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10 Misconceptions about Mother Teresa; She was no Saint

By listland -
February 18, 2015

Top 10 Reasons Mother Teresa Was No Saint: 10 Misconceptions about
Mother Teresa

Mother Teresa known and celebrated worldwide as the Albanian Nun who
received a calling to work with the poor in the slums of Calcutta.
Even now, many years after her death, her name is synonymous with
charity, with love and care of the poor. She was honored with the
Nobel Prize for Peace and, shortly after her death the Vatican started
an accelerated process for her canonization.

Significant controversy surrounds her life and her missionary work.
Here we list the top 10 reasons why Mother Teresa was not a saint and
why claims about her life and work should be treated with caution.

10 Mother TeresaΓÇÖs Home for the Dying provides abysmal medical
care.


Mother Teresa was no saint because her home for the dying provided
terrible medical care Mother Teresa was no saint because her home for
the dying provided terrible medical care

Mother Teresa received a vision from God telling her to help the poor
while living among them. Following some very basic medical training
Mother Teresa started to look after the ΓÇÿpoorest among the poorΓÇÖ.,
those who were dying, destitute on the streets in the slums of
Calcutta. In 1952 her Missionaries of Charity organization started
her Kalighat Home for the Dying ΓÇô a place where people could come to
die in dignity and comfort. She wanted to make it possible for ΓÇÿpeople
who lived like animals to die like angels ΓÇô loved and wantedΓÇÖ.

When qualified doctors visited the home, however they found that the
medical care provided was very poor. Most of the volunteers had no
medical knowledge and yet had to make medical decisions because there
were no doctors available. There was no distinction made between those
who were suffering from curable and incurable illnesses so people who
might have survived had they been given access to treatment were left
to die. Needles were re-used so many times that they became blunt and
they were not sterilized between uses. In 1981 when the state of care
in her facilities was challenged she said ΓÇÿThere is something beautiful
in seeing the poor accept their lot, to suffer it like ChristΓÇÖs
Passion. The world gains much from their sufferingΓÇÖ. This shows a
very cynical use of the poor to further the ends of others.

There was no proper pain management, meaning people suffered in
needless pain while they died. Mother Teresa promoted this suffering
as she felt that it was of benefit to suffer in this world for a better
life in heaven. She is reputed to have once told someone dying in pain
ΓÇÿyou are suffering, that means Jesus is kissing youΓÇÖ. It is not known
whether the sufferer was even Christian but probably not, he screamed
back, in pain and distressed ΓÇÿtell your Jesus to stop kissing meΓÇÖ.

With regard to her own medical treatment Mother Teresa received only
the best. Although she made public shows of declining free high
quality medical treatment she nevertheless had no compunctions about
secretly accepting medical care from some of the best institutions in
the world including having cataract surgery and having a pace maker
installed. When the time came for her to be ΓÇÿkissed by JesusΓÇÖ she did
not die in one of her own homes for the dying and was not treated with
blunt needles. She passed to meet her maker in the very best
of medical facilities.

9 Mother TeresaΓÇÖs goal was missionary work not helping the
poor.
Mother Teresa would rather be a missionary rather than help poor people
Mother Teresa would rather be a missionary rather than help poor people

Despite the extensive donations to Mother TeresaΓÇÖs homes only a few
hundred people are helped at any one time. At the time she accepted
her Nobel Prize for Peace Mother Teresa claimed to have helped about
36,000 people in Calcutta, the reality is that the Missionaries of
Charity have helped about 5-700 people. A survey of charitable
organizations operating in Calcutta in 1998 did not even rank her homes
in the top 200. Some of the Missionaries of Charity homes are used, not
to treat people but to try to persuade them to convert to Catholicism.

There have been well documented cases of people trying to access the
services of Mother TeresaΓÇÖs house for the dying but being turned away.
In one instance in 1979, shortly before the Nobel Peace Prize ceremony,
a well-known Calcuttan intellectual, Jyotirmoy Datta, tried to obtain
the assistance of the House of the Dying for a destitute he found on
the street. He spoke to Mother Teresa herself who refused to help.

Mother TeresaΓÇÖs organization received and receives extensive donations
which would enable them to transform the homes for the dying into
modern, clean hospices that provide a decent level of palliative care.
Mother Teresa was not, however, interested in mitigating suffering so
much as celebrating it. As such she concentrated on opening new
Missionaries of Charity convents and homes in many different locations
around the world as opposed to channeling its extensive funds into
their existing homes for the benefit of the people they claimed to be
trying to help.

8 Mother TeresaΓÇÖs Missionaries of Charity baptized the dying
without their permission.
Mother Teresa's minions baptized people without their permission Mother
TeresaΓÇÖs minions baptized people without their permission

The Missionaries of Charity operate in Calcutta where the majority of
people are Hindu or Muslim. Mother Teresa claimed that the
Missionaries of Charity gave the dying the rituals of their faith.

However, in 1992, on a visit to the Vatican she claimed that she and
her sisters gave the dying a special ΓÇÿTicket to St PeterΓÇÖ by baptizing
them. In essence all who were dying (and probably in pain, incoherent
and incapable of making a rational decision) were asked if they wanted
a blessing, their sins forgiven and to see God. It is not clear if
this offer was worded so as to make it clear that the offer came with
regard to the Christian God or if the offer was made at the same time
that they were given the comforts of their own faith. Most people
agreed to this forgiveness, their head was then covered in a wet cloth
and the formula for adult baptism repeated very quietly

To impose a religion on someone, to convert them covertly is not the
actions of a saint. Surely if someoneΓÇÖs mortal soul is in peril it
would be better to arrange for instruction in the religion and allow
people to come to their faith naturally.

7 Mother TeresaΓÇÖs Missionaries of Charity Organization has
shady finances

Mother Teresa's finances allegedly were not above board Mother TeresaΓÇÖs
finances allegedly were not above board

Under Indian Law all charities are required to publish their accounts
but the Missionaries of Charity have never complied with this
requirement. In Germany, when the Missionaries of Charity were asked
how much money they had they responded that ΓÇÿitΓÇÖs nobodyΓÇÖs businessΓÇÖ

In New York a former Sister with the Missionaries of Charity said that
in one year the organization banked $50million, she thought that the
organizationΓÇÖs receipts worldwide would amount to somewhere in
the region of $100m annually.

There equally appears to be no record of expenditures made by the
Missionaries of Charity, indeed wherever possible they rely on
donations ΓÇô of food, clothing, buildings etc to cover their start up
and operating costs. It appears that a significant portion of the
monies were deposited at the Vatican Bank in Rome and not used to
improve the houses of the dying, the orphanages or other charitable
operations of the order. Saving not spending money appears to have
been a goal in itself even when the money was plentiful and could have
been used to ameliorate suffering and improve conditions for those
living in the very worst of conditions. New missions are given start
up assistance from the order but are then expected to be
completely self ΓÇôsufficient.

Many philanthropic organizations exist in order to use money to improve
the life of others. The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is a typical
example. It uses its funds to help improve the lives that people lead,
regardless of where they are or how they worship ΓÇô the foundation is
predicated on the belief that every life has equal value. Its finances
are properly regulated, transparent and applied effectively. Unlike
the Missionaries of Charity who hide away their money and promote
suffering as noble, admirable philanthropic organizations like the Bill
and Melinda Gates Foundation help people to make the most of the life
they have.

6 Mother Teresa took money from known fraudsters and refused
to refund it ΓÇô even when this refusal caused real harm to innocent
people.

Mother Teresa was happy to accept donations from any source ΓÇô even when
the source in question was a reprehensible con-man. She received
significant donations from Charles Keating, a leading American catholic
and anti-pornography protestor who was convicted and imprisoned for
fraud when his Savings and Loan Association collapsed leaving 23,000
investors with worthless bonds and from Robert Maxwell who stole £450m
from the pension fund of his employees. Although it appears that she
was not aware of their activities prior to the scandals association
with the men she showed little concern for the suffering their actions
caused; she believed that the donation of funds could salve the
conscience of those who donated them.

Mother Teresa wrote to the judge requesting leniency for Keating
because he had made donations to the Missionaries of Charity. The
Deputy District Attorney wrote to her explaining exactly what Keating
had done in defrauding small investors of their life savings. Mother
Teresa refused to reply to that letter. Sadly because of the shady
finances of her organization it is impossible to tell whether the money
was put to good use which would at least provide some small comfort to
the people whose lives were ruined. From the poor conditions in her
House of the Dying and the lack of support given to missions worldwide
it would seem these people lost their money for no good reason.

5 As well as consorting with fraudsters Mother Teresa was
friends with the leaders of some of the most reprehensible political
regimes in the world.

Mother Teresa associated with really shady characters. Duvalier regime
in Haiti. Mother Teresa associated with really shady characters.
Duvalier regime in Haiti.

Mother Teresa was an admirer of the Duvalier regime in Haiti. The rule
of ΓÇÿPapaΓÇÖ and ΓÇÿBabyΓÇÖ Doc was known, worldwide, to be brutally
oppressive and incredibly cruel to the people of the impoverished
country. Both were known to live a lavish lifestyle at the expense of
the people of Haiti, to allow the torture and murder of their
detractors and to be involved in the underground trade in both drugs
and body parts. Nevertheless Mother Teresa had no compunctions about
accepting an award from Baby Doc and to say of the Duvaliers that they
ΓÇÿlove their poor and their love was reciprocated.ΓÇÖ

Mother Teresa did not confine her controversial actions to Haiti. When
she returned to her homeland of Albania in 1989 she visited the widow
of the former communist Dictator Enver Hoxha and laid flowers on his
grave. She spent time with many communist party officials and at no
time used her visit to condemn the human rights abuses of the communist
regime or their brutal suppression of religion. Even if the reality
was that she could not make any negative comments during her visit she
could have used her position to make comments and condemnations from
abroad.

4 Mother Teresa had a hard line stance on abortion,
contraception and divorce, except where her Friends were concerned.

Mother Teresa was a hard-line pro-lifer Mother Teresa was a hard-line
pro-lifer

Mother Teresa did not believe in supporting those deciding whether or
not they had to terminate their pregnancies ΓÇô she wanted only to
condemn them whatever their circumstances. When she accepted her Nobel
Prize for Peace she said ΓÇÿAbortion is the worst evil and the greatest
enemy of peace, If a mother can kill her own child, what will prevent us
from killing ourselves or one another? Nothing.ΓÇÖ

Her stance was completely hardline with no exceptions even in the most
mitigating of circumstances. In 1971 the Indo-Pakistan War led to many
atrocities including the rape of over 450,000 Hindu women by Pakistani
soldiers. Rather than supporting them in coming to terms with the
abuse they had suffered or condemning the atrocities perpetrated
against them she chose to speak only on the question of abortion. For
Mother Teresa felt that there should be no choice of whether or not to
keep the babies of such a crime she called, very publicly for the
victims to keep the babies. She held fast to this belief her entire
life; in 1993 she condemned a 14 year old rape victim in Ireland for
seeking an abortion. Indeed she had no problems travelling around the
world specifically to prevent individual cases of abortion and to help
anti-abortion campaigns to influence the government policy on abortion
in many countries around the world.

While no one could question her personal feelings on the sanctity of
life she was not the person suffering in these circumstances, she was
not the person facing the choice and, in the case of the Hindu women
was speaking from a religious view point that was not applicable to
them. Her views were not, however, immutable. When her close friend
Indira Ghandi imposed a state of emergency in India, suspending the
constitution and instituting a reign of terror against her detractors
Mother Teresa publicly supported her. This support did not waiver even
when Indira GhandiΓÇÖs regime started a campaign for the forced
sterilization of the poor.

Mother Teresa was as passionately anti divorce as she was
anti-abortion. She believed that marriages were sanctified by God. At
the time the country was considering legalizing divorce Mother
Teresa wrote to the people of Ireland telling them that ΓÇÿIf a father
and mother are not willing to give until it hurts to be faithful to
each other, and to their children they are not showing their children
what it means to love…These children will grow up to be spiritually
poorΓÇÖ. However, when her good friend Princess Diana obtained her
divorce from Prince Charles Mother Teresa praised the divorce as a good
thing because the love had left the marriage, there was no thought
given to the spiritual poverty in which her children would grow up. No
condemnation as there would have been for an ordinary Irish couple
looking for a divorce.

3 Mother Teresa was rarely in Calcutta preferring to fly
around the world to promote her opinions.

Mother Teresa the real Flying Nun. She'd rather be up in the air than
on the ground in calcutta helping the poor Mother Teresa the real
Flying Nun. SheΓÇÖd rather be up in the air than on the ground in
Calcutta helping the poor

Whether it was anti-abortion campaigning in the US or Japan or
convincing the people of Ireland to vote against the legalization of
divorce Mother Teresa spent a lot of time traveling around the world to
promote her beliefs and the work of her Missionaries of Charity.

She was not well known in Calcutta, she used the poverty of the city as
a background to her work and media image but she spent very little time
interacting with other social or cultural institutions. Even her
spiritual advisor Edward Le Jolly confirmed in his book on Mother
Teresa that she was in Calcutta only infrequently. While away she
would often say she was unhappy to be absent from Calcutta but she
typically would spent time in Rome following a trip abroad instead of
returning directly to India.

2 Mother Teresa liked to be seen to help but provided very
little actual help.

As mentioned above Mother Teresa helped only a fraction of the people
she claimed to have taken from the streets of Calcutta. She liked to
be seen to be present at huge disasters. When the Union Carbide plant
in Bhopal became the site of the largest ever industrial accident in
the world Mother Teresa lost no time in flying down there to be
photographed. On seeing the carnage she exhorted the victims to
forgiveness before starting a tour of the hospitals to ΓÇÿhelpΓÇÖ. She
visited some of the survivors but the Missionaries of Charity failed to
direct any of their extensive funds to the local mission which would
have enabled them to engage in and provide concrete assistance to the
afflicted.

When the 1993 earthquake of Latur killed 8,000 people and left 5m
people homeless Mother Teresa failed to direct any of her Missionaries
of Charity nun or volunteers to help nor did she make any funds
available for re-building although many other charities in India, of
many religious denominations and non, did participate in the relief
effort. Nevertheless Mother Teresa had no difficulty in posing for
photographs showing her presenting the deeds of new houses to some of
the people of Latur. That same year India was struck with an outbreak
of Bubonic Plague. Despite having no involvement in treating the
victims Mother Teresa was photographed entering ΓÇÿquarantineΓÇÖ on arrival
in Rome, the photographs were then sent worldwide to promote the belief
that she had been struggling to help deal with the outbreak.

1 There have been no miracles attributed to Mother Teresa

There is a very strict process that he Catholic Church has to follow in
order to declare someone a saint. Typically investigations cannot
start until five years after a personΓÇÖs death in order for any hysteria
surrounding a much loved person to die down. The Catholic Church
fast-tracked the process of canonization, starting the process within
less than two years of Mother TeresaΓÇÖs death and she was beatified in
2003.

Beatification, the first step to full sainthood requires the
performance of a miracle. In 2002 the Catholic Church recognized that
Mother Teresa had cured an Indian woman of an abdominal tumor a year
after her death after Missionaries of Charity prayed for Mother
TeresaΓÇÖs help and applied a locket with her picture in it to the site
of the tumor.

While the woman believed that Mother Teresa cured her it appears that
her doctors say that she was not suffering from a tumor but from a cyst
which was cured by the medicines prescribed by the local hospital. The
womanΓÇÖs medical notes are in the possession of the Missionaries of
Charity who refuse to release them. Doctors at the local hospital have
claimed to have been subjected to pressure from the Catholic Church to
declare the cure a ΓÇÿmiracleΓÇÖ.

So was Mother Teresa a Saint or was she a hard-nosed public relations
specialist who used her status as a charitable icon to travel the
world, rubbing shoulders with a dubious elite and pushing her own
beliefs on abortion, contraception and divorce (extreme even for the
Catholic Church). Was she an angel of mercy providing tender care to
the poorest of the poor in their last moments of suffering or did she
glorify that suffering and see it as a benefit in and of itself. Did
she help tens of thousands of poor around the world or provide
assistance to a few hundred as a front to her missionary organization?
Has she performed miracles or are ordinary events being manipulated to
make us think she has? What is indisputable is that, in stark contrast
to properly managed and transparent philanthropic institutions, despite
the extensive donations to the Missionaries of Charity, the assistance
they provide is as limited in terms of care and medical aid as it was
when Mother Teresa started her organization. Whatever the truth,
questions should be asked and answers given.

* Katia Winnicka
Any evidence?
+ listland
Check out all the links within the text of the post (now in
bold).
+ OsoBossHogg
donΓÇÖt need any evidence. this is my faith.
o Nicolet Foster
My faith is in the fairy princess riding a unicorn in
space, now disprove it, or it’s real… that is your logic
and that is exactly how crazy you people sound.
* CumExApostolatus
This woman was simply part of the false ecumenical scam perpetrated
on the world, by the elite, in order to help bring about the new
world religion. ThatΓÇÖs why she never actively converted anyone. She
didnΓÇÖt have the Catholic faith and therefore felt no urgency to
teach the faith and convert those willing to be converted. I canΓÇÖt
understand why the adulation for this woman. In this ΓÇÿmedia ageΓÇÖ
people are so easily duped.
* PaulMurrayCbr
Mother Teresa was farming the poor for the ΓÇ£graceΓÇ¥ that their
suffering produced. The people writhing in pain in her ΓÇ£hospitalsΓÇ¥
were basically dairy cows. The grace milked from these people was
used to fill her beatification vat in heaven, as well as for paying
bribes to various ΓÇô shall we say ΓÇô entities.
The money was incidental. The only issue was that it was important
that it not go to updating her so-called hospitals. And pain relief
or medical treatment would have impacted the quality and quantity
of grace she was getting .
+ listland
Whoa. Milked the grace.
* practical intellectual
Seems slated to me. Most of what you say is anti catholic or
unsustainable.
+ listland
Do you mean slanted and unsubstantiated? There are plenty of
sources in the body of the article.
* Shanti-Ananda
Being a child that came from her orphanage and was blessed by her,
you have stepped way out of line!
+ listland
How? Do you disagree with our authorΓÇÖs post? About what
exactly?
* Laurie Mitchell
Great article, thank you. IΓÇÖve been reading the same thing
elsewhere on the internet and am shocked and disappointed with MT.
It all makes sense, and IΓÇÖm just sorry for her victims. You lay out
the facts with sources (plus many other reputable sources agree),
so why is she still so revered???
* fufhertoo .
This article and everything in it is a complete sham perpetuated by
your atheistic hatred of God and religion. How do you attack a
woman who gave her whole life, spent her whole life serving the
poorest of the poor. She was not called to convert the hindus, she
was not called to cure. She was called to love and to let people
that were considered the lowest of the caste system, those deemed
wretched, that were literally left to die in the streets, she
picked those people up and cleaned their wounds and let them die in
a bed with dignity. She was the first, the very first person to
open a hospice in New York City for Aids patients, at a time when
no one would care for them or touch them out of fear for their own
well being. She did not judge these people. She loved these people
as children of God. And if she took money from anyone who you view
as sleazy, then so be it. The money was going to the poor and may
have been the only redeeming act of good will from those of
questionable character that you list. Many of her detractors like
you may be quick to point to her faults, but your kind is never
able to really accomplish anything but stir anger, hatred and
division. Countless charities with no religious affiliation aimed
at working with the poor in Kolkata have come and gone, but the
missionaries of charity remain. Do you wonder why your efforts seem
so fruitless, its because you canΓÇÖt give what you donΓÇÖt have.
Without love, cannit accomplish the miraculous. You are the poorest
of the poor spiritually and blind at that.
+ Barbara Fitzgerald
I agree with you. Mother Teresa never called herself a saint.
In fact she admitted she doubted her faith often. How
wonderful to hear that ΓÇô a real human ΓÇô like the rest of us.
We are all called to be like her. Perhaps not perfect, but
through our struggles always trying to be the person God wants
us to be.
+ Adi
Not providing adequate ΓÇ£medicalΓÇ¥ attention and treatment to
people who could have been cured is criminal abuse. That is
what she did.
o veritas101
Yeah, your right. I suppose she should have just left all
of those people to die in the street abandoned and alone,
according to your logic. We are talking about India, a
third world country with a caste system that has a far
different reality that what we have in the United States.
People in the slums have zero access to clinical
treatment, nor are there enough medical practitioners to
treat all of the ill and dying in these areas. The demand
is greater than what is available and the upper classes
do not mix with the poorest of the poor.
# Adi
I am from India, lived in kolkata, place of theresa.
Half of what you said is factually wrong. Other half
canΓÇÖt justify running natural death camps like
theresa did. She could have atleast given them free
medicines that govt distribute. but no, her ΓÇ£faithΓÇ¥
didnΓÇÖt allow for that. What is the good in bringing
in a curable patient from the streets and then let
him die by not giving medical treatment? Lot of
other NGOs are treating the poor patients
# Scipio Americanus
Sounds just like America with its upper crust elite
and itΓÇÖs lower class common people who cannot afford
the health care that the wealthy believe is there
for them exclusively. Just because the caste system
in India has existed longer does not mean that the
entitled of America do not look upon the lower
classes as beneath them .
+ Rudolph
Well written. Thank you.
* Lee
Not only was Mother Teresa the worlds biggest con artist ,she was
an atheist who lost her faith in religion thirty years before her
death. She lived in luxury except when taking fund raising photos.
+ lorriman
An atheist isnΓÇÖt someone who is either merely doubting or
being tempted to doubt.
ItΓÇÖs not even a non-believer, since they can be simply
agnostic.
o Yenski
Truthfully though, there can never really be a TRUE
atheist either then, as you can never KNOW that there is
no god, scientifically speaking.
# lorriman
For that reason you canΓÇÖt be a reasonable atheist.
There are plenty of atheists claiming mere ΓÇÿlack of
beliefΓÇÖ but then indulging in that gigantic and
inexcusable presumption of labelling religious
belief a delusion, betraying that they do indeed
believe there is no god.
@ Yenski
Wha?
I am an atheist, because I do not believe in a
god. There is no scientific way to PROVE this,
so I have to go with the best science there is,
which shows that it is extremely unlikely.
Science can prove things, but you canΓÇÖt prove
something DOESNΓÇÖT exist. ThereΓÇÖs always a
shadow of a doubt.
- lorriman
Sure, but the proper definition of an
atheist is ΓÇ£To deny the gods/godΓÇ¥, which
is a belief that there isnΓÇÖt a god. So
youΓÇÖre not really an atheist, unless you
believe the muddle of definitions in
Wikipedia, of course. 🙂 The OED also
recently inserted ΓÇÿto disbelieveΓÇÖ in to
their definition so its a bit of a screw
up. Historically, and atheist was defined
as positively believing there was no god.
Since there are only three states in
respect of a god ΓÇô belief that there is
one, lack of belief, belief that there
isnΓÇÖt one -that made sense. Else there is
no functional word for those who believe
that there is no god.
= Yenski
a┬╖the┬╖ist
??TH??st/
noun
noun: atheist; plural noun: atheists
a person who disbelieves or lacks
belief in the existence of God or
gods.
I see nothing about the need to PROVE
that there isnΓÇÖt a god.
* lorriman
Judging people by standards they donΓÇÖt recognise and would, indeed,
reject, and that retrospectively, is pretty silly.
Or simple presumption: ΓÇ£Mother Teresa had a hard line stance on
abortion, contraception and divorce, except where her Friends were
concerned.ΓÇ¥
….with a slur using Indira Ghandi and presuming on the facts and
details, none supplied, that is highly presumptive.
* stargazeman
More Hillary Clinton, Left Wing rooted Hate towards all things
Mother Teresa…they hate the good Mother because she hated abortion
and preached Christianity…the two no no’s of all things Left and
Loony…that bunch is evil, awful and I have unfriended, in person,
all who are of that persuassion…they’re just that far gone, like
Jesse Jackson says “No Hope with the Dope”…go away you evil people

btw, leftists give very very little of their own money, time, or
energy towards anyone or thing outside of their own domains.
Remember that when you read these kinds of stories….
+ Canis Dirus
IΓÇÖm an Independent, and I invite you to disprove what the
article says. ItΓÇÖs pretty accurate.
* Noelle Obcarskas
why is there a picture of a medic covered in blood smiling and
rubbing his hands together ? is this just a picture intending us to
think that is how mother teresa thought and acted ? seems the
picture is just a strong reminder of the MOTIVE of the article…to
discredit and make out someone who spoke out for the poor to make
us all more aware since we all live in comforts ourselves in
comparison..was actually someone who CREATED and promoted suffering
rather than givving dying people a loving hand to hold..in
circumstances that not even that was on offer otherwise. to me…that
picture is horrible..a medic covered in blood rubbing their hands
and madly smiling…a picture tells a thousand words…
+ Yankie
Come on, itΓÇÖs just a picture, stick to the FACTS and stop
trying to defend Agnes Gonxha Bojaxhiu!
* Bindu Puthur Simon
haha.. funny article and captions.. just focused only on creating
defaming news based on imagination. I would add one more.. she used
to kill people at midnight. why dont you add?
* Tath_Ngui
Misogyny acquires so many forms. None of these critics ever lifted
a hand to help a soul in need. These idiots, mostly men are
intimidated by a ferocious four feet five little lady whose vision
transformed and still transforms the lives of millions. She lived
by her values, her faith, her bold courage and capacity to speak
truth to power in the kindest most gentle ways. The worst form of
bullies also wait for their target to die. How pathetic!
+ Yenski
Actually, if you can read before judging, you will see that
OFTEN, people donated time and money to these natural
disasters through Mother TeresaΓÇÖs charity, only to have little
of it actually used. All she did was embezzle. Her charity
didnΓÇÖt MAKE money. How would it? People in the area werenΓÇÖt
even Christians for the most part.
The church is canonizing her because they too gain from
promoting her image. That, and she spread Christianity like a
cancer into India, despite their earlier implied resistance.
o The Whalens
Actually, if YOU can read before judging, you would KNOW
that if everyone followed the TEN COMMANDMENTS, and aimed
to live their lives like that of Christ, this world would
have very few problems. But, youΓÇÖre not interested in
solving the worldΓÇÖs problems are you, Yenski? In your
twisted mind, doing such a thing would mean an end to
your freedom. To live like Christ is to be FREE FROM SIN,
not the other way around.
# BunnyLuv Mac
To live like the Christ would be to be a vegan
animal rights activist. Read Genesis regarding diet
and all the old books not in the Bible to see His
love for animals. Are YOU a vegan animal rights
activist?
# Yenski
To "live like Christ" as you put it, would mean
following a lot of laws that you yourself donΓÇÖt
follow. Because they are stupid, outdated, and
ill-conceived.
What example of following the ten-commandments do
you have that would lead us to a better world? There
is no mention that rape, slavery, torture or
kidnapping are bad in this first of ten
commandments. They also say nothing of love or
charity. Remember that they are shown TWICE in the
bible, but are different each time, unless you
believe Matthew (Matthew 19:18-Matthew 19:19 6
commandments) Mark (Mark 10:19 6 commandments) or
Luke (Luke 18:20 5 commandments). Either way, the
second set of tablets is, while described as
identical, completely different.
Assuming the most well-known is correct, letΓÇÖs
presume my grandparents were Christians, but my
parents were atheists. Where would that put me in
God's plan? Am I one of the thousands of generations
to be praised, or one of the four generations to be
shunned?
Keeping the Sabbath holy how is this to be taken
into account for leap years and such? Am I to eat
only unleavened bread during this time or not?
Lastly, the church you pray in. Do you use unhewn
stones? I thought the use of tooled stone would make
it a defilement when you burned your sheep goats and
cattle, which were prescribed as the ONLY good
offerings to the lord.

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10 Misconceptions about Mother Teresa; She was no Saint

yep she was a bad person.
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Bullshit. She was a saint.

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10 Misconceptions about Mother Teresa; She was no Saint

How was she NOT a Saint?
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10 Misconceptions about Mother Teresa; She was no Saint

By listland -
February 18, 2015

Top 10 Reasons Mother Teresa Was No Saint: 10 Misconceptions about
Mother Teresa

Mother Teresa known and celebrated worldwide as the Albanian Nun who
received a calling to work with the poor in the slums of Calcutta.
Even now, many years after her death, her name is synonymous with
charity, with love and care of the poor. She was honored with the
Nobel Prize for Peace and, shortly after her death the Vatican started
an accelerated process for her canonization.

Significant controversy surrounds her life and her missionary work.
Here we list the top 10 reasons why Mother Teresa was not a saint and
why claims about her life and work should be treated with caution.

10 Mother Teresa’s Home for the Dying provides abysmal medical
care.

Mother Teresa was no saint because her home for the dying provided
terrible medical care Mother Teresa was no saint because her home for
the dying provided terrible medical care

Mother Teresa received a vision from God telling her to help the poor
while living among them. Following some very basic medical training
Mother Teresa started to look after the ‘poorest among the poor’.,
those who were dying, destitute on the streets in the slums of
Calcutta. In 1952 her Missionaries of Charity organization started
her Kalighat Home for the Dying – a place where people could come to
die in dignity and comfort. She wanted to make it possible for ‘people
who lived like animals to die like angels – loved and wanted’.

When qualified doctors visited the home, however they found that the
medical care provided was very poor. Most of the volunteers had no
medical knowledge and yet had to make medical decisions because there
were no doctors available. There was no distinction made between those
who were suffering from curable and incurable illnesses so people who
might have survived had they been given access to treatment were left
to die. Needles were re-used so many times that they became blunt and
they were not sterilized between uses. In 1981 when the state of care
in her facilities was challenged she said ‘There is something beautiful
in seeing the poor accept their lot, to suffer it like Christ’s
Passion. The world gains much from their suffering’. This shows a
very cynical use of the poor to further the ends of others.

There was no proper pain management, meaning people suffered in
needless pain while they died. Mother Teresa promoted this suffering
as she felt that it was of benefit to suffer in this world for a better
life in heaven. She is reputed to have once told someone dying in pain
‘you are suffering, that means Jesus is kissing you’. It is not known
whether the sufferer was even Christian but probably not, he screamed
back, in pain and distressed ‘tell your Jesus to stop kissing me’.

With regard to her own medical treatment Mother Teresa received only
the best. Although she made public shows of declining free high
quality medical treatment she nevertheless had no compunctions about
secretly accepting medical care from some of the best institutions in
the world including having cataract surgery and having a pace maker
installed. When the time came for her to be ‘kissed by Jesus’ she did
not die in one of her own homes for the dying and was not treated with
blunt needles. She passed to meet her maker in the very best
of medical facilities.

9 Mother Teresa’s goal was missionary work not helping the
poor.
Mother Teresa would rather be a missionary rather than help poor people
Mother Teresa would rather be a missionary rather than help poor people

Despite the extensive donations to Mother Teresa’s homes only a few
hundred people are helped at any one time. At the time she accepted
her Nobel Prize for Peace Mother Teresa claimed to have helped about
36,000 people in Calcutta, the reality is that the Missionaries of
Charity have helped about 5-700 people. A survey of charitable
organizations operating in Calcutta in 1998 did not even rank her homes
in the top 200. Some of the Missionaries of Charity homes are used, not
to treat people but to try to persuade them to convert to Catholicism.

There have been well documented cases of people trying to access the
services of Mother Teresa’s house for the dying but being turned away.
In one instance in 1979, shortly before the Nobel Peace Prize ceremony,
a well-known Calcuttan intellectual, Jyotirmoy Datta, tried to obtain
the assistance of the House of the Dying for a destitute he found on
the street. He spoke to Mother Teresa herself who refused to help.

Mother Teresa’s organization received and receives extensive donations
which would enable them to transform the homes for the dying into
modern, clean hospices that provide a decent level of palliative care.
Mother Teresa was not, however, interested in mitigating suffering so
much as celebrating it. As such she concentrated on opening new
Missionaries of Charity convents and homes in many different locations
around the world as opposed to channeling its extensive funds into
their existing homes for the benefit of the people they claimed to be
trying to help.

8 Mother Teresa’s Missionaries of Charity baptized the dying
without their permission.
Mother Teresa's minions baptized people without their permission Mother
Teresa’s minions baptized people without their permission

The Missionaries of Charity operate in Calcutta where the majority of
people are Hindu or Muslim. Mother Teresa claimed that the
Missionaries of Charity gave the dying the rituals of their faith.

However, in 1992, on a visit to the Vatican she claimed that she and
her sisters gave the dying a special ‘Ticket to St Peter’ by baptizing
them. In essence all who were dying (and probably in pain, incoherent
and incapable of making a rational decision) were asked if they wanted
a blessing, their sins forgiven and to see God. It is not clear if
this offer was worded so as to make it clear that the offer came with
regard to the Christian God or if the offer was made at the same time
that they were given the comforts of their own faith. Most people
agreed to this forgiveness, their head was then covered in a wet cloth
and the formula for adult baptism repeated very quietly

To impose a religion on someone, to convert them covertly is not the
actions of a saint. Surely if someone’s mortal soul is in peril it
would be better to arrange for instruction in the religion and allow
people to come to their faith naturally.

7 Mother Teresa’s Missionaries of Charity Organization has
shady finances

Mother Teresa's finances allegedly were not above board Mother Teresa’s
finances allegedly were not above board

Under Indian Law all charities are required to publish their accounts
but the Missionaries of Charity have never complied with this
requirement. In Germany, when the Missionaries of Charity were asked
how much money they had they responded that ‘it’s nobody’s business’

In New York a former Sister with the Missionaries of Charity said that
in one year the organization banked $50million, she thought that the
organization’s receipts worldwide would amount to somewhere in
the region of $100m annually.

There equally appears to be no record of expenditures made by the
Missionaries of Charity, indeed wherever possible they rely on
donations – of food, clothing, buildings etc to cover their start up
and operating costs. It appears that a significant portion of the
monies were deposited at the Vatican Bank in Rome and not used to
improve the houses of the dying, the orphanages or other charitable
operations of the order. Saving not spending money appears to have
been a goal in itself even when the money was plentiful and could have
been used to ameliorate suffering and improve conditions for those
living in the very worst of conditions. New missions are given start
up assistance from the order but are then expected to be
completely self –sufficient.

Many philanthropic organizations exist in order to use money to improve
the life of others. The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is a typical
example. It uses its funds to help improve the lives that people lead,
regardless of where they are or how they worship – the foundation is
predicated on the belief that every life has equal value. Its finances
are properly regulated, transparent and applied effectively. Unlike
the Missionaries of Charity who hide away their money and promote
suffering as noble, admirable philanthropic organizations like the Bill
and Melinda Gates Foundation help people to make the most of the life
they have.

6 Mother Teresa took money from known fraudsters and refused
to refund it – even when this refusal caused real harm to innocent
people.

Mother Teresa was happy to accept donations from any source – even when
the source in question was a reprehensible con-man. She received
significant donations from Charles Keating, a leading American catholic
and anti-pornography protestor who was convicted and imprisoned for
fraud when his Savings and Loan Association collapsed leaving 23,000
investors with worthless bonds and from Robert Maxwell who stole £450m
from the pension fund of his employees. Although it appears that she
was not aware of their activities prior to the scandals association
with the men she showed little concern for the suffering their actions
caused; she believed that the donation of funds could salve the
conscience of those who donated them.

Mother Teresa wrote to the judge requesting leniency for Keating
because he had made donations to the Missionaries of Charity. The
Deputy District Attorney wrote to her explaining exactly what Keating
had done in defrauding small investors of their life savings. Mother
Teresa refused to reply to that letter. Sadly because of the shady
finances of her organization it is impossible to tell whether the money
was put to good use which would at least provide some small comfort to
the people whose lives were ruined. From the poor conditions in her
House of the Dying and the lack of support given to missions worldwide
it would seem these people lost their money for no good reason.

5 As well as consorting with fraudsters Mother Teresa was
friends with the leaders of some of the most reprehensible political
regimes in the world.

Mother Teresa associated with really shady characters. Duvalier regime
in Haiti. Mother Teresa associated with really shady characters.
Duvalier regime in Haiti.

Mother Teresa was an admirer of the Duvalier regime in Haiti. The rule
of ‘Papa’ and ‘Baby’ Doc was known, worldwide, to be brutally
oppressive and incredibly cruel to the people of the impoverished
country. Both were known to live a lavish lifestyle at the expense of
the people of Haiti, to allow the torture and murder of their
detractors and to be involved in the underground trade in both drugs
and body parts. Nevertheless Mother Teresa had no compunctions about
accepting an award from Baby Doc and to say of the Duvaliers that they
‘love their poor and their love was reciprocated.’

Mother Teresa did not confine her controversial actions to Haiti. When
she returned to her homeland of Albania in 1989 she visited the widow
of the former communist Dictator Enver Hoxha and laid flowers on his
grave. She spent time with many communist party officials and at no
time used her visit to condemn the human rights abuses of the communist
regime or their brutal suppression of religion. Even if the reality
was that she could not make any negative comments during her visit she
could have used her position to make comments and condemnations from
abroad.

4 Mother Teresa had a hard line stance on abortion,
contraception and divorce, except where her Friends were concerned.

Mother Teresa was a hard-line pro-lifer Mother Teresa was a hard-line
pro-lifer

Mother Teresa did not believe in supporting those deciding whether or
not they had to terminate their pregnancies – she wanted only to
condemn them whatever their circumstances. When she accepted her Nobel
Prize for Peace she said ‘Abortion is the worst evil and the greatest
enemy of peace, If a mother can kill her own child, what will prevent us
from killing ourselves or one another? Nothing.’

Her stance was completely hardline with no exceptions even in the most
mitigating of circumstances. In 1971 the Indo-Pakistan War led to many
atrocities including the rape of over 450,000 Hindu women by Pakistani
soldiers. Rather than supporting them in coming to terms with the
abuse they had suffered or condemning the atrocities perpetrated
against them she chose to speak only on the question of abortion. For
Mother Teresa felt that there should be no choice of whether or not to
keep the babies of such a crime she called, very publicly for the
victims to keep the babies. She held fast to this belief her entire
life; in 1993 she condemned a 14 year old rape victim in Ireland for
seeking an abortion. Indeed she had no problems travelling around the
world specifically to prevent individual cases of abortion and to help
anti-abortion campaigns to influence the government policy on abortion
in many countries around the world.

While no one could question her personal feelings on the sanctity of
life she was not the person suffering in these circumstances, she was
not the person facing the choice and, in the case of the Hindu women
was speaking from a religious view point that was not applicable to
them. Her views were not, however, immutable. When her close friend
Indira Ghandi imposed a state of emergency in India, suspending the
constitution and instituting a reign of terror against her detractors
Mother Teresa publicly supported her. This support did not waiver even
when Indira Ghandi’s regime started a campaign for the forced
sterilization of the poor.

Mother Teresa was as passionately anti divorce as she was
anti-abortion. She believed that marriages were sanctified by God. At
the time the country was considering legalizing divorce Mother
Teresa wrote to the people of Ireland telling them that ‘If a father
and mother are not willing to give until it hurts to be faithful to
each other, and to their children they are not showing their children
what it means to love…These children will grow up to be spiritually
poor’. However, when her good friend Princess Diana obtained her
divorce from Prince Charles Mother Teresa praised the divorce as a good
thing because the love had left the marriage, there was no thought
given to the spiritual poverty in which her children would grow up. No
condemnation as there would have been for an ordinary Irish couple
looking for a divorce.

3 Mother Teresa was rarely in Calcutta preferring to fly
around the world to promote her opinions.

Mother Teresa the real Flying Nun. She'd rather be up in the air than
on the ground in calcutta helping the poor Mother Teresa the real
Flying Nun. She’d rather be up in the air than on the ground in
Calcutta helping the poor

Whether it was anti-abortion campaigning in the US or Japan or
convincing the people of Ireland to vote against the legalization of
divorce Mother Teresa spent a lot of time traveling around the world to
promote her beliefs and the work of her Missionaries of Charity.

She was not well known in Calcutta, she used the poverty of the city as
a background to her work and media image but she spent very little time
interacting with other social or cultural institutions. Even her
spiritual advisor Edward Le Jolly confirmed in his book on Mother
Teresa that she was in Calcutta only infrequently. While away she
would often say she was unhappy to be absent from Calcutta but she
typically would spent time in Rome following a trip abroad instead of
returning directly to India.

2 Mother Teresa liked to be seen to help but provided very
little actual help.

As mentioned above Mother Teresa helped only a fraction of the people
she claimed to have taken from the streets of Calcutta. She liked to
be seen to be present at huge disasters. When the Union Carbide plant
in Bhopal became the site of the largest ever industrial accident in
the world Mother Teresa lost no time in flying down there to be
photographed. On seeing the carnage she exhorted the victims to
forgiveness before starting a tour of the hospitals to ‘help’. She
visited some of the survivors but the Missionaries of Charity failed to
direct any of their extensive funds to the local mission which would
have enabled them to engage in and provide concrete assistance to the
afflicted.

When the 1993 earthquake of Latur killed 8,000 people and left 5m
people homeless Mother Teresa failed to direct any of her Missionaries
of Charity nun or volunteers to help nor did she make any funds
available for re-building although many other charities in India, of
many religious denominations and non, did participate in the relief
effort. Nevertheless Mother Teresa had no difficulty in posing for
photographs showing her presenting the deeds of new houses to some of
the people of Latur. That same year India was struck with an outbreak
of Bubonic Plague. Despite having no involvement in treating the
victims Mother Teresa was photographed entering ‘quarantine’ on arrival
in Rome, the photographs were then sent worldwide to promote the belief
that she had been struggling to help deal with the outbreak.

1 There have been no miracles attributed to Mother Teresa

There is a very strict process that he Catholic Church has to follow in
order to declare someone a saint. Typically investigations cannot
start until five years after a person’s death in order for any hysteria
surrounding a much loved person to die down. The Catholic Church
fast-tracked the process of canonization, starting the process within
less than two years of Mother Teresa’s death and she was beatified in
2003.

Beatification, the first step to full sainthood requires the
performance of a miracle. In 2002 the Catholic Church recognized that
Mother Teresa had cured an Indian woman of an abdominal tumor a year
after her death after Missionaries of Charity prayed for Mother
Teresa’s help and applied a locket with her picture in it to the site
of the tumor.

While the woman believed that Mother Teresa cured her it appears that
her doctors say that she was not suffering from a tumor but from a cyst
which was cured by the medicines prescribed by the local hospital. The
woman’s medical notes are in the possession of the Missionaries of
Charity who refuse to release them. Doctors at the local hospital have
claimed to have been subjected to pressure from the Catholic Church to
declare the cure a ‘miracle’.

So was Mother Teresa a Saint or was she a hard-nosed public relations
specialist who used her status as a charitable icon to travel the
world, rubbing shoulders with a dubious elite and pushing her own
beliefs on abortion, contraception and divorce (extreme even for the
Catholic Church). Was she an angel of mercy providing tender care to
the poorest of the poor in their last moments of suffering or did she
glorify that suffering and see it as a benefit in and of itself. Did
she help tens of thousands of poor around the world or provide
assistance to a few hundred as a front to her missionary organization?
Has she performed miracles or are ordinary events being manipulated to
make us think she has? What is indisputable is that, in stark contrast
to properly managed and transparent philanthropic institutions, despite
the extensive donations to the Missionaries of Charity, the assistance
they provide is as limited in terms of care and medical aid as it was
when Mother Teresa started her organization. Whatever the truth,
questions should be asked and answers given.

* Katia Winnicka
Any evidence?
+ listland
Check out all the links within the text of the post (now in
bold).
+ OsoBossHogg
don’t need any evidence. this is my faith.
o Nicolet Foster
My faith is in the fairy princess riding a unicorn in
space, now disprove it, or it’s real… that is your logic
and that is exactly how crazy you people sound.
* CumExApostolatus
This woman was simply part of the false ecumenical scam perpetrated
on the world, by the elite, in order to help bring about the new
world religion. That’s why she never actively converted anyone. She
didn’t have the Catholic faith and therefore felt no urgency to
teach the faith and convert those willing to be converted. I can’t
understand why the adulation for this woman. In this ‘media age’
people are so easily duped.
* PaulMurrayCbr
Mother Teresa was farming the poor for the “grace” that their
suffering produced. The people writhing in pain in her “hospitals”
were basically dairy cows. The grace milked from these people was
used to fill her beatification vat in heaven, as well as for paying
bribes to various – shall we say – entities.
The money was incidental. The only issue was that it was important
that it not go to updating her so-called hospitals. And pain relief
or medical treatment would have impacted the quality and quantity
of grace she was getting .
+ listland
Whoa. Milked the grace.
* practical intellectual
Seems slated to me. Most of what you say is anti catholic or
unsustainable.
+ listland
Do you mean slanted and unsubstantiated? There are plenty of
sources in the body of the article.
* Shanti-Ananda
Being a child that came from her orphanage and was blessed by her,
you have stepped way out of line!
+ listland
How? Do you disagree with our author’s post? About what
exactly?
* Laurie Mitchell
Great article, thank you. I’ve been reading the same thing
elsewhere on the internet and am shocked and disappointed with MT.
It all makes sense, and I’m just sorry for her victims. You lay out
the facts with sources (plus many other reputable sources agree),
so why is she still so revered???
* fufhertoo .
This article and everything in it is a complete sham perpetuated by
your atheistic hatred of God and religion. How do you attack a
woman who gave her whole life, spent her whole life serving the
poorest of the poor. She was not called to convert the hindus, she
was not called to cure. She was called to love and to let people
that were considered the lowest of the caste system, those deemed
wretched, that were literally left to die in the streets, she
picked those people up and cleaned their wounds and let them die in
a bed with dignity. She was the first, the very first person to
open a hospice in New York City for Aids patients, at a time when
no one would care for them or touch them out of fear for their own
well being. She did not judge these people. She loved these people
as children of God. And if she took money from anyone who you view
as sleazy, then so be it. The money was going to the poor and may
have been the only redeeming act of good will from those of
questionable character that you list. Many of her detractors like
you may be quick to point to her faults, but your kind is never
able to really accomplish anything but stir anger, hatred and
division. Countless charities with no religious affiliation aimed
at working with the poor in Kolkata have come and gone, but the
missionaries of charity remain. Do you wonder why your efforts seem
so fruitless, its because you can’t give what you don’t have.
Without love, cannit accomplish the miraculous. You are the poorest
of the poor spiritually and blind at that.
+ Barbara Fitzgerald
I agree with you. Mother Teresa never called herself a saint.
In fact she admitted she doubted her faith often. How
wonderful to hear that – a real human – like the rest of us.
We are all called to be like her. Perhaps not perfect, but
through our struggles always trying to be the person God wants
us to be.
+ Adi
Not providing adequate “medical” attention and treatment to
people who could have been cured is criminal abuse. That is
what she did.
o veritas101
Yeah, your right. I suppose she should have just left all
of those people to die in the street abandoned and alone,
according to your logic. We are talking about India, a
third world country with a caste system that has a far
different reality that what we have in the United States.
People in the slums have zero access to clinical
treatment, nor are there enough medical practitioners to
treat all of the ill and dying in these areas. The demand
is greater than what is available and the upper classes
do not mix with the poorest of the poor.
# Adi
I am from India, lived in kolkata, place of theresa.
Half of what you said is factually wrong. Other half
can’t justify running natural death camps like
theresa did. She could have atleast given them free
medicines that govt distribute. but no, her “faith”
didn’t allow for that. What is the good in bringing
in a curable patient from the streets and then let
him die by not giving medical treatment? Lot of
other NGOs are treating the poor patients
# Scipio Americanus
Sounds just like America with its upper crust elite
and it’s lower class common people who cannot afford
the health care that the wealthy believe is there
for them exclusively. Just because the caste system
in India has existed longer does not mean that the
entitled of America do not look upon the lower
classes as beneath them .
+ Rudolph
Well written. Thank you.
* Lee
Not only was Mother Teresa the worlds biggest con artist ,she was
an atheist who lost her faith in religion thirty years before her
death. She lived in luxury except when taking fund raising photos.
+ lorriman
An atheist isn’t someone who is either merely doubting or
being tempted to doubt.
It’s not even a non-believer, since they can be simply
agnostic.
o Yenski
Truthfully though, there can never really be a TRUE
atheist either then, as you can never KNOW that there is
no god, scientifically speaking.
# lorriman
For that reason you can’t be a reasonable atheist.
There are plenty of atheists claiming mere ‘lack of
belief’ but then indulging in that gigantic and
inexcusable presumption of labelling religious
belief a delusion, betraying that they do indeed
believe there is no god.
@ Yenski
Wha?
I am an atheist, because I do not believe in a
god. There is no scientific way to PROVE this,
so I have to go with the best science there is,
which shows that it is extremely unlikely.
Science can prove things, but you can’t prove
something DOESN’T exist. There’s always a
shadow of a doubt.
- lorriman
Sure, but the proper definition of an
atheist is “To deny the gods/god”, which
is a belief that there isn’t a god. So
you’re not really an atheist, unless you
believe the muddle of definitions in
Wikipedia, of course. 🙂 The OED also
recently inserted ‘to disbelieve’ in to
their definition so its a bit of a screw
up. Historically, and atheist was defined
as positively believing there was no god.
Since there are only three states in
respect of a god – belief that there is
one, lack of belief, belief that there
isn’t one -that made sense. Else there is
no functional word for those who believe
that there is no god.
= Yenski
a·the·ist
??TH??st/
noun
noun: atheist; plural noun: atheists
a person who disbelieves or lacks
belief in the existence of God or
gods.
I see nothing about the need to PROVE
that there isn’t a god.
* lorriman
Judging people by standards they don’t recognise and would, indeed,
reject, and that retrospectively, is pretty silly.
Or simple presumption: “Mother Teresa had a hard line stance on
abortion, contraception and divorce, except where her Friends were
concerned.”
….with a slur using Indira Ghandi and presuming on the facts and
details, none supplied, that is highly presumptive.
* stargazeman
More Hillary Clinton, Left Wing rooted Hate towards all things
Mother Teresa…they hate the good Mother because she hated abortion
and preached Christianity…the two no no’s of all things Left and
Loony…that bunch is evil, awful and I have unfriended, in person,
all who are of that persuassion…they’re just that far gone, like
Jesse Jackson says “No Hope with the Dope”…go away you evil people

btw, leftists give very very little of their own money, time, or
energy towards anyone or thing outside of their own domains.
Remember that when you read these kinds of stories….
+ Canis Dirus
I’m an Independent, and I invite you to disprove what the
article says. It’s pretty accurate.
* Noelle Obcarskas
why is there a picture of a medic covered in blood smiling and
rubbing his hands together ? is this just a picture intending us to
think that is how mother teresa thought and acted ? seems the
picture is just a strong reminder of the MOTIVE of the article…to
discredit and make out someone who spoke out for the poor to make
us all more aware since we all live in comforts ourselves in
comparison..was actually someone who CREATED and promoted suffering
rather than givving dying people a loving hand to hold..in
circumstances that not even that was on offer otherwise. to me…that
picture is horrible..a medic covered in blood rubbing their hands
and madly smiling…a picture tells a thousand words…
+ Yankie
Come on, it’s just a picture, stick to the FACTS and stop
trying to defend Agnes Gonxha Bojaxhiu!
* Bindu Puthur Simon
haha.. funny article and captions.. just focused only on creating
defaming news based on imagination. I would add one more.. she used
to kill people at midnight. why dont you add?
* Tath_Ngui
Misogyny acquires so many forms. None of these critics ever lifted
a hand to help a soul in need. These idiots, mostly men are
intimidated by a ferocious four feet five little lady whose vision
transformed and still transforms the lives of millions. She lived
by her values, her faith, her bold courage and capacity to speak
truth to power in the kindest most gentle ways. The worst form of
bullies also wait for their target to die. How pathetic!
+ Yenski
Actually, if you can read before judging, you will see that
OFTEN, people donated time and money to these natural
disasters through Mother Teresa’s charity, only to have little
of it actually used. All she did was embezzle. Her charity
didn’t MAKE money. How would it? People in the area weren’t
even Christians for the most part.
The church is canonizing her because they too gain from
promoting her image. That, and she spread Christianity like a
cancer into India, despite their earlier implied resistance.
o The Whalens
Actually, if YOU can read before judging, you would KNOW
that if everyone followed the TEN COMMANDMENTS, and aimed
to live their lives like that of Christ, this world would
have very few problems. But, you’re not interested in
solving the world’s problems are you, Yenski? In your
twisted mind, doing such a thing would mean an end to
your freedom. To live like Christ is to be FREE FROM SIN,
not the other way around.
# BunnyLuv Mac
To live like the Christ would be to be a vegan
animal rights activist. Read Genesis regarding diet
and all the old books not in the Bible to see His
love for animals. Are YOU a vegan animal rights
activist?
# Yenski
To "live like Christ" as you put it, would mean
following a lot of laws that you yourself don’t
follow. Because they are stupid, outdated, and
ill-conceived.
What example of following the ten-commandments do
you have that would lead us to a better world? There
is no mention that rape, slavery, torture or
kidnapping are bad in this first of ten
commandments. They also say nothing of love or
charity. Remember that they are shown TWICE in the
bible, but are different each time, unless you
believe Matthew (Matthew 19:18-Matthew 19:19 6
commandments) Mark (Mark 10:19 6 commandments) or
Luke (Luke 18:20 5 commandments). Either way, the
second set of tablets is, while described as
identical, completely different.
Assuming the most well-known is correct, let’s
presume my grandparents were Christians, but my
parents were atheists. Where would that put me in
God's plan? Am I one of the thousands of generations
to be praised, or one of the four generations to be
shunned?
Keeping the Sabbath holy how is this to be taken
into account for leap years and such? Am I to eat
only unleavened bread during this time or not?
Lastly, the church you pray in. Do you use unhewn
stones? I thought the use of tooled stone would make
it a defilement when you burned your sheep goats and
cattle, which were prescribed as the ONLY good
offerings to the lord.

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"Mother Teresa was as passionately anti divorce" Duh, In Catholicism
divorce is not allowed, only under certain circumstances. Like really.
This post is a load of bs. Just hate, that's all it is.

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Re: Re: Mother Theresa was no saint
By: Darkages to Gryphon on Fri Nov 18 2016 06:55 pm

10 Misconceptions about Mother Teresa; She was no Saint

How was she NOT a Saint?

I guess you didn't read the article.

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On 2016-09-15 11:57 AM, Gryphon wrote:

10 Misconceptions about Mother Teresa; She was no Saint

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Bullshit. She was a saint.

Settle down.

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Re: Mother Theresa was no saint
By: Gryphon to Meh on Fri Nov 18 2016 03:46 pm

I guess you didn't read the article.

Obviously you like to copy and paste bullshit from Google.
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Re: Re: Mother Theresa was no saint
By: Darkages to Gryphon on Fri Nov 18 2016 06:55 pm

On 2016-09-15 11:57 AM, Gryphon wrote:

10 Misconceptions about Mother Teresa; She was no Saint

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Bullshit. She was a saint.

she was a devil on earth.
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Re: Mother Theresa was no saint
By: Gryphon to Meh on Fri Nov 18 2016 03:46 pm

On 11/18/16, Meh said the following...

Re: Re: Mother Theresa was no saint
By: Darkages to Gryphon on Fri Nov 18 2016 06:55 pm

10 Misconceptions about Mother Teresa; She was no Saint

How was she NOT a Saint?

I guess you didn't read the article.

also this shit is from last summer
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Re: Mother Theresa was no saint
By: Gryphon to Meh on Fri Nov 18 2016 03:46 pm

I guess you didn't read the article.

Obviously you like to copy and paste bullshit from Google.

You obviously don't know how google works. This is a huffington post article.

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Re: Mother Theresa was no saint
By: Knightmare to Meh on Sat Nov 19 2016 01:28 am

So if they didn't copy/paste, how would anyone have seen it? ESP? I don't think Synchronet has that function. No, I'm pretty damn sure it doesn't.

you can go a text upload with synchronet.
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Re: Mother Theresa was no saint
By: Gryphon to Meh on Sat Nov 19 2016 06:17 pm

You obviously don't know how google works. This is a huffington post articl

Ahhh,the Huffington Post is about as legitimate a news source as The Weekly World News. Nice try.
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Re: Mother Theresa was no saint
By: Meh to Gryphon on Sun Nov 20 2016 03:27 am

You obviously don't know how google works. This is a huffington post articl

Ahhh,the Huffington Post is about as legitimate a news source as The Weekly World News. Nice try.

ralph, there have been a lot of personal accounts from mother theresa.

she let people rot and die. she let them suffer to be closer to god. she didnt let people's families visit. she had communist ties.

it's all out there, seriously. she was a devil of a person.
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Re: Mother Theresa was no saint
By: Gryphon to Meh on Sat Nov 19 2016 06:17 pm

You obviously don't know how google works. This is a huffington post a

Ahhh,the Huffington Post is about as legitimate a news source as The Weekly World News. Nice try.

Yeah, I'm sure that to you, if it's not from infowars.com or alex jones, it must be crap.

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Re: Mother Theresa was no saint
By: Gryphon to Meh on Sat Nov 19 2016 06:17 pm

You obviously don't know how google works. This is a huffington post articl

Ahhh,the Huffington Post is about as legitimate a news source as The Weekly >World News. Nice try.
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On 11/21/16, Deavmi said the following...

Re: Mother Theresa was no saint
By: Gryphon to Meh on Sat Nov 19 2016 06:17 pm

You obviously don't know how google works. This is a huffington post

Ahhh,the Huffington Post is about as legitimate a news source as The Week >World News. Nice try.
Ralph Smole,Sysop.
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HuffPost is absolute trash for lib-tards. False information and outright lies.

LOL! I guess we know where you land on the issue.

But that was only one article about MT and her antics.

https://mukto-mona.com/Articles/mother_teresa/sanal_ed.htm

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2016/09/sadistic-religi ous-fanatic-mother-teresa-was-no-saint/

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/31/asia/mother-teresa-controversies/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/02/25/why-to-many-critic s-mother-teresa-is-still-no-saint/

http://all-that-is-interesting.com/mother-teresa-saint

http://web.archive.org/web/20160401151627/http://www.nouvelles.umontreal.ca/ude m-news/news/20130301-mother-teresa-anything-but-a-saint.html

Should I find an Alex Jones article on the subject? Would that satisfy you?

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On 2016-11-21 11:10 AM, Gryphon wrote:

On 11/20/16, Meh said the following...

Re: Mother Theresa was no saint
By: Gryphon to Meh on Sat Nov 19 2016 06:17 pm

You obviously don't know how google works. This is a huffington post a

Ahhh,the Huffington Post is about as legitimate a news source as The Weekly World News. Nice try.

Yeah, I'm sure that to you, if it's not from infowars.com or alex jones, it must be crap.

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Re: Re: Mother Theresa was no saint
By: Deavmi to Gryphon on Mon Nov 21 2016 18:09:40

Nah. Huffinton Post is just a shitty news company.

Is even acceptable to mention HuffPo and the word "news" in the same sentence?

I get my news from many sources, some better than others. HuffPo seems to be where liberals go to stroke one another without the nasty real world intruding on their delusions.

Speaking of delusions, I also tend to avoid InfoWars. After all, we all know that it was the chemtrails from flying saucers that made Elvis shoot JFK from the grassy knoll. This isnt common knowledge because it has been suppressed by the Illuminati and the CFR using the HAARP facility.

I will leave you all with the reminder that "it isn't the vote that counts, but who counts the votes".

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Re: Re: Mother Theresa was no saint
By: Loco to Deavmi on Fri Dec 09 2016 11:06 pm

Re: Re: Mother Theresa was no saint
By: Deavmi to Gryphon on Mon Nov 21 2016 18:09:40

Nah. Huffinton Post is just a shitty news company.

Is even acceptable to mention HuffPo and the word "news" in the same sentence?

I get my news from many sources, some better than others. HuffPo seems to be where liberals go to stroke one another without the nasty real world intruding on their delusions.

Speaking of delusions, I also tend to avoid InfoWars. After all, we all know that it was the chemtrails from flying saucers that made Elvis shoot JFK from the grassy knoll. This isnt common knowledge because it has been suppressed by the Illuminati and the CFR using the HAARP facility.

I will leave you all with the reminder that "it isn't the vote that counts, but who counts the votes".

no matter where you get your news from, it's all tainted and twisted and it's not factual. no matter how many sources.
it's not the real story
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On 2016-12-10 08:26 PM, Mro wrote:

Re: Re: Mother Theresa was no saint
By: Loco to Deavmi on Fri Dec 09 2016 11:06 pm

Re: Re: Mother Theresa was no saint
By: Deavmi to Gryphon on Mon Nov 21 2016 18:09:40

Nah. Huffinton Post is just a shitty news company.

Is even acceptable to mention HuffPo and the word "news" in the same sentence?

I get my news from many sources, some better than others. HuffPo seems to be where liberals go to stroke one another without the nasty real world intruding on their delusions.

Speaking of delusions, I also tend to avoid InfoWars. After all, we all know that it was the chemtrails from flying saucers that made Elvis shoot JFK from the grassy knoll. This isnt common knowledge because it has been suppressed by the Illuminati and the CFR using the HAARP facility.

I will leave you all with the reminder that "it isn't the vote that counts,
but who counts the votes".

no matter where you get your news from, it's all tainted and twisted and it's not factual. no matter how many sources.
it's not the real story
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Re: Re: Mother Theresa was no saint
By: Deavmi to Mro on Sun Dec 11 2016 01:02 pm

no matter where you get your news from, it's all tainted and twisted and it's not factual. no matter how many sources.
it's not the real story

Can we drop this topic already. How old is it BTW?

dont know how long the topic is, but the subject is mother theresa.

you can hit L to list the posts to see how far back they go.

moonlanding was faked.
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On 12/11/16, Deavmi said the following...

On 2016-12-10 08:26 PM, Mro wrote:

Re: Re: Mother Theresa was no saint
By: Loco to Deavmi on Fri Dec 09 2016 11:06 pm

Re: Re: Mother Theresa was no saint
By: Deavmi to Gryphon on Mon Nov 21 2016 18:09:40

Nah. Huffinton Post is just a shitty news company.

Is even acceptable to mention HuffPo and the word "news" in the same sentence?

I get my news from many sources, some better than others. HuffPo see be where liberals go to stroke one another without the nasty real wor intruding on their delusions.

Speaking of delusions, I also tend to avoid InfoWars. After all, we know that it was the chemtrails from flying saucers that made Elvis s JFK from the grassy knoll. This isnt common knowledge because it has suppressed by the Illuminati and the CFR using the HAARP facility.

I will leave you all with the reminder that "it isn't the vote that c

but who counts the votes".

no matter where you get your news from, it's all tainted and twisted and not factual. no matter how many sources.
it's not the real story
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On 2016-12-14 02:26 PM, Gryphon wrote:

On 12/11/16, Deavmi said the following...

On 2016-12-10 08:26 PM, Mro wrote:

Re: Re: Mother Theresa was no saint
By: Loco to Deavmi on Fri Dec 09 2016 11:06 pm

Re: Re: Mother Theresa was no saint
By: Deavmi to Gryphon on Mon Nov 21 2016 18:09:40

Nah. Huffinton Post is just a shitty news company.

Is even acceptable to mention HuffPo and the word "news" in the same
sentence?

I get my news from many sources, some better than others. HuffPo see
be where liberals go to stroke one another without the nasty real wor
intruding on their delusions.

Speaking of delusions, I also tend to avoid InfoWars. After all, we
know that it was the chemtrails from flying saucers that made Elvis s
JFK from the grassy knoll. This isnt common knowledge because it has
suppressed by the Illuminati and the CFR using the HAARP facility.

I will leave you all with the reminder that "it isn't the vote that c

but who counts the votes".

no matter where you get your news from, it's all tainted and twisted and
not factual. no matter how many sources.
it's not the real story
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Re: Re: Mother Theresa was no saint
By: Deavmi to Gryphon on Thu Dec 15 2016 10:20:59

Interesting. On the "Religion" sub:

Previous topic was basically "Bash the Catholic hero"

One person is unhappy because the current topic isn't the one which they feel is important.

Another is unhappy because the same message keeps getting repeated with minimal variation.

I'm sitting here thinking that it sounds like another Sunday morning in church...

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