This is a question for you church-goers: How do you feel about people visiting your services that aren't members of your particular church/sect/faith? If you're a Baptist, how would you feel if a Catholic/Mormon/Muslim wanted to attend your services, just to understand you better? What about the children of those visitors, do you correct their faith, try to influence them, or just accept them as a visitor?

The Baptist bit was just an example, I'm curious how everyone feels about this. Thanks!

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Re: Visitors to your church
By: tfurrows to All on Tue Dec 27 2016 02:51 pm

This is a question for you church-goers: How do you feel about people visiting your services that aren't members of your particular church/sect/faith? If you're a Baptist, how would you feel if a Catholic/Mormon/Muslim wanted to attend your services, just to understand you better? What about the children of those visitors, do you correct their faith, try to influence them, or just accept them as a visitor?

The Baptist bit was just an example, I'm curious how everyone feels about this. Thanks!

from what i understand they dont mind and welcome visitors.
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This is a question for you church-goers: How do you feel about people visiting your services that aren't members of your particular church/sect/faith? If you're a Baptist, how would you feel if a Catholic/Mormon/Muslim wanted to attend your services, just to
understand you better? What about the children of those visitors, do
you correct their faith, try to influence them, or just accept them as
a visitor?

The Baptist bit was just an example, I'm curious how everyone feels
about this. Thanks!

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Episcopalian myself.
Our congregation welcomes all. We generally attend Mass and then have a short social gathering afterward. When we have a visitor, the are welcome and we don't try to "correct" their religion. We do interchange ideologies.

I do have to say about 2 1/2 years ago, I began work on a project with a Muslim. The project lasted about 18 months. He and I had considerable religious conversations and his religion intrigued me. Never did either one of us try to convert the other.

I think we must learn to accept. Personally, I don't agree that religion should be practiced in an amphitheater, but I would rather have the people that enjoy that sort of service at that service than somewhere else causing trouble.

We all need something to believe in. I fervently stand by my religious convictions, but I will not chide someone else for having a different opinion than mine.

At the very least, they have enough faith to have an opinion.

Jazzy_J

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On 2016-12-27 09:51 PM, tfurrows wrote:

This is a question for you church-goers: How do you feel about people visiting
your services that aren't members of your particular church/sect/faith? If you're a Baptist, how would you feel if a Catholic/Mormon/Muslim wanted to attend your services, just to understand you better? What about the children of
those visitors, do you correct their faith, try to influence them, or just accept them as a visitor?

The Baptist bit was just an example, I'm curious how everyone feels about this.
Thanks!

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I feel that they are welcome as a Roman Catholic. I don't try and
convert them.

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On 2016-12-28 03:04 AM, Mro wrote:

Re: Visitors to your church
By: tfurrows to All on Tue Dec 27 2016 02:51 pm

This is a question for you church-goers: How do you feel about people visiting your services that aren't members of your particular church/sect/faith? If you're a Baptist, how would you feel if a Catholic/Mormon/Muslim wanted to attend your services, just to understand you better? What about the children of those visitors, do you correct their
faith, try to influence them, or just accept them as a visitor?

The Baptist bit was just an example, I'm curious how everyone feels about this. Thanks!

from what i understand they dont mind and welcome visitors.
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Yes, I know for a fact that that is true with Catholic.

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On 2016-12-28 04:10 AM, Jazzy_J wrote:

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This is a question for you church-goers: How do you feel about people visiting your services that aren't members of your particular church/sect/faith? If you're a Baptist, how would you feel if a Catholic/Mormon/Muslim wanted to attend your services, just to understand you better? What about the children of those visitors, do
you correct their faith, try to influence them, or just accept them as
a visitor?

The Baptist bit was just an example, I'm curious how everyone feels about this. Thanks!

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Episcopalian myself.
Our congregation welcomes all. We generally attend Mass and then have a short
social gathering afterward. When we have a visitor, the are welcome and we don't try to "correct" their religion. We do interchange ideologies.

I do have to say about 2 1/2 years ago, I began work on a project with a Muslim. The project lasted about 18 months. He and I had considerable religious conversations and his religion intrigued me. Never did either one of
us try to convert the other.

I think we must learn to accept. Personally, I don't agree that religion should be practiced in an amphitheater, but I would rather have the people that
enjoy that sort of service at that service than somewhere else causing trouble.

We all need something to believe in. I fervently stand by my religious convictions, but I will not chide someone else for having a different opinion than mine.

At the very least, they have enough faith to have an opinion.

Jazzy_J

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Re: Re: Visitors to your church
By: Deavmi to Mro on Wed Dec 28 2016 10:20 am

The Baptist bit was just an example, I'm curious how everyone feels about this. Thanks!

from what i understand they dont mind and welcome visitors.

Yes, I know for a fact that that is true with Catholic.

i think most religious if not all allow people from other faiths to visit. dont take my word for it if you are in the middle east, though!
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Re: Visitors to your church
By: tfurrows to All on Tue Dec 27 2016 14:51:59

This is a question for you church-goers: How do you feel about people visiting your services that aren't members of your particular church/sect/faith? If you're a Baptist, how would you feel if a Catholic/Mormon/Muslim wanted to attend your services, just to understand you better? What about the children of those visitors, do you correct their faith, try to influence them, or just accept them as a visitor?

The Baptist bit was just an example, I'm curious how everyone feels about this. Thanks!

Since you mentioned Baptists, I may be able to shed a little light on this, but it does depend upon the church.

In my (independent) Baptist church, any visitor would be welcomed. While no blatent attempt would be made to actively convert them, you could safely assume that the message would include a very pointed message detailing what "saved" means, what "salvation" is, where the Bible shows you how to be saved, and where you will ultimately end up if you are not saved.

Being an Independent Baptist church, ANYTHING presented as Gospel will be accompanied with the appropriate book/chapter/verse so the congregation can read it for themselves...

I would also expect that they would be greeted either before or after services by at least half the church. The pastor would be sure to greet them, invite them back, and offer to explain or discuss anything which they might have questions about.

Again, YMMV. I've been in Baptist churches where they would be more concerned about how long the dresses were, if the men were wearing slacks, if the males had long hair, if the females had short hair, etc. Once the clothing evaluation was over, they might worry about other stuff, like whether the visitor knew what the Bible said about believing in Jesus, being saved, going to Heaven, etc.

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On 2016-12-29 01:08 AM, Mro wrote:

Re: Re: Visitors to your church
By: Deavmi to Mro on Wed Dec 28 2016 10:20 am

The Baptist bit was just an example, I'm curious how everyone feels about this. Thanks!

from what i understand they dont mind and welcome visitors.

Yes, I know for a fact that that is true with Catholic.

i think most religious if not all allow people from other faiths to visit. dont
take my word for it if you are in the middle east, though!
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Also depends on other things. With the middle east it is not enitirely
true. Like that big black box in Mecca, I don't think people of other
faiths are allowed there.

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On 2016-12-29 08:11 PM, Deavmi wrote:

On 2016-12-29 01:08 AM, Mro wrote:

Re: Re: Visitors to your church
By: Deavmi to Mro on Wed Dec 28 2016 10:20 am

The Baptist bit was just an example, I'm curious how everyone

feels

about this. Thanks!

from what i understand they dont mind and welcome visitors.

Yes, I know for a fact that that is true with Catholic.

i think most religious if not all allow people from other faiths to
visit. dont
take my word for it if you are in the middle east, though!
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Also depends on other things. With the middle east it is not enitirely
true. Like that big black box in Mecca, I don't think people of other
faiths are allowed there.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

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On 2016-12-29 07:04 AM, Loco wrote:

Re: Visitors to your church
By: tfurrows to All on Tue Dec 27 2016 14:51:59

This is a question for you church-goers: How do you feel about people visiting your services that aren't members of your particular church/sect/faith? If you're a Baptist, how would you feel if a Catholic/Mormon/Muslim wanted to attend your services, just to understand you better? What about the children of those visitors, do you correct their
faith, try to influence them, or just accept them as a visitor?

The Baptist bit was just an example, I'm curious how everyone feels about this. Thanks!

Since you mentioned Baptists, I may be able to shed a little light on this, but
it does depend upon the church.

In my (independent) Baptist church, any visitor would be welcomed. While no blatent attempt would be made to actively convert them, you could safely assume
that the message would include a very pointed message detailing what "saved" means, what "salvation" is, where the Bible shows you how to be saved, and where you will ultimately end up if you are not saved.

Being an Independent Baptist church, ANYTHING presented as Gospel will be accompanied with the appropriate book/chapter/verse so the congregation can read it for themselves...

I would also expect that they would be greeted either before or after services
by at least half the church. The pastor would be sure to greet them, invite them back, and offer to explain or discuss anything which they might have questions about.

Again, YMMV. I've been in Baptist churches where they would be more concerned
about how long the dresses were, if the men were wearing slacks, if the males had long hair, if the females had short hair, etc. Once the clothing evaluation was over, they might worry about other stuff, like whether the visitor knew what the Bible said about believing in Jesus, being saved, going to Heaven, etc.

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There are definately dress codes. I know for St. Peters you can't go in
with tattoes (they must be covered) and no short pants that girls where
(I don't know the name, short shorts?).

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Re: Re: Visitors to your church
By: Deavmi to Loco on Thu Dec 29 2016 08:13 pm

There are definately dress codes. I know for St. Peters you can't go in
with tattoes (they must be covered) and no short pants that girls where
(I don't know the name, short shorts?).

Is the no Tattoo rule a dress code, or Biblical prohibition?


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Re: Re: Visitors to your church
By: Deavmi to Deavmi on Thu Dec 29 2016 08:11 pm

Also depends on other things. With the middle east it is not enitirely true. Like that big black box in Mecca, I don't think people of other faiths are allowed there.

I'm not specifically thinking of holy sites, just normal worship services. Though, I did visit Loudes once in the off-season, and was surprised by how hands-off it was. It was very low-key, and very beautiful.

After some more thought, I'm thinking it might be best not to attend out-of-the-blue... I have friends of other faiths, it might be better if I just ask them if I can come with them, then I have a friend and someone who can explain why I'm there :)

I am particularly interested in attending Baptist services. All my friends growing up were Baptist, but I never really went to church with them. To be honest, I was always a little intimidated by their approach to faith.

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Re: Re: Visitors to your church
By: Gruven to Deavmi on Fri Dec 30 2016 10:39:12

Re: Re: Visitors to your church
By: Deavmi to Loco on Thu Dec 29 2016 08:13 pm

There are definately dress codes. I know for St. Peters you can't go in with tattoes (they must be covered) and no short pants that girls where (I don't know the name, short shorts?).

Is the no Tattoo rule a dress code, or Biblical prohibition?

I may have missed it, but I don't think that I ever read anything about a "dress code" in the Bible.

That said, there ARE references to "stumbling blocks". Since lust is a sin, if you deliberatly wear clothing designed to invoke lust in those who see you, then your garb would not be Biblical at that point.

I'm not sure where tattos come in to play. I don't personally have any (Left US Navy as an E-5 and dont have tatoos???), but don't see where my wife's butterfly on her ankle should cause a disruption to services..

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Re: Re: Visitors to your church
By: Loco to Gruven on Fri Dec 30 2016 01:20 pm

I'm not sure where tattos come in to play. I don't personally have any (Left US Navy as an E-5 and dont have tatoos???), but don't see where my wife's butterfly on her ankle should cause a disruption to services..

There are those who translate Leviticus 19:28 to be a prohibition against tattoos.

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Re: Visitors to your church
By: tfurrows to All on Tue Dec 27 2016 02:51 pm

This is a question for you church-goers: How do you feel about people visiti

ng

your services that aren't members of your particular church/sect/faith? If you're a Baptist, how would you feel if a Catholic/Mormon/Muslim wanted to attend your services, just to understand you better? What about the children

of

those visitors, do you correct their faith, try to influence them, or just accept them as a visitor?

The church that I am a member of is very welcoming of visitors and there is a very good reason as to why.

Most of the congregations do not have a dedicated building to meet in, so it would require knowing someone who is in the Church, or getting one of our local minister's phone number or E-Mail address and finding out when and where the closest congregation meets. That said, it does require a bit of research and reaching out to come visit us.

We do get people from other congregations visitng us; however, the ones who are new to the Church that do visit us, typically, have a great interest in our beliefs and share some of them as well.

We don't try to convert or push our beleifs on that visitor right away and we let them make up their own minds on what they believe. Our church believes that God will do the calling and there is no need for us to be constantly evangelizing people. Yes, we still are commissioned to spread the gospel (which we personally believe is really the good news of God's comming kingdom, not necessarily Jesus Christ or His life on Earth). We believe that we are to set examples; if someone wants to know more about what we believe, then we talk about it then. Homestly we don't broadcast our beliefs or works unless we need to say something then. Otherwise, we just let our works speak for us.

Now, when we do have guests (both new to the Church and those who are from other congregations), both our song leaders and ministers (or those who are giving announcements) do acknowledge/greet our visitors during service and other members try to get to know them and invite them to stay and fellowship with us. We do try to have snacks brought in with us for others and our guests are more than welcome to stay with us and enjoy those snacks with us.

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Re: Visitors to your church
By: tfurrows to All on Tue Dec 27 2016 02:51 pm

This is a question for you church-goers: How do you feel about people visiti your services that aren't members of your particular church/sect/faith? If you're a Baptist, how would you feel if a Catholic/Mormon/Muslim wanted to attend your services, just to understand you better? What about the children those visitors, do you correct their faith, try to influence them, or just accept them as a visitor?

The Baptist bit was just an example, I'm curious how everyone feels about th Thanks!

I would like to ask this question as well, but with the visitor not have any religious beliefs at all? What would a congregating do with them? Would anyone approach them? What would you say? Would you try to convert them because they have no belief?

Personally, I believe in evidence that the scientific community provide. However, I do find the concept of religion interesting and I have been known to sit in a church on occasion as I always find them peaceful. And I do like to listen to a good sermon, I just do not agree with what is said.

So, if someone were to enter a church and you discover they are not religious, do you ask them to leave? Or, what do you do?

I am not asking this to make trouble, it is a question I have often pondered and this seems like a good time to ask..

Jeff in Australia

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Re: Re: Visitors to your church
By: Deavmi to Mro on Thu Dec 29 2016 08:11 pm

Also depends on other things. With the middle east it is not enitirely true. Like that big black box in Mecca, I don't think people of other faiths are allowed there.

I saw in a documentary a few years ago, no other person other than of that certain relgion is allowed near it. (There is a "barrier", you're not allowed to cross.)

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Re: Visitors to your church
By: Jeff Friend to All on Mon Jan 02 2017 10:23 pm

So, if someone were to enter a church and you discover they are not religiou do you ask them to leave? Or, what do you do?

For my part Jeff, we have people visit our church frequently. I like to find out what people believe, but not with the goal to correct them, mostly because I want to understand their background and find out what we might have to talk about. We've had people visit that don't believe in God, and that's fine with me. I figure they'll come to that place if and when they want to, there's nothing I can do to force it.

If they just want to listen, that's great. If they want to discuss, that's wonderful too.

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On 2017-01-02 02:23 PM, Jeff Friend wrote:

Re: Visitors to your church
By: tfurrows to All on Tue Dec 27 2016 02:51 pm

This is a question for you church-goers: How do you feel about people visiti
your services that aren't members of your particular church/sect/faith? If you're a Baptist, how would you feel if a Catholic/Mormon/Muslim wanted to attend your services, just to understand you better? What about the children
those visitors, do you correct their faith, try to influence them, or just accept them as a visitor?

The Baptist bit was just an example, I'm curious how everyone feels about th
Thanks!

I would like to ask this question as well, but with the visitor not have any religious beliefs at all? What would a congregating do with them? Would anyone
approach them? What would you say? Would you try to convert them because they have no belief?

Personally, I believe in evidence that the scientific community provide. However, I do find the concept of religion interesting and I have been known to
sit in a church on occasion as I always find them peaceful. And I do like to listen to a good sermon, I just do not agree with what is said.

So, if someone were to enter a church and you discover they are not religious,
do you ask them to leave? Or, what do you do?

I am not asking this to make trouble, it is a question I have often pondered and this seems like a good time to ask..

Jeff in Australia

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No trouble made at all. It is a two sided one I guess. Most of the time
we never convert them (at least from what I have seen). But I was
thinking if someone was going through a hard time and needed some hope
we could, but then again we have never done that in my Church from what
I know, we just help those people, whether religious or not, as a
community (which we are great at).

So it probably is not as much as two sided, mostly we do not convert
them. We don't interrogate them at all.

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On 2017-01-03 12:35 AM, tfurrows wrote:

Re: Visitors to your church
By: Jeff Friend to All on Mon Jan 02 2017 10:23 pm

So, if someone were to enter a church and you discover they are not religiou
do you ask them to leave? Or, what do you do?

For my part Jeff, we have people visit our church frequently. I like to find out what people believe, but not with the goal to correct them, mostly because
I want to understand their background and find out what we might have to talk about. We've had people visit that don't believe in God, and that's fine with me. I figure they'll come to that place if and when they want to, there's nothing I can do to force it.

If they just want to listen, that's great. If they want to discuss, that's wonderful too.

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I absolutely agree with this. I've had an Indian friend come to my
church of who is Hindu and he was fine. We were kids but hhy it was all
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Re: Re: Visitors to your church
By: Deavmi to Mro on Thu Dec 29 2016 08:11 pm

Also depends on other things. With the middle east it is not enitirely true. Like that big black box in Mecca, I don't think people of other faiths are allowed there.

I saw in a documentary a few years ago, no other person other than of that certain relgion is allowed near it. (There is a "barrier", you're not allowed to cross.)

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Ah okay. Makes sense.

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On 2017-01-03 10:05 AM, Deavmi wrote:

On 2017-01-02 10:44 PM, Knightmare wrote:

Re: Re: Visitors to your church
By: Deavmi to Mro on Thu Dec 29 2016 08:11 pm

Also depends on other things. With the middle east it is not

enitirely

true. Like that big black box in Mecca, I don't think people of

other

faiths are allowed there.

I saw in a documentary a few years ago, no other person other than of
that
certain relgion is allowed near it. (There is a "barrier", you're not
allowed
to cross.)

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Ah okay. Makes sense.

Then again I like the openness Catholicism provides. I can't think of
any Catholic place that a non-believer may not go to.

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Re: Visitors to your church
By: Jeff Friend to All on Mon Jan 02 2017 22:23:25

I would like to ask this question as well, but with the visitor not have any religious beliefs at all? What would a congregating do with them? Would anyone approach them? What would you say? Would you try to convert them because they have no belief?

We would make you feel welcome, and make sure that you had access to answers to any and all questions.

Personally, If I were in your place, I'd find a small church and contact the pastor during the week and ask if he can meet with you to explain God. If he can't, wrong church.

Try an Independent Baptist Church. Standard procedure would be for the pastor to put a Bible in your hands and walk you through the basics verse by verse.
If ANY clergy tells you something, but can't find in the Bible where it says it, then it should be considered suspect.

I prefer the King James (KJV) bible. I get worried whenever I see a Bible where it has been "clarified", "amplified", "translated to modern English", etc. I also get worried when a "church" publishes its own bible...

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Re: Visitors to your church
By: Loco to Jeff Friend on Tue Jan 03 2017 09:08 pm

I prefer the King James (KJV) bible. I get worried whenever I see a Bible where it has been "clarified", "amplified", "translated to modern English", etc. I also get worried when a "church" publishes its own bible...

Was KJV the first writing? I would think any and all, other than the original, is simply a translation or clarification.

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Re: Visitors to your church
By: Hemo to Loco on Wed Jan 04 2017 11:44 am

Was KJV the first writing? I would think any and all, other than the origin is simply a translation or clarification.

For the old testament, there is no "first" that we have. For the new testament, the greek is the most original, though we don't have any "first" copies really. We have a canonized collection of works that the Catholic church selected out of a much larger set of writings. The KJV is perhaps the oldest english translation that people generally have access to though. I think the author of that post doesn't like the new-age translations that that the KJV and convert it to modern language.

In french I read the (among others) the Louis Segond version. I find it fascinating to compare that translation to the KJV; it was done in the 1800's, the KJV was 1600's... so an appeal to antiquity works for both :)

It's also interesting how the topic has strayed. I have no problem with it, it's just interesting how many feelings/thoughts are pent-up concerning religion.

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Re: Visitors to your church
By: tfurrows to Hemo on Wed Jan 04 2017 07:54 pm

Was KJV the first writing? I would think any and all, other than the
origin is simply a translation or clarification.

The King James was pretty much the "First" translation written for the "common folk" considering most everyone was could'nt read, so the original greek/latin etc would be spoken by the minister, etc.

perhaps the oldest english translation that people generally have access to though. I think the author of that post doesn't like the new-age translations that that the KJV and convert it to modern language.

That's what I'm kinda getting out of that post also, I truly see nothing more wrong with any of the newer translations than I would the KJ, as long as the "Word of God" has'nt been changed, even the original original texts MAN wrote, eg: Timothy, etc.. were still written by MAN so all of it is meant to be interpereted as the reader envisions it.

I presume he is more than likely speaking of the passages that speak of adding or taking away from the word of God, Rev 22:18-19.. Example, A bible being published for Gay people that conveniently leaves out passages that condemn homosexuality.

Who's to say that the KJV has'nt had added passages or conveniently left something out to fit the politics of the time. You can just about relate it to todays Media. They tell you what you need to hear.

In french I read the (among others) the Louis Segond version. I find it fascinating to compare that translation to the KJV; it was done in the 1800's, the KJV was 1600's... so an appeal to antiquity works for both :)

I would love to get back into latin, so I would be able to muck about in a few different languages to see what differences their really are, Thats why I do not put my faith in MATERIAL items like bibles, churches, idols. etc.. FAITH is something you cannot see, smell, touch, or taste.. its just there..

It's also interesting how the topic has strayed. I have no problem with it, it's just interesting how many feelings/thoughts are pent-up concerning religion.

you are so right. it's sickening how many people on this Earth have died in "The name of God". When really all they have died for is the political agenda of whatever faction is running the area they are living in at the time.

I still have full faith that there is a God, a higher being, because if it stops at Humanity as it is right now, I have no hope for this galaxy. Whether God is an Alien who has seeded us here, after all we were made in his image, or some other being that I cannot begin to fathom, I have faith, and thats good enough for me.

But I also have enough common sense to not let religous dogma infiltrate my every thought and movement and allow me to hate others just because they worship God differently than I do. It's awful, we all worship the same God and killing one another over that God. "a lot of people think so" I just believe most of it is politically motivated, hiding behind religion.

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Re: Visitors to your church
By: Hemo to Loco on Wed Jan 04 2017 11:44 am

Was KJV the first writing? I would think any and all, other than the origin is simply a translation or clarification.

For the old testament, there is no "first" that we have. For the new testament, the greek is the most original, though we don't have any "first" copies really. We have a canonized collection of works that the Catholic church selected out of a much larger set of writings. The KJV
is perhaps the oldest english translation that people generally have access to though. I think the author of that post doesn't like the
new-age translations that that the KJV and convert it to modern
language.

My understanding is that original transcripts that are now bundled together and referred to as the bible, were in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek.

The old testament was mostly Hebrew, as the Jewish culture/religion used this and memorized it for generations as part of their faith/religion.

Going further, I know that certain divisions of the church have added to or removed from the bundles of writings that were grouped together. That is why a Catholic bible has more 'books' or chapters than other bibles (commonly referred to as protestant versions)
What some consider to be 'original Hebrew' versions of the bible had even different numbers of books compared to these.

It's also interesting how the topic has strayed. I have no problem with it, it's just interesting how many feelings/thoughts are pent-up concerning religion.

I agree. It appears to me that man/humankind has been the party that is deciding what to bundle together as a 'complete bible', and that humankind is trying to interpret what it all means.
I like math. Math is exact. Other than a snafu in years gone by with man-made computer processors, 1+1=2. period. There seems to be an extreme amount of things in the bible that people generally think are open to interpretation.

I've read enough of the bible to think the whole sum of it is this - take care of each other ( the second 'greatest' commandment - love one another as you love yourself), and as a whole global colony of humans - we've already fucked that up pretty well.

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Re: Visitors to your church
By: Hemo to tfurrows on Thu Jan 05 2017 09:19 am

I've read enough of the bible to think the whole sum of it is this - take care of each other ( the second 'greatest' commandment - love one another as you love yourself), and as a whole global colony of humans - we've already fucked that up pretty well.

So true.. and thats really two of the easist things one could do, Love others, care for others. It would be so nice to live in a world not torn apart by religion and politics. Just think of what the world would be like. If their are other sentient beings out there somewhere, no wonder they don't want to fool with us. :-)

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Re: Re: Visitors to your church
By: Deavmi to Deavmi on Thu Dec 29 2016 08:11 pm

Also depends on other things. With the middle east it is not enitirely true. Like that big black box in Mecca, I don't think people of other faiths are allowed there.

I'm not specifically thinking of holy sites, just normal worship services. Though, I did visit Loudes once in the off-season, and was surprised by how hands-off it was. It was very low-key, and very beautiful.

After some more thought, I'm thinking it might be best not to attend out-of-the-blue... I have friends of other faiths, it might be better if I just
ask them if I can come with them, then I have a friend and someone who can explain why I'm there :)

I am particularly interested in attending Baptist services. All my friends growing up were Baptist, but I never really went to church with them. To be honest, I was always a little intimidated by their approach to faith.

My church is welcoming and it isn't a religious site. Just a normal
church (ROman Catholic).

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