Seriously... It's UNIX. Real UNIX users keep it in text mode.
Let's get at least ONE other thread going in here, please? ;)


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Re: Ack; another thread, please!
By: Khelair to All on Wed Aug 14 2013 02:16 am

Seriously... It's UNIX. Real UNIX users keep it in text mode.
Let's get at least ONE other thread going in here, please? ;)

Hmm . . . I guess my 18 years of using unix like systems as my primary environment for computing does not make me a real unix user then. With the exception of the first couple of months where I could not get X to work, I only use unix with a GUI of some type. Often I use a terminal window for file management and text processing, but too much of my life is spent in a web browser, or image editor to want to be stuck with strictly a command line. Heck, I am even using gvim instead of vi now. My only problem with the graphical environments is that they are not consistent.

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Seriously... It's UNIX. Real UNIX users keep it in text
mode. Let's get at least ONE other thread going in here, please? ;)

I'm downloading NetBSD as I type this. What's this Linux stuff doing on the UNIX echo? :)



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Re: Ack; another thread, plea
By: Poindexter Fortran to Khelair on Wed Aug 14 2013 11:18 am

Khelair wrote to All <=-

Seriously... It's UNIX. Real UNIX users keep it in text
mode. Let's get at least ONE other thread going in here, please? ;)

I'm downloading NetBSD as I type this. What's this Linux stuff doing on the UNIX echo? :)

... It is quite possible (after all)

someone is sending it into the linux echo on dovenet
go to the BSD echo

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Re: Ack; another thread, please!
By: Khelair to All on Wed Aug 14 2013 02:16 am

Seriously... It's UNIX. Real UNIX users keep it in text mode.
Let's get at least ONE other thread going in here, please? ;)

You're more than welcome to start a thread if you wish. The rest of us that are contributing, are currently involved in a thread that's keeping us interested and posting. :)

I've mentioned numerous times, probably 95% of the time when I'm using *nix, it's in a terminal (console only). What would you like to talk about?

Regards,
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Re: Ack; another thread, please!
By: Folsom to Khelair on Wed Aug 14 2013 10:28:33

Hmm . . . I guess my 18 years of using unix like systems as my primary environment for computing does not make me a real unix user then. With the exception of the first couple of months where I could not get X to work, I o use unix with a GUI of some type. Often I use a terminal window for file management and text processing, but too much of my life is spent in a web browser, or image editor to want to be stuck with strictly a command line. Heck, I am even using gvim instead of vi now. My only problem with the graphical environments is that they are not consistent.

Sorry, it was a bad attempt, I guess, at who's the biggest geek
humor. I wasn't serious. I'm at ~20 years, too. I wasn't REALLY trying
to whip it out and find out whose was bigger, it was a joke.


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Re: Ack; another thread, plea
By: Poindexter Fortran to Khelair on Wed Aug 14 2013 11:18 am

I'm downloading NetBSD as I type this. What's this Linux stuff doing on the UNIX echo? :)

You might like OpenBSD better. :)

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Re: Re: Ack; another thread, please!
By: Khelair to Folsom on Wed Aug 14 2013 07:23 pm

Re: Ack; another thread, please!
By: Folsom to Khelair on Wed Aug 14 2013 10:28:33

Hmm . . . I guess my 18 years of using unix like systems as my primary environment for computing does not make me a real unix user then. With th exception of the first couple of months where I could not get X to work, use unix with a GUI of some type. Often I use a terminal window for file management and text processing, but too much of my life is spent in a web browser, or image editor to want to be stuck with strictly a command line Heck, I am even using gvim instead of vi now. My only problem with the graphical environments is that they are not consistent.

Sorry, it was a bad attempt, I guess, at who's the biggest geek
humor. I wasn't serious. I'm at ~20 years, too. I wasn't REALLY trying
to whip it out and find out whose was bigger, it was a joke.

I apologize too. I regretted the tone of that reply just minutes after sending it. Although I did not get it accross very well, the actual communication that I wanted to make was that I think user desktops should be GUI environments-even if the only think that runs is a bunch of terminals.

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Hmm . . . I guess my 18 years of using unix like systems as my primary environment for computing does not make me a real unix user then.

That depends - EMACS or vi? :)


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Re: Re: Ack; another thread, please!
By: Khelair to Folsom on Wed Aug 14 2013 07:23 pm

Sorry, it was a bad attempt, I guess, at who's the biggest geek
humor. I wasn't serious. I'm at ~20 years, too. I wasn't REALLY trying to whip it out and find out whose was bigger, it was a joke.

Don't ever let it happen again! :)

No really. You want to find out who's the biggest geek, write a paragraph in binary and see if someone will actually go out of their way to decipher it. I, for one, am out! lol

Regards,
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Re: Re: Ack; another thread, please!
By: Folsom to Khelair on Thu Aug 15 2013 09:25 am

I apologize too. I regretted the tone of that reply just minutes after sending it. Although I did not get it accross very well, the actual communication that I wanted to make was that I think user desktops should be GUI environments-even if the only think that runs is a bunch of terminals.

The only downside of that is that when you're running a bunch of servers in the background, X always seems to find a way to hog memory, or lock up one thing or another, so your servers aren't as stable as they could be.

I've ran my BBS on linux for years now, and I think I've had to reboot the computer maybe once a year. I put X on it, even with something lightweight like fluxbox or blackbox, and I would have to reboot every couple weeks due to some kind of memory leaks or something locking up (usually something involved with X or the window manager).

I would love to use a GUI if it was as stable as not using one. But in my experience it is definitely not, and I'm all about stability.

Regards,
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Re: Ack; another thread, plea
By: Poindexter Fortran to Khelair on Wed Aug 14 2013 11:18:00

I'm downloading NetBSD as I type this. What's this Linux stuff doing on the UNIX echo? :)

*cackle* THAT is what I'm talkin' about. Hell, the server I'm talking this on is a headless OpenBSD 5.x box. :D

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Re: Re: Ack; another thread, please!
By: Access Denied to Folsom on Thu Aug 15 2013 17:25:36

Ahoy AxisD,

I would love to use a GUI if it was as stable as not using one. But in my experience it is definitely not, and I'm all about stability.

That, my friend, is because you haven't used w9wm-arfonzo. :D

/me hides.

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Re: Re: Ack; another thread, plea
By: Khelair to Poindexter Fortran on Thu Aug 15 2013 09:01 pm

I'm downloading NetBSD as I type this. What's this Linux stuff doing
on the UNIX echo? :)

*cackle* THAT is what I'm talkin' about. Hell, the server I'm talking this on is a headless OpenBSD 5.x box. :D

And how is the installation and running of those door games coming along, fellas? If you haven't started yet, I wish you good luck. :)

I would much prefer to run my system on OpenBSD, but sometimes BSD just doesn't do what you want it to do in the BBS realm.

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Re: Re: Ack; another thread, please!
By: art to Access Denied on Fri Aug 16 2013 08:41 am

I would love to use a GUI if it was as stable as not using one. But in
my experience it is definitely not, and I'm all about stability.

That, my friend, is because you haven't used w9wm-arfonzo. :D

It's usually not the window manager or desktop environment that is at fault. It is Xorg and all the crap it's running in the background that hogs resources, and eventually slow down if not lock up your servers (in my past experience, anyways).

/me hides.

1, 2, .. 10. Ready or not, here I come (notice I cheated. lol).

Regards,
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Re: Ack; another thread, plea
By: poindexter fortran to Folsom on Thu Aug 15 2013 10:47 am

That depends - EMACS or vi? :)

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Re: Re: Ack; another thread, please!
By: Access Denied to art on Fri Aug 16 2013 12:06 pm

Re: Re: Ack; another thread, please!
By: art to Access Denied on Fri Aug 16 2013 08:41 am

I would love to use a GUI if it was as stable as not using one. But in
my experience it is definitely not, and I'm all about stability.

That, my friend, is because you haven't used w9wm-arfonzo. :D

It's usually not the window manager or desktop environment that is at fault. is Xorg and all the crap it's running in the background that hogs resources, and eventually slow down if not lock up your servers (in my past experience, anyways).

As a general rule, I do not allow X servers on any server. Even if I have an X application that I launch from a server, it should run on my display server, not on the real server. I have had several consultants not like my response when they wanted to install and run some management tool on the production server.

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Re: Re: Ack; another thread, please!
By: Folsom to Access Denied on Fri Aug 16 2013 02:58 pm

As a general rule, I do not allow X servers on any server. Even if I have an X application that I launch from a server, it should run on my display server, not on the real server. I have had several consultants not like my response when they wanted to install and run some management tool on the production server.

Sounds like somoene who cut their teeth selling Windows servers.

"Look, we'll put Crystal Reports on the Exchange/Great Plains/Business Objects/&tc server and you can run your own reports on the fly!"

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Re: Ack; another thread, plea
By: Folsom to poindexter fortran on Fri Aug 16 2013 12:10 pm

Here is my gang sign
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Re: Re: Ack; another thread, plea
By: Access Denied to Khelair on Fri Aug 16 2013 12:01:42

And how is the installation and running of those door games coming along, fellas? If you haven't started yet, I wish you good luck. :)

I would much prefer to run my system on OpenBSD, but sometimes BSD just does do what you want it to do in the BBS realm.

Yeah, that's kind of a biyatch. I just haven't had the time or effort to throw into the BBS+dosbox configuration. Initial attempts failed quick though, your insinuation is correct. I'm alright with that, though. I mean it'd be great to have more users connecting for such things, but my BBS's mission really doesn't depend on doors at all. The mail subsystem being rather horked, however, and seemingly only when compiled on OpenBSD... Well that just sucks.

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Re: Re: Ack; another thread, plea
By: Khelair to Access Denied on Fri Aug 16 2013 10:47 pm

Yeah, that's kind of a biyatch. I just haven't had the time or effort to throw into the BBS+dosbox configuration. Initial attempts failed quick though, your insinuation is correct. I'm alright with that, though. I mean it'd be great to have more users connecting for such things, but my BBS's mission really doesn't depend on doors at all. The mail subsystem being rather horked, however, and seemingly only when compiled on OpenBSD... Well that just sucks.

On the other hand, Linux works quite well with the built-in dosemu support in Synchronet. Dosbox (as well as doscmd if that even works) won't allow multiple nodes to play at the same time in BSD.

Then again, if your intent has nothing to do with doors, then BSD would work.. as long as you can get everything else working right.

Good luck and have fun!

Regards,
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Re: Re: Ack; another thread, plea
By: Access Denied to Khelair on Sat Aug 17 2013 11:43:22

On the other hand, Linux works quite well with the built-in dosemu support i Synchronet. Dosbox (as well as doscmd if that even works) won't allow multip nodes to play at the same time in BSD.

Then again, if your intent has nothing to do with doors, then BSD would work as long as you can get everything else working right.

Yeah, I'm keepin' my fingers crossed. ;)

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Re: Re: Ack; another thread, please!
By: Khelair to Folsom on Wed Aug 14 2013 07:23 pm

Sorry, it was a bad attempt, I guess, at who's the biggest geek
humor. I wasn't serious. I'm at ~20 years, too. I wasn't REALLY trying
to whip it out and find out whose was bigger, it was a joke.

<Chris quietly tucks his ruler away...>
:-)
That said, when I'm usually dealing with headless systems (most of the time), I'm actually doing ssh sessions from a windows pc. I usually need a cold shower by the end of the day....

At home, I'm usually using KDE plus Konsole for much of the admin stuff I do.


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Re: Ack; another thread, plea
By: poindexter fortran to Folsom on Thu Aug 15 2013 10:47 am

That depends - EMACS or vi? :)

Oh snap, now it's on LOL.


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Re: Re: Ack; another thread, please!
By: Folsom to Access Denied on Fri Aug 16 2013 02:58 pm

As a general rule, I do not allow X servers on any server. Even if I have an application that I launch from a server, it should run on my display server, not on the real server. I have had several consultants not like my response when they wanted to install and run some management tool on the production server.

Same here for the most part. When working with consultants/vendors during the initial setup of a new server I've used the gui at times. Once we put it into production it's down to runlevel 3.


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Re: Re: Ack; another thread, please!
By: Chris to Khelair on Sun Aug 25 2013 21:33:11

<Chris quietly tucks his ruler away...>
:-)
That said, when I'm usually dealing with headless systems (most of the time) I'm actually doing ssh sessions from a windows pc. I usually need a cold shower by the end of the day....

At home, I'm usually using KDE plus Konsole for much of the admin stuff I do

Yeah, I don't deal with headless systems primarily anymore. I've not been a sysadmin for a good 5 years now. That being said, the OpenBSD system that I run my BBS and other 'server' stuff on is, indeed, headless. It's still got X on it in case I ever decide to slap a monitor back on it for some reason, but usually that's not necessary unless I'm upgrading the OS. I'm actually looking forward to taking it down and moving it to its new location, though. I'm finally going to have a good excuse to set up SNMP monitoring of bandwidth utilization and all sorts of other fun stuff with all the neat graphs. :)
As far as my desktop machine, it's debian with gnome classic for me right now. I had a laptop that had a really nice installation of OpenBSD that was unbelievably desktop friendly (for that particular OS) for awhile, but wouldn't you know it, the damn thing had to go and get thirsty on me. :(
I haven't checked out KDE for awhile, but honestly I've not been too happy with debian + GNOME for awhile now due to some ridiculous sound issues I've been having. I might update my desktop system soon and see what I can do about a new setup on here.

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Re: Re: Ack; another thread, please!
By: Khelair to Chris on Thu Aug 29 2013 10:52 pm

I haven't checked out KDE for awhile, but honestly I've not been too hap with debian + GNOME for awhile now due to some ridiculous sound issues I've been having. I might update my desktop system soon and see what I can do ab a new setup on here.

I recommend KDE for the most part. It probably is a bit more than what a lot of people need, but so far it seems to have come a long way over the few minor releases. The activities I have no use for right now, but I can see it being handy at some point.


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Re: Re: Ack; another thread, please!
By: Chris to Khelair on Tue Sep 10 2013 01:38 am

Re: Re: Ack; another thread, please!
By: Khelair to Chris on Thu Aug 29 2013 10:52 pm

I haven't checked out KDE for awhile, but honestly I've not been too hap with debian + GNOME for awhile now due to some ridiculous sound issues I've been having. I might update my desktop system soon and see what I can do ab a new setup on here.

I recommend KDE for the most part. It probably is a bit more than what a lot of people need, but so far it seems to have come a long way over the
few minor releases. The activities I have no use for right now, but I can see it being handy at some point.

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KDE is pretty cool but very bloated like Windoze is. That's the only problem with it.

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Re: Re: Ack; another thread, please!
By: Chris to Khelair on Tue Sep 10 2013 01:38:35

I recommend KDE for the most part. It probably is a bit more than what a lo of people need, but so far it seems to have come a long way over the few min releases. The activities I have no use for right now, but I can see it being handy at some point.

With all of the issues that I've had with debian since I switched
back to it, I really should try a switch to KDE. This sound crap that
I've had going on is absolutely absurd in this day & age. Maybe back in
'98 it was still excusable.

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Re: Re: Ack; another thread, please!
By: The Millionaire to Chris on Tue Sep 10 2013 12:59 pm

KDE is pretty cool but very bloated like Windoze is. That's the only problem with it.

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The KDE footprint is pretty big, but so long as you have a moderately built machine I have no problem recommending it. Obviously for a real slim machine (in terms of resources) I wouldn't try to wedge it in there when there are decent lightweight Desktops/WMs available.


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Re: Re: Ack; another thread, please!
By: Chris to The Millionaire on Sat Sep 21 2013 12:29 am

KDE is pretty cool but very bloated like Windoze is. That's the only problem with it.

The KDE footprint is pretty big, but so long as you have a moderately built machine I have no problem recommending it. Obviously for a real slim
machine (in terms of resources) I wouldn't try to wedge it in there when there are decent lightweight Desktops/WMs available.

i can understand THAT, but i'd rather use something else instead of a window manager and set of tools that are more windowsy than windows.

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Re: Re: Ack; another thread, please!
By: Mro to Chris on Sat Sep 21 2013 09:36 am

actually i prefer the cli to any linux gui except for maybe xfce.

all my computers are dual core or better so it's not a performance preferenc

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Same here with regards to CLI for the most part. Unless I'm browsing or doing something that requires the gui (which is mainly at home), I'm usually at the command line.


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