds yummy, makes you wonder why it was ignored.

one other person took any besides me and the baker. I suppose the
others considered it unattractive because it was not what they would normally eat. I asked the baker if i could finish it off, and she
told me i was welcome to have as much as i wanted. We didn't remain single for long, and eventually
ended up dating each other. :>

Interesting way to meet. I don't know if you were on here when Nancy
Backus was but she was allergic to apples. She hosted a picnic (sadly no
longer a Fido event) about 8 years ago; part of it included service at
her church followed by a pot luck lunch. I made a waldorf salad subbing
out pears for apples, thought I'd be bringing some back. When I went to
get the dish, it was empty--guess I ought to do that again. I'm glad
Nancy got some of it, (G)

No, but back in the mid 70s I used key punch cards to enter survey

data RH> into a computer. My Population Problems class (sociology) had
done a RH> survery of about 1/4 of the campus population and we
co-olated the data RH> that way. I used some of the data for a paper for
my Social Psychology RH> (psychology) class. (I was a sociology major, psychology and art RH> minors.)

Interesting that you were a sociology major, and that you got to experience using punch cards. I read that paper tape and punch cards
were in use way past their "expiration date" because the equipment was
so inexpensive.

It was the fastest way to quickly get the data in useable form as the
end of the semester was coming up. There were about 8 of us, each with
about 25-30 copies of the survey.

I recently went down a rabbithole on a rainy day. A friend sent me a video of someone creating art on an oldschool mechanical typewriter.
I found books about typewriter art on archive.org, one of which was published in 1936. I sent it to another friend and called it 1936
ASCII art. This
friend reminded me that ASCII didn't exist in 1936. I found that what
DID exist in 1936 was ITS-2, a 5-bit encoding that was often punched
on 5-hole paper tape. I wrote a script to convert between ASCII and ITS-2, and
another script to convert between ITS-2 and a plaintext representation
to simulate paper tape.

That must have been an interesting rabbit hole for you. The typewriter
art must have been fun; I remember seeing some of it decades ago.

What inspired you to pursue a sociology major? The first thing that popped into my mind was "I wonder what the difference is between
sociology and anthropology?" A cynical answer could be that sociology
is about us and anthropology is about them.

As part of the general ed requirements I took an introductory course
taught by J.Whitney Shea, brother of George Beverly Shea, and found it fascinating. It inter relates with anthropology; it would have been
interesting to do a major combining the 2 but anthropology was not
offered at the (small) college I went to. I originally had just an art
minor but after taking enough psychology classes, I realised I was close
to a minor in it so declared and finished it.


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Re: Sourdough Whole-Wheat Biscuits
By: Ruth Haffly to Ben Collver on Tue Jun 24 2025 15:20:53

Hi Ruth,

I made a waldorf salad subbing
out pears for apples, thought I'd be bringing some back. When I went to
get the dish, it was empty--guess I ought to do that again. I'm glad
Nancy got some of it, (G)

I love reading your substitution success stories to accomodate the dietary restrictions of others.

As part of the general ed requirements I took an introductory course
taught by J.Whitney Shea, brother of George Beverly Shea, and found it fascinating.

It sounds like you had an excellent teacher. What were some of the things
you found fascinating about the subject?
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Hi Ben,

I made a waldorf salad subbing
out pears for apples, thought I'd be bringing some back. When I went to
get the dish, it was empty--guess I ought to do that again. I'm glad
Nancy got some of it, (G)

I love reading your substitution success stories to accomodate the
dietary restrictions of others.

Hopefully you have been able to learn from our experiences. We like
being able to have people enjoy what we cook/bake/etc, rather than
having to sit and watch others enjoy because of dietary constraints. If
we know beforehand what people can/can't eat, it makes our planning easier--we'll know to pick up gluten free pasta for example. I've not
had formal training in nutrition/food services other than junior high
home economics but a lot of what we do is based on common sense and reading/light research.

As part of the general ed requirements I took an introductory course
taught by J.Whitney Shea, brother of George Beverly Shea, and found it fascinating.

It sounds like you had an excellent teacher. What were some of the
things you found fascinating about the subject?

To be honest, I don't really remember what drew my attention initially
but working with people has been interesting over the years. I'm not professionally trained in counseling but have done a lot of "kitchen
table counseling" over the years. It can be better than paying a
professional in a lot of ways--and I tell people up front that I'm not a professionaly trained counselor--a cuppa tea or mug of coffee at the
kitchen table may not solve the world's problems but may help you put
yours into a better perspective.

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Re: Sourdough Whole-Wheat Biscuits
By: Ruth Haffly to Ben Collver on Fri Jun 27 2025 14:45:35

Hi Ruth,

professionally trained in counseling but have done a lot of "kitchen
table counseling" over the years. It can be better than paying a professionaly trained counselor--a cuppa tea or mug of coffee at the kitchen table may not solve the world's problems but may help you put
yours into a better perspective.

For sure! I read the book Focusing and in it Eugene Gendlin writes about studying professional counseling on a large scale. The researchers found equality of outcomes across all modalities. When narrowing down the
factors associated with successful outcomes, the single largest factor was
the attitude that the client brought with them. Focusing is a process
based on those findings.

I took a co-counseling course where the instructor said that the majority
of counseling is basically active listening. She said that people are so hungry to be listened to, that if you are a good listener then strangers
will follow you around in the streets.

I have read co-counseling books from the 1970's and i think some of their
more experimental stuff was harmful or at least irresponsible. They've
cleaned it up a lot since then. All that aside, i see it as a DIY
approach, which is right up my alley. If we lived in the same part of
the world, i'd love to share a cup of tea with you from time to time.
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Hi Ben,

professionally trained in counseling but have done a lot of "kitchen
table counseling" over the years. It can be better than paying a professionaly trained counselor--a cuppa tea or mug of coffee at the kitchen table may not solve the world's problems but may help you put
yours into a better perspective.

For sure! I read the book Focusing and in it Eugene Gendlin writes
about studying professional counseling on a large scale. The
researchers found equality of outcomes across all modalities. When narrowing down the
factors associated with successful outcomes, the single largest factor
was the attitude that the client brought with them. Focusing is a
process
based on those findings.

Sounds interesting. The client's attitude does have quite the influence
on the outcome. I can see where differing attitudes would produce
different results or lack thereof.

I took a co-counseling course where the instructor said that the
majority of counseling is basically active listening. She said that people are so hungry to be listened to, that if you are a good
listener then strangers will follow you around in the streets.

What is co-counseling? It's a term I'm not familiar with, but then too,
most of my classes were in the early 70s. BTW, Steve (my husband) says
that yes, I am a good listener.

I have read co-counseling books from the 1970's and i think some of
their more experimental stuff was harmful or at least irresponsible. They've cleaned it up a lot since then. All that aside, i see it as a
DIY
approach, which is right up my alley. If we lived in the same part of
the world, i'd love to share a cup of tea with you from time to time.

Where is your part of the world? We do travel, most often in a camper.
We do carry teas, other than my morning British Blend, in the camper as
Steve will sometimes brew up a cuppa non caffienated at night. We also
carry coffee (his morning drink) and hot cocoa mix for some of those
really cold nights we occaisionally encounter. This last trip we had to
pack for mid spring in the northeast (still some chilly days and nights)
to summer in the southwest (hot).


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Re: Sourdough Whole-Wheat Biscuits
By: Ruth Haffly to Ben Collver on Mon Jun 30 2025 12:09:37

Hi Ruth!

What is co-counseling? It's a term I'm not familiar with, but then too, most of my classes were in the early 70s. BTW, Steve (my husband) says
that yes, I am a good listener.

Co-counseling is a grass roots method for peer counseling. Sessions are organized as an exchange. I listen to you for a period of time, then you listen to me for an equal period of time. It has a formal structure that
feels awkward compared to an informal meet-up between friends, but i think
it is good practice. Co-counseling is a spin-off from RC (Re-evaluation Counseling), which is in turn an offshoot of Dianetics. It also has ties
to the Human Potential Movement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Co-counselling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Potential_Movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-groups

Where is your part of the world? We do travel, most often in a camper.
We do carry teas, other than my morning British Blend, in the camper as Steve will sometimes brew up a cuppa non caffienated at night.

I live in southern Oregon, not far from the northern border of California.
I love British blends, and also Irish and Scottish blends. :)
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Hi Ben,

What is co-counseling? It's a term I'm not familiar with, but then too, most of my classes were in the early 70s. BTW, Steve (my husband) says
that yes, I am a good listener.

Co-counseling is a grass roots method for peer counseling. Sessions
are organized as an exchange. I listen to you for a period of time,
then you listen to me for an equal period of time. It has a formal structure that feels awkward compared to an informal meet-up between friends, but i think it is good practice. Co-counseling is a spin-off from RC (Re-evaluation Counseling), which is in turn an offshoot of Dianetics. It also has ties to the Human Potential Movement.

OK, I see. I don't know if I'd call it counseling but that's the name
chosen so I'll use it if I have the occaision to. I don't know how well
it works; 2 people exchanging and listening to problems doesn't sound
like counseling to me--more of just a co listening session.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Co-counselling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Potential_Movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-groups

I'll look it up but probably not this week or next, got a small trip
coming up.

Where is your part of the world? We do travel, most often in a camper.
We do carry teas, other than my morning British Blend, in the camper as Steve will sometimes brew up a cuppa non caffienated at night.

I live in southern Oregon, not far from the northern border of
California. I love British blends, and also Irish and Scottish blends.
:)

We've not been to California since Steve had his language school in
Montery in 83-84 other than flights stopping briefly. Guess we ought to
try to make it to the west coast at some point; we've good memories of
the Montery area. We were introduced to guacamole and calamari while we
were out there, 2 things that we still enjoy today. IITC, the furthest
north we got then was San Francisco but have flown in and out of Seattle
a couple of times. First time we flew in, we got there in early
afternoon so spent the rest of the day and early evening exploring.

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