Hi All!
..is still not here.

You should talk to the boss node! ?
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Hi Wilfred!

31 Dec 21 16:41, you wrote to me:

Hi All!
..is still not here.

You should talk to the boss node! ?
--- tg BBS v0.7.1

Yep. But maybe Mark's message has a broken path?


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Hi All!
..is still not here.

You should talk to the boss node! ?
--- tg BBS v0.7.1

Yep. But maybe Mark's message has a broken path?

His message got here. I would start by talking to your boss node sysop and maybe they can trace the problem.

Mike


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Hi August,

On 2021-12-31 14:55:56, you wrote to me:

..is still not here.

You should talk to the boss node! ?

Yep. But maybe Mark's message has a broken path?

What do you mean with "broken path"?

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hi Wilfred!

31 Dec 21 17:45, you wrote to me:

What do you mean with "broken path"?

I suppose Mark's message is getting dropped by a system on the journey here.



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Hi Wilfred!
31 Dec 21 17:45, you wrote to me:

What do you mean with "broken path"?

I suppose Mark's message is getting dropped by a system on the journey here.

Then it wouldn't happen to just Mark's message...

What kind of path lines do you see on the messages you get at your Italian point address?
--- tg BBS v0.7.1
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Hi August,

On 2021-12-31 20:51:02, I wrote to you:

What do you mean with "broken path"?

I suppose Mark's message is getting dropped by a system on the
journey here.

Then it wouldn't happen to just Mark's message...

What kind of path lines do you see on the messages you get at your Italian
point address?

Outgoing from you to me I see these:

@PATH: 333/808 335/364 221/6 1
@PATH: 333/808 335/364 221/6 153/757
@PATH: 333/808 335/364 221/6 154/10
@PATH: 333/808 335/364 221/6 280/5555
@PATH: 333/808 335/364 221/6 460/58
@PATH: 333/808 335/364 292/854
@PATH: 333/808 335/364 301/1

I know all the systems in the third nodenumber column don't cause this. So if one in the 1st or 2nd column is causing that, which are the only routes, they must be "selectively" dropping messages... Very strange!

Bye, Wilfred.
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On 12/31/2021 12:51 PM, between "Wilfred van Velzen - August Abolins":

Hi Wilfred!
31 Dec 21 17:45, you wrote to me:

What do you mean with "broken path"?

I suppose Mark's message is getting dropped by a system on the journey here.

Then it wouldn't happen to just Mark's message...

What kind of path lines do you see on the messages you get at your Italian point address?

This is the last message of yours that arrived at Veleno:

https://susepaste.org/30964711


Your other messages from this morning (approx 8 hours ago), have not yet appeared.
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Hi August,

On 2022-01-01 01:08:24, you wrote to me:

What kind of path lines do you see on the messages you get at your
Italian point address?

This is the last message of yours that arrived at Veleno:

https://susepaste.org/30964711

That's basically the same path as the reverse...

Your other messages from this morning (approx 8 hours ago), have not yet appeared.

You will have to check with your boss and his uplink, that is where most likely the problem exists...

Bye, Wilfred.
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On 2021 Dec 31 14:13:50, you wrote to All:

@MSGID: 2:333/808.7 61cf0248
@CHRS: CP850 2
@TZUTC: 0100
Hi All!

..is still not here.

i don't know why...

--- GoldED+/W32-MINGW 1.1.5-b20180707
* Origin: ----> Point Of VeleNo BBs (http://www.velenobbs.net) (2:333/808.7)
SEEN-BY: 120/616 123/10 153/757 154/10 30 40 50 700 203/0 218/840 220/80 90
SEEN-BY: 221/1 6 226/18 240/1120 280/464 301/1 331/313 333/0 801 808 335/206
SEEN-BY: 335/364 370 460/58 2320/105 3634/12 4500/1 5058/104 116/116 123/25
SEEN-BY: 123/755 135/300 153/7715 261/38 3634/15 24 27 50 300/4 123/180 40 SEEN-BY: 299/6 123/190 115 126 200 3634/0 18/0 123/0 1/120
@PATH: 333/808 335/364 221/6 154/10 3634/12

)\/(ark

"The soul of a small kitten in the body of a mighty dragon. Look on my majesty, ye mighty, and despair! Or bring me catnip. Your choice. Oooh, a shiny thing!"
... A good bookshop is just a genteel black hole that knows how to read.
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Hello mark lewis!

** On Friday 31.12.21 - 20:22, mark lewis wrote to August Abolins:

..is still not here.

i don't know why...

)\/(ark

+ Origin: (1:3634/12.73)

^^

I suspect THAT is the distinction. :/

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On 2022 Jan 01 09:22:00, you wrote to me:

..is still not here.

i don't know why...

)\/(ark

+ Origin: (1:3634/12.73)

^^

I suspect THAT is the distinction. :/

i don't understand... my point address shouldn't matter...

)\/(ark

"The soul of a small kitten in the body of a mighty dragon. Look on my majesty, ye mighty, and despair! Or bring me catnip. Your choice. Oooh, a shiny thing!"
... A farmer raises livestock. A Redneck farmer gets emotionally involved.
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Hi mark!

01 Jan 22 10:07, you wrote to me:

+ Origin: (1:3634/12.73)

^^

I suspect THAT is the distinction. :/

i don't understand... my point address shouldn't matter...

I know that, you know that, but some software in the stream doesn't know that.

ANYWAY... this time your message arrived! Hmmmm. Something is inconsistent along the way.
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On 2022 Jan 01 16:19:38, you wrote to me:

+ Origin: (1:3634/12.73)

^^

I suspect THAT is the distinction. :/

i don't understand... my point address shouldn't matter...

I know that, you know that, but some software in the stream doesn't know that.

:)

ANYWAY... this time your message arrived! Hmmmm. Something is inconsistent along the way.

i'd be interested in seeing the path of this one that made it... would like to see the path of the one that didn't but that's kinda hard to do since it never got there :lol:

i have an idea what might have happened but my timeline is pretty whack right now so i'm not even going to think about it any more...

)\/(ark

"The soul of a small kitten in the body of a mighty dragon. Look on my majesty, ye mighty, and despair! Or bring me catnip. Your choice. Oooh, a shiny thing!"
... Pastry too complicated to be made at home. Do not write for recipe.
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Hi August,

On 2022-01-01 09:22:00, you wrote to mark lewis:

..is still not here.

i don't know why...

)\/(ark

+ Origin: (1:3634/12.73)

^^

I suspect THAT is the distinction. :/

That makes no sense...

Bye, Wilfred.

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Glad to see you, mark!

On 2022 Jan 01 16:19:38, you wrote to me:

I know that, you know that, but some software in the stream doesn't know
that.

:)

ANYWAY... this time your message arrived! Hmmmm. Something is
inconsistent along the way.

i'd be interested in seeing the path of this one that made it... would like to see the path of the one that didn't but that's kinda hard to do since it never got there :lol:
i have an idea what might have happened but my timeline is pretty whack right now so i'm not even going to think about it any more...
)\/(ark
"The soul of a small kitten in the body of a mighty dragon. Look on my majesty, ye mighty, and despair! Or bring me catnip. Your choice. Oooh, a shiny thing!"
... Pastry too complicated to be made at home. Do not write for recipe. ---

Maybe try ping to a few addresses?

*** [Netmail-to-Telegram address: 474405162@2:460/256]

... Tag, you are IT!
--- tg BBS v0.7.1
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Hello Wilfred van Velzen!

** On Saturday 01.01.22 - 17:16, Wilfred van Velzen wrote to August Abolins:

+ Origin: (1:3634/12.73)

^^

I suspect THAT is the distinction. :/

That makes no sense...

But maybe it makes sense to the software that is processing it!

:D

Mark asked about the tosser at Veleno. Doesn't the FTN header
offer any clues?
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Hi John,

On 2022-01-01 20:19:08, you wrote to mark lewis:

Maybe try ping to a few addresses?

That would be of limited value. PING messages in fidonet, test netmail routing. This problem is in echomail routing.

@PATH: 333/808 335/364 ...

335/364 Has the PING flag in his nodelist entry, 333/808, the boss node, doesn't...

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hello mark lewis!

** On Saturday 01.01.22 - 10:42, mark lewis wrote to August Abolins:

i'd be interested in seeing the path of this one that made
it... would like to see the path of the one that didn't
but that's kinda hard to do since it never got there :lol:

FYI, your message above has NOT yet made it to Veleno, despite
having received other people's messages that were posted AFTER
yours.

Here is a screenshot of the last message of yours that has
arrived at Veleno:

Top half: https://susepaste.org/86004746
Bottom half: https://susepaste.org/24307524

i have an idea what might have happened but my timeline is
pretty whack right now so i'm not even going to think
about it any more...

Whatever it is, maybe it happened again?
--
../|ug

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On 2022 Jan 01 14:22:00, you wrote to me:

Top half: https://susepaste.org/86004746
Bottom half: https://susepaste.org/24307524

interesting...

i have an idea what might have happened but my timeline is
pretty whack right now so i'm not even going to think
about it any more...

Whatever it is, maybe it happened again?

sounds like it... it kinda also eliminates what i thought it might have been with the one...


)\/(ark

"The soul of a small kitten in the body of a mighty dragon. Look on my majesty, ye mighty, and despair! Or bring me catnip. Your choice. Oooh, a shiny thing!"
... I just want the cake and be thin too.
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Hi mark!

01 Jan 22 14:37, you wrote to me:

On 2022 Jan 01 14:22:00, you wrote to me:

Top half: https://susepaste.org/86004746
Bottom half: https://susepaste.org/24307524

interesting...

How so?

i have an idea what might have happened but my timeline is
pretty whack right now so i'm not even going to think
about it any more...

Whatever it is, maybe it happened again?

sounds like it... it kinda also eliminates what i thought it might
have been with the one...

BUT.. THIS TIME your latest message reached the VelenoBBS system ok. What happened differently?


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Hi August,

On 2022-01-01 21:09:16, you wrote to mark lewis:

BUT.. THIS TIME your latest message reached the VelenoBBS system ok.
What happened differently?

We don't know, because we don't know what happend to the message that didn't reach you! We can only speculate so much. You really have to talk to your boss node and his uplink if you want to find out!

Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
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On 2022 Jan 01 21:09:16, you wrote to me:

Top half: https://susepaste.org/86004746
Bottom half: https://susepaste.org/24307524

interesting...

How so?

the path was just interesting to me...

i have an idea what might have happened but my timeline is
pretty whack right now so i'm not even going to think
about it any more...

Whatever it is, maybe it happened again?

sounds like it... it kinda also eliminates what i thought it might
have been with the one...

BUT.. THIS TIME your latest message reached the VelenoBBS system ok. What happened differently?

nothing has changed here, really... it may be due to links changing with the recent loss of one of the top level star hubs... hopefully it'll be all fleshed out soon... -ish...

)\/(ark

"The soul of a small kitten in the body of a mighty dragon. Look on my majesty, ye mighty, and despair! Or bring me catnip. Your choice. Oooh, a shiny thing!"
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BUT.. THIS TIME your latest message reached the VelenoBBS system ok. What hap
ned differently?

Probably some random event. Maybe veleno received it in a bad packet or something.

As someone pointed out, a major echomail mover shut down, too. As folks
were shuffling their routings, some packets may have been disrupted or lost.

Mike
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Hi Mike,

On 2022-01-02 11:09:00, you wrote to AUGUST ABOLINS:

Probably some random event. Maybe veleno received it in a bad packet
or something.

As someone pointed out, a major echomail mover shut down, too. As folks were shuffling their routings, some packets may have been disrupted or lost.

1:261/38 Wasn't involved in any of the PATH's we've seen so far.

The only uplink of the boss node: 2:333/808 seems to be 2:335/364. If the problem is caused between those two, like bad packets, then start praying! ;-)

Bye, Wilfred.
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