Hey everybody...

I had a problem with my box last week and had to take it into the local repair shop. Big mistake. The guy is a total idiot & knows nothing about linux.

Anyway, for some reason my machine stopped booting, I took it in, he blew it out & replaced the heat sync & the fan. Now it boots, BUT:

It's not loading the original CMOS.

It's not loading the GRUB Bootloader, and

Every time I try to boot from my boot hard drive, I get this error: "NTLDR

is missing. <LF> Press <Alt> <Ctrl> <Del> to reboot."

It will boot off a ubuntu CD but I'm trying to get it to boot w/o mounting the drives, backing everything off and re-installing everything.

Any ideas?

-Rass...

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Re: NTLDR
By: Rassilon to All on Mon Mar 08 2010 06:28 pm

Hey everybody...

I had a problem with my box last week and had to take it into the local repa shop. Big mistake. The guy is a total idiot & knows nothing about linux.

Anyway, for some reason my machine stopped booting, I took it in, he blew it out & replaced the heat sync & the fan. Now it boots, BUT:

It's not loading the original CMOS.

It's not loading the GRUB Bootloader, and

Every time I try to boot from my boot hard drive, I get this error: "NT

is missing. <LF> Press <Alt> <Ctrl> <Del> to reboot."

It will boot off a ubuntu CD but I'm trying to get it to boot w/o mounting t drives, backing everything off and re-installing everything.

Any ideas?

-Rass...

you were going thru a windows nt boot loader which looks like it got hosed.

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Corey wrote to Rassilon <=-

Re: NTLDR
By: Rassilon to All on Mon Mar 08 2010 06:28 pm

Hey everybody...

I had a problem with my box last week and had to take it into the local repa shop. Big mistake. The guy is a total idiot & knows nothing about linux.

Anyway, for some reason my machine stopped booting, I took it in, he blew it out & replaced the heat sync & the fan. Now it boots, BUT:

It's not loading the original CMOS.

It's not loading the GRUB Bootloader, and

Every time I try to boot from my boot hard drive, I get this error: "NT

is missing. <LF> Press <Alt> <Ctrl> <Del> to reboot."

It will boot off a ubuntu CD but I'm trying to get it to boot w/o mounting t drives, backing everything off and re-installing everything.

Any ideas?

-Rass...

you were going thru a windows nt boot loader which looks like it got hosed.

How did the Windows boot loader get on there I wonder?

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Blakdeth to Corey on Tue Mar 09 2010 09:11 am

Corey wrote to Rassilon <=-

Re: NTLDR
By: Rassilon to All on Mon Mar 08 2010 06:28 pm

Hey everybody...

I had a problem with my box last week and had to take it into the local r shop. Big mistake. The guy is a total idiot & knows nothing about linux.

Anyway, for some reason my machine stopped booting, I took it in, he blew out & replaced the heat sync & the fan. Now it boots, BUT:

It's not loading the original CMOS.

It's not loading the GRUB Bootloader, and

Every time I try to boot from my boot hard drive, I get this error:

is missing. <LF> Press <Alt> <Ctrl> <Del> to reboot."

It will boot off a ubuntu CD but I'm trying to get it to boot w/o mountin drives, backing everything off and re-installing everything.

Any ideas?

-Rass...

you were going thru a windows nt boot loader which looks like it got hosed.

How did the Windows boot loader get on there I wonder?

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stupid computer techs?
maybe they thought you had a windows system.
try to repair your linux boot loader from a cdrom.
or root and boot from your cdrom and repair your linuc boot loader.
I use ubuntu and can do this from my factory cdrom.


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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Corey to Blakdeth on Tue Mar 09 2010 09:06:32

Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Blakdeth to Corey on Tue Mar 09 2010 09:11 am

Corey wrote to Rassilon <=-

Re: NTLDR
By: Rassilon to All on Mon Mar 08 2010 06:28 pm

Hey everybody...

I had a problem with my box last week and had to take it into the loca shop. Big mistake. The guy is a total idiot & knows nothing about lin

Anyway, for some reason my machine stopped booting, I took it in, he b out & replaced the heat sync & the fan. Now it boots, BUT:

It's not loading the original CMOS.

It's not loading the GRUB Bootloader, and

Every time I try to boot from my boot hard drive, I get this error

is missing. <LF> Press <Alt> <Ctrl> <Del> to reboot."

It will boot off a ubuntu CD but I'm trying to get it to boot w/o moun drives, backing everything off and re-installing everything.

Any ideas?

-Rass...

you were going thru a windows nt boot loader which looks like it got hosed.

How did the Windows boot loader get on there I wonder?

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stupid computer techs?
maybe they thought you had a windows system.

Yeah...the computer guy was F***ING LAME! I'm not a hardware guy. I'm a software guy...but the guy couldn't diagnose the problem with my hardware - my box kept on powering down for no apparent reason. And it turned out that when I took it to Best Buy & had the guy look at it, the fan on my video card was speeding up and slowing down & the card was over heating. That was the problem.

try to repair your linux boot loader from a cdrom.
or root and boot from your cdrom and repair your linuc boot loader.
I use ubuntu and can do this from my factory cdrom.

I've been trying to do that but it doesn't seem to work. I boot with an Ubuntu 9.04 CD, go into terminal & run grub. Grub runs fine. I just don't know how to repair the loader & I'm not having much success googling it.

-Rass...

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Re: NTLDR
By: Rassilon to All on Mon Mar 08 2010 06:28 pm

I had a problem with my box last week and had to take it into the local repair shop. Big mistake. The guy is a total idiot & knows nothing about

Anyway, for some reason my machine stopped booting, I took it in, he blew
it out & replaced the heat sync & the fan. Now it boots, BUT:

It's not loading the original CMOS.

It's not loading the GRUB Bootloader, and

Every time I try to boot from my boot hard drive, I get this error: "NTLDR

is missing. <LF> Press <Alt> <Ctrl> <Del> to reboot."

It will boot off a ubuntu CD but I'm trying to get it to boot w/o mounting the drives, backing everything off and re-installing everything.

sounds like he replaced your lilo or whatever your using to the nt bootloader.. try to re-install tyour *nix bootloader.



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Re: NTLDR
By: mrproper to Rassilon on Tue Mar 09 2010 20:52:52

Re: NTLDR
By: Rassilon to All on Mon Mar 08 2010 06:28 pm

I had a problem with my box last week and had to take it into the local repair shop. Big mistake. The guy is a total idiot & knows nothing about

Anyway, for some reason my machine stopped booting, I took it in, he blew it out & replaced the heat sync & the fan. Now it boots, BUT:

It's not loading the original CMOS.

It's not loading the GRUB Bootloader, and

Every time I try to boot from my boot hard drive, I get this error: "NTLDR

is missing. <LF> Press <Alt> <Ctrl> <Del> to reboot."

It will boot off a ubuntu CD but I'm trying to get it to boot w/o mountin the drives, backing everything off and re-installing everything.

sounds like he replaced your lilo or whatever your using to the nt bootloade try to re-install tyour *nix bootloader

I've been tring to do that with no success...I was able to boot off the ubuntu CD and boot to a root prmpt...then one time I did that it asked me to do a disk check. I allowed it to do so (hoping it would fix my GRUB bootloader), it rebooted & now I can't boot to a root prompt...GRRR!

So, I boot off my gParted boot disk to check the partitions. It sees the ubuntu partition and recognizes the windows partition as NTFS but not a "windows" partition.

My windows-geek brother-in-law told me to boot off of my windows CD & run "fix MBR" (Master Boot Record) so I won't get the "NTLR missing" error. Problem is I don't have my xp disk. I'm gonna try booting into windows & run the "fix MBR" from the 'Run..." command.

I'm at my wit's end!

-Rass...

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Re: NTLDR
By: Rassilon to mrproper on Thu Mar 11 2010 04:31 pm

Re: NTLDR
By: mrproper to Rassilon on Tue Mar 09 2010 20:52:52

Re: NTLDR
By: Rassilon to All on Mon Mar 08 2010 06:28 pm

I had a problem with my box last week and had to take it into the loca repair shop. Big mistake. The guy is a total idiot & knows nothing ab

Anyway, for some reason my machine stopped booting, I took it in, he b it out & replaced the heat sync & the fan. Now it boots, BUT:

It's not loading the original CMOS.

It's not loading the GRUB Bootloader, and

Every time I try to boot from my boot hard drive, I get this error "NTLDR

is missing. <LF> Press <Alt> <Ctrl> <Del> to reboot."

It will boot off a ubuntu CD but I'm trying to get it to boot w/o moun the drives, backing everything off and re-installing everything.

sounds like he replaced your lilo or whatever your using to the nt bootlo try to re-install tyour *nix bootloader

I've been tring to do that with no success...I was able to boot off the ubun CD and boot to a root prmpt...then one time I did that it asked me to do a d check. I allowed it to do so (hoping it would fix my GRUB bootloader), it rebooted & now I can't boot to a root prompt...GRRR!

So, I boot off my gParted boot disk to check the partitions. It sees the ubuntu partition and recognizes the windows partition as NTFS but not a "windows" partition.

My windows-geek brother-in-law told me to boot off of my windows CD & run "f MBR" (Master Boot Record) so I won't get the "NTLR missing" error. Problem I don't have my xp disk. I'm gonna try booting into windows & run the "fix MBR" from the 'Run..." command.

I'm at my wit's end!

-Rass...

you can't. it won't fix the drive if it's mounted.

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Re: NTLDR
By: Corey to Rassilon on Thu Mar 11 2010 15:25:12

you can't. it won't fix the drive if it's mounted.

Funny thing...I logged into ubuntu, ran terminal, mounted the drive from there & when I did it it automatically fixed my MBR & my GRUB boot loader. I'm back in business!

Damned forums...

-Rassilon...

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Re: NTLDR
By: Rassilon to Corey on Thu Mar 11 2010 10:22 pm

Re: NTLDR
By: Corey to Rassilon on Thu Mar 11 2010 15:25:12

you can't. it won't fix the drive if it's mounted.

Funny thing...I logged into ubuntu, ran terminal, mounted the drive from the & when I did it it automatically fixed my MBR & my GRUB boot loader. I'm ba in business!

Damned forums...

-Rassilon...

-Time is fleeting...MADNESS takes it's toll...

and linux is smarter then windows too.
when windows breaks and they can't fix it, they rename it and sell us a new license.

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Re: NTLDR
By: Corey to Rassilon on Fri Mar 12 2010 07:22:00

and linux is smarter then windows too.
when windows breaks and they can't fix it, they rename it and sell us a new license.

Yup. And people are dumb enough to buy it.

Hell, when I was having a hardware problem with my main box (that's what started that whole NTLDR thing anyway) and I went into Best Buy to have them diagnose the problem with my hardware ('cuz the local place I went to wiped out my MBR & charged me $55 for it & said they had fixed the original problem which was that the computer kept powering down for apparently no reason - found out the video card fan wasn't working right & the card would over heat)...anyway...there was this guy in line in front of me and he was stupid enough to pay...I don't remember the correct sum but it was upwards around $200+ for a Win7 upgrade & an Office upgrade & something else...

...I felt like telling him what a frickin idiot he was & that he can get a BETTER operating system with infinite upgrades for FREE _AND_ it comes with OpenOffice which is as good or better than Microsoft Office....etc. Even thought of telling him to forget the office download, keep windows & download open office for windows.

It was SOOOO HARD for me to bite my lip. After all, Best Buy's gotta make their money too, right? Too bad it's from frickin' idiots.

Oh, and those Geek Squad guys are tards too. I had to talk to 2 gyys & a supervisor before I found someone who could even understand MBR, GRUB & Linux.

Idiots.

-Rassilon...

-City lights...they sting my eyes...

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Re: NTLDR
By: Rassilon to Corey on Fri Mar 12 2010 02:07 pm

Re: NTLDR
By: Corey to Rassilon on Fri Mar 12 2010 07:22:00

and linux is smarter then windows too.
when windows breaks and they can't fix it, they rename it and sell us a n license.

Yup. And people are dumb enough to buy it.

Hell, when I was having a hardware problem with my main box (that's what started that whole NTLDR thing anyway) and I went into Best Buy to have them diagnose the problem with my hardware ('cuz the local place I went to wiped my MBR & charged me $55 for it & said they had fixed the original problem wh was that the computer kept powering down for apparently no reason - found ou the video card fan wasn't working right & the card would over heat)...anyway...there was this guy in line in front of me and he was stupid enough to pay...I don't remember the correct sum but it was upwards around $200+ for a Win7 upgrade & an Office upgrade & something else...

...I felt like telling him what a frickin idiot he was & that he can get a BETTER operating system with infinite upgrades for FREE _AND_ it comes with OpenOffice which is as good or better than Microsoft Office....etc. Even thought of telling him to forget the office download, keep windows & downloa open office for windows.

It was SOOOO HARD for me to bite my lip. After all, Best Buy's gotta make their money too, right? Too bad it's from frickin' idiots.

Oh, and those Geek Squad guys are tards too. I had to talk to 2 gyys & a supervisor before I found someone who could even understand MBR, GRUB & Linu

Idiots.

-Rassilon...

-City lights...they sting my eyes...

yeah, they were tarded once, but it didn't seem to take,
so they all had to be retarded.

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Re: NTLDR
By: Corey to Rassilon on Fri Mar 12 2010 16:52:37

yeah, they were tarded once, but it didn't seem to take,
so they all had to be retarded.

Yah. I heard that before...so since I've heard it twice & it was "tarded" the first time & "retarded" the second time...I guess that makes it...what? Quadtarded?

-Rassilon...

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On 3/12/2010 12:07 PM, Rassilon wrote:

...I felt like telling him what a frickin idiot he was& that he can get a BETTER operating system with infinite upgrades for FREE _AND_ it comes with OpenOffice which is as good or better than Microsoft Office....etc. Even thought of telling him to forget the office download, keep windows& download open office for windows.

As much as I like Linux and OpenOffice (they're enough for me).. but for some people, there aren't OpenOffice.org equivalents/compatibility, and if you have to interact with other businesses, you probably need to be able to use what they use.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Tracker1 to Rassilon on Sat Mar 20 2010 20:56:30

As much as I like Linux and OpenOffice (they're enough for me).. but for som people, there aren't OpenOffice.org equivalents/compatibility, and if you ha to interact with other businesses, you probably need to be able to use what they use.

That's why OpenOffice saves in multiple formats. All you have to do is save in the format that the other guy (gal) needs and there ya go.

-Rassilon...

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On 3/21/2010 7:57 AM, Rassilon wrote:

As much as I like Linux and OpenOffice (they're enough for me).. but for som
people, there aren't OpenOffice.org equivalents/compatibility, and if you ha
to interact with other businesses, you probably need to be able to use what >> they use.

That's why OpenOffice saves in multiple formats. All you have to do is save in
the format that the other guy (gal) needs and there ya go.

And when they send you a powerpoint/word/excel file you can't open?

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Tracker1 to Rassilon on Sun Mar 21 2010 20:21:07

And when they send you a powerpoint/word/excel file you can't open?

Has that happened?

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On 3/22/2010 9:08 AM, Rassilon wrote:

And when they send you a powerpoint/word/excel file you can't open?

Has that happened?

I've seen lots of docs OOo doesn't support well, though I've seen older docs that OOo handled better that MS Office... There is a lot more to MSOffice than what is supported in OOo and vice-versa. Depends on your needs, and the needs of who you interact with... that's what Crossover/Wine is for though :)

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Tracker1 to Rassilon on Mon Mar 22 2010 11:09 pm

And when they send you a powerpoint/word/excel file you can't open?

When I have an Office file I need to share with someone, I put it on their
livespaces website and tell it to share it with that person. They can then
go online and view it online as it was meant to be viewed. If they need to
edit it, I can allow them to edit it online. If they need to print it, I
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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Tracker1 to Rassilon on Mon Mar 22 2010 23:09:07

And when they send you a powerpoint/word/excel file you can't open?

Has that happened?

I've seen lots of docs OOo doesn't support well, though I've seen older docs that OOo handled better that MS Office... There is a lot more to MSOffice than what is supported in OOo and vice-versa. Depends on your needs, and th needs of who you interact with... that's what Crossover/Wine is for though :

I didn't know that. Every document I've tried to switch between OO & MO has opened. I don't do it much, tho. Windows is crap. I haven't used it in years.

-Rassilon...

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On 3/23/2010 6:19 AM, John Guillory wrote:

And when they send you a powerpoint/word/excel file you can't open?

When I have an Office file I need to share with someone, I put it on their livespaces website and tell it to share it with that person. They can then go online and view it online as it was meant to be viewed. If they need to edit it, I can allow them to edit it online. If they need to print it, I convert it to .pdf.

Just guessing you haven't had to deal with paying clients much. I'm referring to them sending you something as much as the opposite.

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On 3/23/2010 7:45 AM, Rassilon wrote:

I've seen lots of docs OOo doesn't support well, though I've seen older docs >> that OOo handled better that MS Office... There is a lot more to MSOffice >> than what is supported in OOo and vice-versa. Depends on your needs, and th >> needs of who you interact with... that's what Crossover/Wine is for though :

I didn't know that. Every document I've tried to switch between OO& MO has opened. I don't do it much, tho. Windows is crap. I haven't used it in years.

My main point is that for a lot of people OOo isn't a valid substitution for MO. As to windows being crap, about the only two versions I've liked is Windows 2000 (not ME) and Windows 7 (Liking it a lot). Though I've run several other OSes on my desktop the past couple years.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Tracker1 to Rassilon on Wed Mar 24 2010 11:34 am

My main point is that for a lot of people OOo isn't a valid substitution for MO. As to windows being crap, about the only two versions I've liked is Windows 2000 (not ME) and Windows 7 (Liking it a lot). Though I've run several other OSes on my desktop the past couple years.

I haven't really seen Window 7 yet so I can't really comment. Didn't like
2000 myself but I have this real hard-core computer geek friend that swears
by it for some reason. I deal with XP (occasionally) because I have some software that HAS to run on it. Otherwise I wouldn't touch it.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Rassilon to Tracker1 on Tue Mar 23 2010 14:49:00

You say that Windows is crap, but you also say you have not used it in years. I find that a rather strange statement, as you clearly do not know the current version of Windows (since you have not used it it years ;).

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Soho to Rassilon on Thu Mar 25 2010 09:36 am

You say that Windows is crap, but you also say you have not used it in years find that a rather strange statement, as you clearly do not know the current version of Windows (since you have not used it it years ;).

People I *KNOW* use it & have seen the new versions. Not much of 7 though
to be honest. I've been in and around windows since v.1.0 so I know what I'm talking about. It's crap & microsoft are a bunch of thieves.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Tracker1 to Rassilon on Wed Mar 24 2010 11:34 am

I haven't really seen Window 7 yet so I can't really comment. Didn't
like 2000 myself but I have this real hard-core computer geek friend
that swears by it for some reason. I deal with XP (occasionally)
because I have some software that HAS to run on it. Otherwise I
wouldn't touch it.

Windows 7 is nice.


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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Jon Justvig to Rassilon on Thu Mar 25 2010 06:13 pm

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Tracker1 to Rassilon on Wed Mar 24 2010 11:34 am

I haven't really seen Window 7 yet so I can't really comment. Didn't like 2000 myself but I have this real hard-core computer geek friend that swears by it for some reason. I deal with XP (occasionally) because I have some software that HAS to run on it. Otherwise I wouldn't touch it.

Windows 7 is nice.

... Internal Error: The system has been taken over by sheep at line 19960

yeah, it's amazing what some code patches and new graphics can do to Vista. they can't fix the old version, but they can rename it and fix it and sell us
a new license.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Corey to Jon Justvig on Thu Mar 25 2010 06:46 pm

yeah, it's amazing what some code patches and new graphics can do to Vista. they can't fix the old version, but they can rename it and fix it and sell u a new license.

Ya, & I get all my Ubuntu updates / upgrades for free! AND it's a far
superior operating system...

-Rassilon...


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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Jon Justvig to Rassilon on Thu Mar 25 2010 06:13 pm

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Tracker1 to Rassilon on Wed Mar 24 2010 11:34 am

I haven't really seen Window 7 yet so I can't really comment. Didn't like 2000 myself but I have this real hard-core computer geek friend that swears by it for some reason. I deal with XP (occasionally) because I have some software that HAS to run on it. Otherwise I wouldn't touch it.

Windows 7 is nice.

... Internal Error: The system has been taken over by sheep at line 19960

yeah, it's amazing what some code patches and new graphics can do to Vista. they can't fix the old version, but they can rename it and fix
it and sell us a new license.

Windows 7 is not Vista.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Jon Justvig to Corey on Fri Mar 26 2010 12:16 am

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Jon Justvig to Rassilon on Thu Mar 25 2010 06:13 pm

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Tracker1 to Rassilon on Wed Mar 24 2010 11:34 am

I haven't really seen Window 7 yet so I can't really comment.
Didn't like 2000 myself but I have this real hard-core computer
geek friend that swears by it for some reason. I deal with XP (occasionally) because I have some software that HAS to run on it. Otherwise I wouldn't touch it.

Windows 7 is nice.

... Internal Error: The system has been taken over by sheep at line
19960

yeah, it's amazing what some code patches and new graphics can do to Vista. they can't fix the old version, but they can rename it and fix it and sell us a new license.

Windows 7 is not Vista.

Well Vista is Windows NT v6.0 and Windows 7 is NT v6.1. So Windows 7 *is* Vista.1 if you will.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Jon Justvig to Corey on Fri Mar 26 2010 12:16 am

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Jon Justvig to Rassilon on Thu Mar 25 2010 06:13 pm

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Tracker1 to Rassilon on Wed Mar 24 2010 11:34 am

I haven't really seen Window 7 yet so I can't really comment. Didn' like 2000 myself but I have this real hard-core computer geek friend that swears by it for some reason. I deal with XP (occasionally) because I have some software that HAS to run on it. Otherwise I wouldn't touch it.

Windows 7 is nice.

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yeah, it's amazing what some code patches and new graphics can do to Vista. they can't fix the old version, but they can rename it and fix it and sell us a new license.

Windows 7 is not Vista.

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thats what the techs on the street are saying.
but I sort of like win 7. I have it on my netbook and it's sort of fast.
on a hp mini-311 with 2 gigs ram and a 160 gig hard drive.
Vista would make that run like a apple lisa.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Jon Justvig to Corey on Fri Mar 26 2010 12:16 am

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yeah, it's amazing what some code patches and new graphics can do to Vista. they can't fix the old version, but they can rename it and fix it and sell us a new license.

Windows 7 is not Vista.

Well Vista is Windows NT v6.0 and Windows 7 is NT v6.1. So Windows 7
*is* Vista.1 if you will.

That doesn't make a lot of sense. I suppose it's because Vista got such a
bad name for whatever reasons they renamed it like Corey had posted. Thanks for the correction.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Jon Justvig to Corey on Fri Mar 26 2010 12:16 am

thats what the techs on the street are saying.
but I sort of like win 7. I have it on my netbook and it's sort of
fast. on a hp mini-311 with 2 gigs ram and a 160 gig hard drive.
Vista would make that run like a apple lisa.

I enjoy Windows 7, it runs smooth ony my machine as well.


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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Corey to Jon Justvig on Thu Mar 25 2010 06:46 pm

yeah, it's amazing what some code patches and new graphics can do to Vista. they can't fix the old version, but they can rename it and fix it and sell u a new license.

Who said anything about selling or buying? Whoever thinks MS is a thievary cult, why don't you just steal from them as well?

Or.. If you just can't bring yourself to try their product for free, the next time you go buy a new computer, you'll get a free copy with it.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Rassilon to Corey on Thu Mar 25 2010 11:32 pm

Ya, & I get all my Ubuntu updates / upgrades for free! AND it's a far superior operating system...

Yep. All up until ATI or Nvidia decides to not support your video card on linux anymore. Then, well.. you're fucked.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Access Denied to Rassilon on Fri Mar 26 2010 16:55:30

Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Rassilon to Corey on Thu Mar 25 2010 11:32 pm

Ya, & I get all my Ubuntu updates / upgrades for free! AND it's a far superior operating system...

Yep. All up until ATI or Nvidia decides to not support your video card on li anymore. Then, well.. you're fucked.

I kicked Ubuntu to the kurb after installing Windows 7. Only linux box I have now is the server, after all thats what it is really good at.

Windows 7 is a really good OS, better than XP. Vista was like Windows ME...

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Lurch to Access Denied on Sat Mar 27 2010 05:35 pm

I kicked Ubuntu to the kurb after installing Windows 7. Only linux box I hav now is the server, after all thats what it is really good at.

I think I installed Ubuntu twice to go for an easy approach at a linux OS after working in Gentoo for years. Ubuntu is just to convert Windows users to Linux, is all. You still have your problems, depending on what hardware you have, etc. So no, it's not better than any other OS, just like Windows is not better than any other OS. They all have their flaws. You just pick out what you can put up with, I guess.

Windows 7 is a really good OS, better than XP. Vista was like Windows ME...

I can definitely agree with that. I have Win7 Ultimate on one desktop, and Win7 home premium on the other, and haven't had one single problem yet. Granted I'm going to turn my older desktop into a linux box again, just so I have the best of both worlds, and if I'm testing software or anything related, I can test on both platforms. But even if, I might just run VMs to do that stuff these days... I have the ram to allocate. lol

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Rassilon to Access Denied on Sun Mar 28 2010 07:24 am

Farg U.

Ubuntu rox!

So because someone pointed out to you that Ubuntu has the same amount of problems as Windows, or Debian, or Gentoo, or Slackware, OSX, you're going to tell them to fuck off? That's real nice. Where's this stalker you speak of? Maybe he has some nice things to say about you as well.

I'm glad you're a Ubuntu fanboy, that's great. I'm also aware of the fact that it's the #1 used distro out there (even though the age group majority is probably 12-18, just by trying to read the Ubuntu forums). It's also the closest thing to Windows you can get, which is why so many people switched over. Just pointing out facts here, buddy, no need to get all defensive.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Access Denied to Rassilon on Sun Mar 28 2010 11:31 am

I'm glad you're a Ubuntu fanboy, that's great. I'm also aware of the fact th it's the #1 used distro out there (even though the age group majority is probably 12-18, just by trying to read the Ubuntu forums). It's also the closest thing to Windows you can get, which is why so many people switched over. Just pointing out facts here, buddy, no need to get all defensive.

Ouch. :)

Not to fan the flames, but I've used a lot of distros and really ever since package repos got to be ubiquitous and everyones installers started being easy to use, everything has kinda felt the same. Sure some have one wm or the other out of the box... but few of them really stand out as terribly different from the next.

That said, I concede that Gentoo stands aside a little as... a little different from the rest.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Access Denied to Lurch on Sat Mar 27 2010 11:50 pm

Farg U.

Ubuntu rox!

I've got to agree with you there.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Access Denied to Lurch on Sat Mar 27 2010 23:50:24

I think I installed Ubuntu twice to go for an easy approach at a linux OS af working in Gentoo for years. Ubuntu is just to convert Windows users to Linu is all. You still have your problems, depending on what hardware you have, e So no, it's not better than any other OS, just like Windows is not better th any other OS. They all have their flaws. You just pick out what you can put with, I guess.

Ubuntu is pretty easy to use, although there are a couple of things that they still havent worked out yet. If they could get more gaming support I may switch back but after playing around with wine and cedega it just became too annoying in the end.

Although I managed to get WoW to run really really well.

I can definitely agree with that. I have Win7 Ultimate on one desktop, and W home premium on the other, and haven't had one single problem yet.

I've been using Linux since Redhat 4.0 and Windows since 3.11 for workgroups, and before that QEMM running DOS for the BBS and good ol' desqview so I could have multinode... man that was unstable. I'd have to say my favorite OS of the bunch would be Windows 7. It's clean, fast, I have had no issues (apart from some old scanner but meh).

As for the server side, I've tried Windows Server 2003/2008 and home server and was really let down to the results. Switched to Ubuntu server and web hosting runs really quick now, not to mention I have a decent web based control panel for domains/email and no clumsy GUI with security holes and it sucking up all the resources.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Access Denied to Rassilon on Fri Mar 26 2010 04:55 pm

Ya, & I get all my Ubuntu updates / upgrades for free! AND it's a far superior operating system...

Yep. All up until ATI or Nvidia decides to not support your video card on li anymore. Then, well.. you're fucked.

The open source drivers existed before official support for the OS appeared from the vendor. The default nv driver still isn't supported by nVidia. Not positive of the state of ATI, but last I looked, they were a lot more open (read "not the guys writing the drivers").

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Access Denied to Rassilon on Sun Mar 28 2010 11:31 am

Farg U.

Ubuntu rox!

So because someone pointed out to you that Ubuntu has the same amount of problems as Windows, or Debian, or Gentoo, or Slackware, OSX, you're going t tell them to fuck off? That's real nice. Where's this stalker you speak of? Maybe he has some nice things to say about you as well.

Nah. The only reason why I said that was 'cuz I was lit. I gotta stop getting drunk & going on the internet. My apologies. I was out of line.

I'm glad you're a Ubuntu fanboy, that's great. I'm also aware of the fact th it's the #1 used distro out there (even though the age group majority is probably 12-18, just by trying to read the Ubuntu forums). It's also the closest thing to Windows you can get, which is why so many people switched over. Just pointing out facts here, buddy, no need to get all defensive.

Well, I haven't used any other linux distros so I don't know if it's the most like windows...and if it is the most like windows then windows is SERIOUSLY LACKING. Ubuntu does sooo much more than Windows could ever dream of.

I'm not getting defensive. I think that probably 75% of windows users would switch to ubuntu if they tried it & had someone who knew the majority of it's features show them what amazing stuff they can do with it.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Dotcom to Access Denied on Sun Mar 28 2010 01:15 pm

Ouch. :)

I wasn't trying to flame at all. Just stating facts, as I have used Ubuntu before. It didn't last very long, either.

Not to fan the flames, but I've used a lot of distros and really ever since package repos got to be ubiquitous and everyones installers started being ea to use, everything has kinda felt the same. Sure some have one wm or the ot out of the box... but few of them really stand out as terribly different fro the next.

I agree. Everyone is jumping on the bandwagon of making it easier for everyone, which is great and all, but now they're all starting to look and feel the same.

That said, I concede that Gentoo stands aside a little as... a little differ from the rest.

That's actually what I used for 5+ years. I just couldn't take the time of my life I wasted compiling. I'd rather have something that works right away, instead of something I have to wait a week to get completed. Debian seems to be the go-to distro for 'do it yourself' and easiness of binary packages I guess. But Sabayon (Gentoo based) makes it easier by adding a binary package manager as well.

Then again, if you're any kind of gamer, or like playing the new stuff that comes out.. you're forced to stick with Windows most of the time because noone besides Linux nuts want to make anything for Linux. *shrug*

It's a horse apiece. Whatever floats your boat. Arguing about it, or trying to ask "What's the best OS?" is just plain ridiculous. Try them all, figure out which one you like the best, and when you do find one you like, see if you can help make it better, rather than posting "<Insert distro/OS here> ROX!"

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Lurch to Access Denied on Mon Mar 29 2010 06:25 pm

Ubuntu is pretty easy to use, although there are a couple of things that the still havent worked out yet. If they could get more gaming support I may swi back but after playing around with wine and cedega it just became too annoyi in the end.

Yep. Just like every other OS, including Windows. Everything has its' issues. You find what you like, and stick with it (usually).

I never played around with Cedega, but used wine for a few small programs I needed to use. I picked up an Asus i5 about a month ago, and I highly doubt it's going to run Linux for a long time. Maybe someday when it's outdated and I can't play the latest and greatest games, but since they aren't even using the max potential on 2 cores yet, I have a feeling this desktop will be just fine for quite some time.

I've been using Linux since Redhat 4.0 and Windows since 3.11 for workgroups and before that QEMM running DOS for the BBS and good ol' desqview so I coul have multinode... man that was unstable. I'd have to say my favorite OS of t bunch would be Windows 7. It's clean, fast, I have had no issues (apart from some old scanner but meh).

Pretty much the same here, except the Linux part. I just got into linux about 4-5 years ago, which was a great run.. but I'd have to agree with you on the favorite as of right now. When I update, I don't want to have to reinstall my video drivers every time. I also don't want things to break if you forget to update for awhile, or when you do a version upgrade.

This version of Windows has been flawless so far.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Deuce to Access Denied on Mon Mar 29 2010 02:03 pm

The open source drivers existed before official support for the OS appeared from the vendor. The default nv driver still isn't supported by nVidia. No positive of the state of ATI, but last I looked, they were a lot more open (read "not the guys writing the drivers").

And when you use the open source drivers then open more than two windows at once it locks up? Yeah no thanks. Windows seems to keep their working code in the driver packages for older hardware, and Linux decides to make a "Legacy Driver" package, which means you have to install that, and make sure you never update it, otherwise you're spending time trying to fix it. I love linux for servers, don't get me wrong. But for a desktop, I'd rather choose Windows 7.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Rassilon to Access Denied on Mon Mar 29 2010 21:47:00

I'm not getting defensive. I think that probably 75% of windows users would switch to ubuntu if they tried it & had someone who knew the majority of it' features show them what amazing stuff they can do with it.

I tried Ubuntu recently (about a year ago) and I think it was getting pretty slick but still needs some polishing. Whatever default GUI I was using was a bit messy and not as intuitive as it would need to be before 75% of typical users could handle it day to day. Maybe it's improved since then, maybe you're overestimating the average user.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: echicken to Rassilon on Tue Mar 30 2010 09:30 am

Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Rassilon to Access Denied on Mon Mar 29 2010 21:47:00

I'm not getting defensive. I think that probably 75% of windows users wo switch to ubuntu if they tried it & had someone who knew the majority of features show them what amazing stuff they can do with it.

I tried Ubuntu recently (about a year ago) and I think it was getting pretty slick but still needs some polishing. Whatever default GUI I was using was bit messy and not as intuitive as it would need to be before 75% of typical users could handle it day to day. Maybe it's improved since then, maybe you overestimating the average user.

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have you tryed the one that came from the redhat source?
I think it's call centos or something.


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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Access Denied to Dotcom on Mon Mar 29 2010 06:13 pm

Then again, if you're any kind of gamer, or like playing the new stuff that comes out.. you're forced to stick with Windows most of the time because noo besides Linux nuts want to make anything for Linux. *shrug*

Ya, I know. That's the one thing that sucks about linux. That's why I've got XP on a dual boot...I have it if I need it...never use it, but it's there...& have old games on my XP partition that I used to play.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: echicken to Rassilon on Tue Mar 30 2010 09:30 am

I tried Ubuntu recently (about a year ago) and I think it was getting pretty slick but still needs some polishing. Whatever default GUI I was using was bit messy and not as intuitive as it would need to be before 75% of typical users could handle it day to day. Maybe it's improved since then, maybe you overestimating the average user.

Yeah, to be honest, the newest version of Ubunutu (9.10 Karmic Koala) has been a bit of a let down...when it first came out there were lots of bugs but all the recent updates have taken care of all the problems I had to begin with.

9.04 (the last version) was solid from start to finish. I believe that was probably the best kernel I've seen.

And ya, you're right. I do overestimate the average user.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Access Denied to Deuce on Mon Mar 29 2010 06:30 pm

And when you use the open source drivers then open more than two windows at once it locks up? Yeah no thanks. Windows seems to keep their working code i

Never had that happen with any video card.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Rassilon to Access Denied on Mon Mar 29 2010 09:47 pm

Well, I haven't used any other linux distros so I don't know if it's the mos like windows...and if it is the most like windows then windows is SERIOUSLY LACKING. Ubuntu does sooo much more than Windows could ever dream of.

Like what, exactly?

Are you a gamer of any sort? Wine and Cedega friggin blow.

I'm not getting defensive. I think that probably 75% of windows users would switch to ubuntu if they tried it & had someone who knew the majority of it' features show them what amazing stuff they can do with it.

And when their video card on a laptop becomes unsupported for linux because ATI or NVIDIA want to get rid of older code? Windows versions keep that code.

Server, yes. Desktop, no thanks.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Rassilon to Access Denied on Wed Mar 31 2010 01:25 am

Ya, I know. That's the one thing that sucks about linux. That's why I've g XP on a dual boot...I have it if I need it...never use it, but it's there... have old games on my XP partition that I used to play.

And the truth comes out.. :)

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Deuce to Access Denied on Tue Mar 30 2010 06:04 pm

Never had that happen with any video card.

Look up the Xpress 200m, as well as the rest of the cards they decided to label "legacy".

Glad you had such good luck in your endeavours.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Rassilon to Access Denied on Wed Mar 31 2010 01:25 am

Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Access Denied to Dotcom on Mon Mar 29 2010 06:13 pm

Then again, if you're any kind of gamer, or like playing the new stuff th comes out.. you're forced to stick with Windows most of the time because besides Linux nuts want to make anything for Linux. *shrug*

Ya, I know. That's the one thing that sucks about linux. That's why I've g XP on a dual boot...I have it if I need it...never use it, but it's there... have old games on my XP partition that I used to play.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Corey to echicken on Tue Mar 30 2010 09:17 am

have you tryed the one that came from the redhat source?
I think it's call centos or something.

Fedora Core, CentOS, & I'm sure that there are others. RedHat goes WAY back, so there are bound to be many spin-offs.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: No2pencil to Rassilon on Thu Apr 01 2010 02:21 am

I have gaming consoles for games, computers for computing. Linux/Unix works designed as does my Xbox & NES :)

Windows on a good computer is way better than Xbox.

For me of course, Xbox is "good enough" though.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Access Denied to Rassilon on Wed Mar 31 2010 06:26 pm

SERIOUSLY LACKING. Ubuntu does sooo much more than Windows could ever dream of.

Like what, exactly?

Are you a gamer of any sort? Wine and Cedega friggin blow.

Well, for one Ubuntu is a million times faster. When I boot off my linux partition it takes about 30 seconds to boot. When I boot off my Windows partition it takes 3+ minutes to boot.

Secondly, there is so much really cool **FREE** software for Ubuntu. It's a real development OS.

And more, Ubuntu almost never crashes for any reason. I run with four desktops full of running programs all the time and as long as I keep those programs running un-maximized or minimized, Ubuntu runs just as fast as if I only have a browser and telnet client running.

No, I'm not a gamer at all. The last time I did any kind of gaming was about a year ago when I moved in with my girlfriend and she had a bunch of games that I found interesting. Got burnt out fast.

That, and I've been getting into these BBS Door games recently.

And ya, WINE blows - but at least Linux is doing something to TRY to support Windows, that's better than anything you can say for microsoft.

And when their video card on a laptop becomes unsupported for linux because ATI or NVIDIA want to get rid of older code? Windows versions keep that code.

I've never heard of anyone not being able to get an older laptop video driver. Worst case scenario is that it would work - and work well - but you wouldn't be able to get any advanced video effects, which you really don't need anyway.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Access Denied to Rassilon on Wed Mar 31 2010 06:27 pm

Ya, I know. That's the one thing that sucks about linux. That's why I've g XP on a dual boot...I have it if I need it...never use it, but it's there... have old games on my XP partition that I used to play.

And the truth comes out.. :)

Big deal. Ubuntu isn't a GAMING operating system. As I said, I don't game. And when I feel like it I either use my laptop (which is now always running synchronet) or boot into Windows.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: No2pencil to Rassilon on Thu Apr 01 2010 02:21 am

I have gaming consoles for games, computers for computing. Linux/Unix
works as designed as does my Xbox & NES :)

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Rassilon to Access Denied on Thu Apr 01 2010 11:22 pm

Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Access Denied to Rassilon on Wed Mar 31 2010 06:27 pm

Ya, I know. That's the one thing that sucks about linux. That's why I've g XP on a dual boot...I have it if I need it...never use it, but it's there... have old games on my XP partition that I used to play.

And the truth comes out.. :)

Big deal. Ubuntu isn't a GAMING operating system. As I said, I don't game. And when I feel like it I either use my laptop (which is now always running synchronet) or boot into Windows.

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have you tried the server kernel?

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Corey to Rassilon on Thu Apr 01 2010 06:15 pm

have you tried the server kernel?

What? For Ubuntu? I'm scared to. I tried to but the installer is different than the desktop version & therefore the partition editor is different. I didn't want to take any risks installing the server version & wipe out my windows partition...

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Deuce to No2pencil on Thu Apr 01 2010 10:38:54

Re: Re: NTLDR
By: No2pencil to Rassilon on Thu Apr 01 2010 02:21 am

I have gaming consoles for games, computers for computing. Linux/Unix wo designed as does my Xbox & NES :)

Windows on a good computer is way better than Xbox.

For me of course, Xbox is "good enough" though.

I'd have to say comparing gaming on a console i.e. xbox/xbox 360/PS2/PS3 and gaming on an up to date PC, the PC makes the console appear a step or two behind.

Don't get me wrong I like to play on consoles alot but I get more out of a PC. Plus I dont have to contend with MS or Sony changing the ball game whenever they like. Which seems to be more and more common now that consoles are connected to the internet.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Lurch to Deuce on Fri Apr 02 2010 11:19 pm

I'd have to say comparing gaming on a console i.e. xbox/xbox 360/PS2/PS3
and gaming on an up to date PC, the PC makes the console appear a step or two behind.

Don't get me wrong I like to play on consoles alot but I get more out of a PC. Plus I dont have to contend with MS or Sony changing the ball game whenever they like. Which seems to be more and more common now that
consoles are connected to the internet.

Well, I can't say I agree with you...all the games I've played on an up-to-date designated game system are way better than PC games.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Rassilon to Access Denied on Thu Apr 01 2010 11:21 pm

Well, for one Ubuntu is a million times faster. When I boot off my linux partition it takes about 30 seconds to boot. When I boot off my Windows partition it takes 3+ minutes to boot.

That's odd, it only takes about 20-30 seconds for both of my desktops to load Windows 7. That and I don't think I've ever had it take more than a minute to load any Windows version I've ever used.

I've also ran Ubuntu before, and never noticed any speed difference, since Ubuntu loads a bunch of cruft when booting just like Windows does. You just seem to be using typical fanboy excuses here.

Secondly, there is so much really cool **FREE** software for Ubuntu. It's a real development OS.

Even more odd, a lot of that free software is also available on Windows. Granted there's software out there you can pay for (if you really want to) as well. All your normal things you would load onto a desktop (ie: browser, email cient, office suite, torrent client, media players, whatever.. 90% of the good ones are available on both OSes.

And more, Ubuntu almost never crashes for any reason. I run with four deskt full of running programs all the time and as long as I keep those programs running un-maximized or minimized, Ubuntu runs just as fast as if I only hav browser and telnet client running.

And I've never had Windows 7 crash on me, either. I run it on two desktops currently, one of them is running SBBS, which is what.. like 8 servers in one? Plus an IRC client open, a Torrent client running, flash policy server, and an antivirus all at the same time. The only time it gets shut off is when I have to restart due to an update (which Ubuntu does, as well). So I still have yet to see your point. Ubuntu is no better than Windows or OSX. They're all bloated OSes that offer the most, but don't run the fastest.

If you were trying to argue with me about like BSD, Debian, Slack, Gentoo, or something that comes with no bloat, I wouldn't be arguing. But all you're doing is talking up /your personal/ favorite OS. Your reasoning isn't really helping your argument one bit. Ubuntu is one of, if not the most bloated Linux OS out there.

No, I'm not a gamer at all. The last time I did any kind of gaming was abou year ago when I moved in with my girlfriend and she had a bunch of games tha found interesting. Got burnt out fast.

Which is totally fine. I didn't play any computer games for probably 10 years. I finally got a computer fast enough to play the newest ones that are coming out, and I kinda got back into it. Who knows how long it will last, but it's fun while it lasts. I have realized though, that PC gaming is WAY better graphics than consoles (of course, if you have the hardware to run these games on max settings).

And ya, WINE blows - but at least Linux is doing something to TRY to support Windows, that's better than anything you can say for microsoft.

Linux, afaik, has nothing to do with WINE. Wine has it's own developers, just like any other software out there, usually.

Microsoft doesn't make ATARI, AMIGA, NES, SNES, SEGA, NEOGEO, TG16, PS, PS2, PS3, XBOX, and XBOX360 (probably missing a bunch, but I figure with that many, you'll get my point) emulators for their OS, but rather, other developers make every one of those that can be used on Windows.

Windows doesn't TRY to support Linux, just like Linux doesn't TRY to support Windows. The developers are the ones that make things happen, and where you have Wine for linux.. a quick google search reveals that there indeed ARE
Linux emulators out there, and quite a few actually.

I've never heard of anyone not being able to get an older laptop video drive Worst case scenario is that it would work - and work well - but you wouldn't able to get any advanced video effects, which you really don't need anyway.

Sure, you can always grab the drivers. But then good luck EVER trying to update your computer again, with that Linux distro, and all the dependencies that come with it. Again, maybe you wouldn't have this problem with Slackware, but you will definitely have it with Ubuntu.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Rassilon to Access Denied on Thu Apr 01 2010 11:22 pm

Big deal. Ubuntu isn't a GAMING operating system. As I said, I don't game. And when I feel like it I either use my laptop (which is now always running synchronet) or boot into Windows.

Why would it not be? Have you ever looked in the Ubuntu repositories? It's definitely not a DEVELOPMENT operating system either. It's made to be an "all around" OS, otherwise it would still be packaged as DEBIAN.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Access Denied to Rassilon on Fri Apr 02 2010 04:57 pm

Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Rassilon to Access Denied on Thu Apr 01 2010 11:21 pm

Well, for one Ubuntu is a million times faster. When I boot off my linux partition it takes about 30 seconds to boot. When I boot off my Windows partition it takes 3+ minutes to boot.

That's odd, it only takes about 20-30 seconds for both of my desktops to loa Windows 7. That and I don't think I've ever had it take more than a minute t load any Windows version I've ever used.

I've also ran Ubuntu before, and never noticed any speed difference, since Ubuntu loads a bunch of cruft when booting just like Windows does. You just seem to be using typical fanboy excuses here.

Secondly, there is so much really cool **FREE** software for Ubuntu. It' real development OS.

Even more odd, a lot of that free software is also available on Windows. Granted there's software out there you can pay for (if you really want to) a well. All your normal things you would load onto a desktop (ie: browser, ema cient, office suite, torrent client, media players, whatever.. 90% of the go ones are available on both OSes.

And more, Ubuntu almost never crashes for any reason. I run with four de full of running programs all the time and as long as I keep those program running un-maximized or minimized, Ubuntu runs just as fast as if I only browser and telnet client running.

And I've never had Windows 7 crash on me, either. I run it on two desktops currently, one of them is running SBBS, which is what.. like 8 servers in on Plus an IRC client open, a Torrent client running, flash policy server, and antivirus all at the same time. The only time it gets shut off is when I hav to restart due to an update (which Ubuntu does, as well). So I still have ye to see your point. Ubuntu is no better than Windows or OSX. They're all bloa OSes that offer the most, but don't run the fastest.

If you were trying to argue with me about like BSD, Debian, Slack, Gentoo, o something that comes with no bloat, I wouldn't be arguing. But all you're do is talking up /your personal/ favorite OS. Your reasoning isn't really helpi your argument one bit. Ubuntu is one of, if not the most bloated Linux OS ou there.

No, I'm not a gamer at all. The last time I did any kind of gaming was a year ago when I moved in with my girlfriend and she had a bunch of games found interesting. Got burnt out fast.

Which is totally fine. I didn't play any computer games for probably 10 year I finally got a computer fast enough to play the newest ones that are coming out, and I kinda got back into it. Who knows how long it will last, but it's fun while it lasts. I have realized though, that PC gaming is WAY better graphics than consoles (of course, if you have the hardware to run these gam on max settings).

And ya, WINE blows - but at least Linux is doing something to TRY to supp Windows, that's better than anything you can say for microsoft.

Linux, afaik, has nothing to do with WINE. Wine has it's own developers, jus like any other software out there, usually.

Microsoft doesn't make ATARI, AMIGA, NES, SNES, SEGA, NEOGEO, TG16, PS, PS2, PS3, XBOX, and XBOX360 (probably missing a bunch, but I figure with that man you'll get my point) emulators for their OS, but rather, other developers ma every one of those that can be used on Windows.

Windows doesn't TRY to support Linux, just like Linux doesn't TRY to support Windows. The developers are the ones that make things happen, and where you have Wine for linux.. a quick google search reveals that there indeed ARE Linux emulators out there, and quite a few actually.

I've never heard of anyone not being able to get an older laptop video dr Worst case scenario is that it would work - and work well - but you would able to get any advanced video effects, which you really don't need anywa

Sure, you can always grab the drivers. But then good luck EVER trying to upd your computer again, with that Linux distro, and all the dependencies that c with it. Again, maybe you wouldn't have this problem with Slackware, but you will definitely have it with Ubuntu.

axisd

my win 7 on my netbook with 2 gigs ram and a atom n270 cpu takes like less than a minute to load.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Corey to Access Denied on Fri Apr 02 2010 09:01 pm

my win 7 on my netbook with 2 gigs ram and a atom n270 cpu takes like less t a minute to load.

Is that good? I've never tinkered with a netbook. Are they usually slower than desktops?

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Access Denied to Corey on Sat Apr 03 2010 10:32 am

Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Corey to Access Denied on Fri Apr 02 2010 09:01 pm

my win 7 on my netbook with 2 gigs ram and a atom n270 cpu takes like les a minute to load.

Is that good? I've never tinkered with a netbook. Are they usually slower th desktops?

axisd

most of the minis I looked at took like 4 mins to load with Vista.
even with like 3 gigs of ram. my HP mini311-1037NR is even faster than a Acer Aspire One.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Access Denied to Rassilon on Fri Apr 02 2010 05:02 pm

Why would it not be? Have you ever looked in the Ubuntu repositories? It's definitely not a DEVELOPMENT operating system either. It's made to be an "all around" OS, otherwise it would still be packaged as DEBIAN.

Uhm, it *IS* Debian.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Corey to Access Denied on Fri Apr 02 2010 09:01 pm

my win 7 on my netbook with 2 gigs ram and a atom n270 cpu takes like less than a minute to load.

Well, they must have done something right about Windows 7 then. I've only heard people saying good things about it.

My friend has a brand new (not sure of the speed but pretty damn fast - faster than mine) & Windows Vista takes about 4 or 5 minutes to boot on that system.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Rassilon to Corey on Sun Apr 04 2010 12:57 am

Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Corey to Access Denied on Fri Apr 02 2010 09:01 pm

my win 7 on my netbook with 2 gigs ram and a atom n270 cpu takes like les than a minute to load.

Well, they must have done something right about Windows 7 then. I've only heard people saying good things about it.

My friend has a brand new (not sure of the speed but pretty damn fast - fast than mine) & Windows Vista takes about 4 or 5 minutes to boot on that system

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tell then to buy a 7 license asap.

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Rassilon wrote:

Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Corey to Access Denied on Fri Apr 02 2010 09:01 pm

my win 7 on my netbook with 2 gigs ram and a atom n270 cpu takes like less than a minute to load.

Well, they must have done something right about Windows 7 then. I've only heard people saying good things about it.

What, the whole 3 people who use it like it? ;P I've let some of my
more advanced users at work get laptops with Win7 instead of XP
downgrade so we'll see how that goes.. :o

My friend has a brand new (not sure of the speed but pretty damn fast - faster
than mine) & Windows Vista takes about 4 or 5 minutes to boot on that system.

I've had pretty good luck with Vista on a Inspiron E1705 laptop. On the
other hand, I've had a guy with another Dell laptop (cant remember
model) where it puked all over the place. (Current SP seemed to cure it however)

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Rassilon to Access Denied on Sun Apr 04 2010 12:54 am

Why would it not be? Have you ever looked in the Ubuntu repositories? It' definitely not a DEVELOPMENT operating system either. It's made to be an "all around" OS, otherwise it would still be packaged as DEBIAN.

Uhm, it *IS* Debian.

Indeed it is, all Ubuntu have done is take the unstable tree from debian, photo shop a few logo's and voila a new distro - they hardly ever contribute to the kernel tree unlike other distro's Debian, RedHat, SuSE etc etc - good on Ubuntu for giving more exposure, but shame on you for not contributing back to the whole linux drive.


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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Rassilon to Lurch on Fri Apr 02 2010 02:38 pm

Well, I can't say I agree with you...all the games I've played on an up-to-d designated game system are way better than PC games.

Tye the same game on an up-to-date designated PC system.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Rassilon to Access Denied on Sun Apr 04 2010 12:54 am

Uhm, it *IS* Debian.

You're obviously not listening. First off, it's a FORK of Debian.. and second, it's a VERY BLOATED Debian.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Wingede to Rassilon on Mon Apr 05 2010 09:59 am

Uhm, it *IS* Debian.

Indeed it is, all Ubuntu have done is take the unstable tree from debian, photo shop a few logo's and voila a new distro - they hardly ever
contribute to the kernel tree unlike other distro's Debian, RedHat, SuSE
etc etc - good on Ubuntu for giving more exposure, but shame on you for not contributing back to the whole linux drive.

Well, I don't know about that. I'll have to take your word for it...

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Deuce wrote:

Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Rassilon to Lurch on Fri Apr 02 2010 02:38 pm

Well, I can't say I agree with you...all the games I've played on an up-to-d
designated game system are way better than PC games.

Tye the same game on an up-to-date designated PC system.

I agree, I used to play a lot of Battlefield 2 and a buddy at work had
it on Xbox360. Could you believe I could play online for free and in a
64 player game? He had to pay $ monthly and the max was like 24 player
game. Muhaha.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Deuce to Rassilon on Mon Apr 05 2010 16:47:24

Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Rassilon to Lurch on Fri Apr 02 2010 02:38 pm

Well, I can't say I agree with you...all the games I've played on an up-t designated game system are way better than PC games.

Tye the same game on an up-to-date designated PC system.

Lost this thread awhile I'll reply here d:) TBH the graphic difference between an XBox 360 / PS3 vs a PC with a high end directx 11 card is like night and day.

The graphics on my PC just blow the consoles away and the speed difference on the PC is also a deciding factor.

The thing I do like about consoles are the gaming accessories ie. guitars/mic's etc... but hey you can get guitar hero for the PC d:)

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On 3/29/2010 6:47 PM, Rassilon wrote:

I'm not getting defensive. I think that probably 75% of windows users would switch to ubuntu if they tried it& had someone who knew the majority of it's features show them what amazing stuff they can do with it.

I converted 5 people to Ubuntu, 3 converted back in less than a month, 1 after about 8 months, the other switched back to windows after a new computer 14 months later...

It pretty much comes down to being able to play the games you buy at the store, and WINE/Crossover didn't do well enough for them. Personally, I don't play too many games that aren't open-source and/or cross platform. And beyond that, all my primary programs (aside from dev in VMs) runs pretty much on any platform I care to run. Though FreeBSD lags behind a bit in some areas of software.

I'll stick to Win7 on my desktop for now (after 7+ OSes/Distros in the past 6 years). It's the first one I liked, without issue on my own desktop. The Ubuntu 9.04 regression issues on my netbook (intel gfx) pretty much triggered the switch (worked so well, switched my desktop too).

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On 3/30/2010 10:31 PM, Rassilon wrote:

Yeah, to be honest, the newest version of Ubunutu (9.10 Karmic Koala) has been
a bit of a let down...when it first came out there were lots of bugs but all the recent updates have taken care of all the problems I had to begin with.

9.04 (the last version) was solid from start to finish. I believe that was probably the best kernel I've seen.

And ya, you're right. I do overestimate the average user.

Try it (9.04) on a system with Intel graphics (about 2/3 of computers out there), and it doesn't run so well, couldn't even play frozen bubble and keep up.

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On 4/1/2010 8:21 PM, Rassilon wrote:

Well, for one Ubuntu is a million times faster. When I boot off my linux partition it takes about 30 seconds to boot. When I boot off my Windows partition it takes 3+ minutes to boot.

32seconds to boot from a cold start (OS portion after bios handoff is about 15 seconds or so)

Secondly, there is so much really cool **FREE** software for Ubuntu. It's a real development OS.

Agreed, though a lot of that is cross platform as well...

And more, Ubuntu almost never crashes for any reason. I run with four desktops
full of running programs all the time and as long as I keep those programs running un-maximized or minimized, Ubuntu runs just as fast as if I only have a
browser and telnet client running.

To be honest, the main points of crashing windows tends to be driver/hardware related and has been the case for a while, same for linux.

No, I'm not a gamer at all. The last time I did any kind of gaming was about a
year ago when I moved in with my girlfriend and she had a bunch of games that I
found interesting. Got burnt out fast.

Just about the same here... I don't play much, so can switch OSes about as much as I want.

That, and I've been getting into these BBS Door games recently.

And ya, WINE blows - but at least Linux is doing something to TRY to support Windows, that's better than anything you can say for microsoft.

Honestly MS has put a literal shit-ton of effort into backward compatibility, sometimes you need to cut the cord.

And when their video card on a laptop becomes unsupported for linux because >> ATI or NVIDIA want to get rid of older code? Windows versions keep that
code.

I've never heard of anyone not being able to get an older laptop video driver.
Worst case scenario is that it would work - and work well - but you wouldn't be
able to get any advanced video effects, which you really don't need anyway.

I've seen it a few times... Though imho wireless drivers on laptops are the single biggest point of pain/fail.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Tracker1 to Rassilon on Thu Apr 08 2010 01:22 am

I converted 5 people to Ubuntu, 3 converted back in less than a month, 1 after about 8 months, the other switched back to windows after a new computer 14 months later...

I converted a few people too. They all still use it on a dual boot. I would never suggest removing a windows partition. You may need it for something...games, etc. - That and if your ubuntu partition craps out (Which has only happened to me once in 6 years) you've got an emergency os to boot into & get something done if you need to.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Tracker1 to Rassilon on Thu Apr 08 2010 01:30 am

I've seen it a few times... Though imho wireless drivers on laptops are the single biggest point of pain/fail.

TELL ME ABOUT IT! Ya, wireless laptop drivers are a b*tch to get working on ubuntu...that damn ndiswrapper.

But I've done it so many times now I've got it down to a science.

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On 4/9/2010 4:51 AM, Rassilon wrote:

I've seen it a few times... Though imho wireless drivers on laptops are the >> single biggest point of pain/fail.

TELL ME ABOUT IT! Ya, wireless laptop drivers are a b*tch to get working on ubuntu...that damn ndiswrapper.

But I've done it so many times now I've got it down to a science.

Since 8.10 (more in 9.04) they have a lot of wireless driver modules loading at boot, typically you'll have a driver it thinks is right that you need to disable to get ndiswrapper to work right. Yeah, I haven't done it as much since 9.04...

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Tracker1 to Rassilon on Fri Apr 09 2010 11:23 pm

Since 8.10 (more in 9.04) they have a lot of wireless driver modules
loading at boot, typically you'll have a driver it thinks is right that you need to disable to get ndiswrapper to work right. Yeah, I haven't done it as much since 9.04...

I don't know...My laptop is so old I couldn't get it to run 9.10. Time for an upgrade. That's why I've got it sitting here running sbbs.

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And when you use the open source drivers then open more than two windows at once it locks up? Yeah no thanks. Windows seems to keep their working code in the driver packages for older hardware, and Linux decides to make a "Legacy Driver" package,

An issue caused by nVidia, not "Linux"...



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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Jame to Access Denied on Wed Apr 07 2010 11:35 am

And when you use the open source drivers then open more than two windows once it locks up? Yeah no thanks. Windows seems to keep their working cod in the driver packages for older hardware, and Linux decides to make a "Legacy Driver" package,

An issue caused by nVidia, not "Linux"...

Sorry for not clarifying. Though it wasn't Nvidia, it was in fact ATI that stopped supporting older hardware on linux but yet kept them in Windows. Most likely because MS pays them to. Kind of a bummer when you'd like to use Linux (and be able to keep up-to-date by upgrading, yet with things depending on newer video drivers it's impossible), but whatever. This original thing you replied to was quite a bit ago, so I'm trying to figure out what the point was in the first place.. but I think it was in the lines of every
OS/distrobution (whatever you want to call them) has both flaws and perks. It's user preference for the most part, and OS/distro wars are pointless, but yet they keep being brought about by people that prefer one over the other.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Access Denied to Jame on Tue May 04 2010 21:09:00

Ya...I just discovered that I'm having a problem with the new ubuntu 9.10. I've got a brand new ati video card that was supported in 9.04, but since I've upgraded to 9.10 I can't get out of low res & I have no video effects. Really pissing me off. I might just go back to 9.04.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Rassilon to Access Denied on Mon May 17 2010 08:51 am

Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Access Denied to Jame on Tue May 04 2010 21:09:00

Ya...I just discovered that I'm having a problem with the new ubuntu 9.10. I've got a brand new ati video card that was supported in 9.04, but since I' upgraded to 9.10 I can't get out of low res & I have no video effects. Real pissing me off. I might just go back to 9.04.

-Rassilon...

yeah, someone told me the new versions have a bunch of buggys in them.
I will keep my 9.04 for now.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Rassilon to Access Denied on Mon May 17 2010 08:51 am

Ya...I just discovered that I'm having a problem with the new ubuntu 9.10. I've got a brand new ati video card that was supported in 9.04, but since I' upgraded to 9.10 I can't get out of low res & I have no video effects. Real pissing me off. I might just go back to 9.04.

If it's a newer card, you probably just have to wait till the ati-drivers package is updated. Should follow soon after a new release (especially a release as large as *buntu).

Or, throw in the 9.04 repositories, and install the video drivers from there. I think that used to work in the past as well. Your best bet is to hit up the Ubuntu forums, I'm sure someone has already posted about it there.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Corey to Rassilon on Mon May 17 2010 12:09:40

yeah, someone told me the new versions have a bunch of buggys in them.
I will keep my 9.04 for now.

Yeah, I wish I had. Lucky I still have 9.04 on my laptop.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Access Denied to Rassilon on Mon May 17 2010 20:57:12

If it's a newer card, you probably just have to wait till the ati-drivers package is updated. Should follow soon after a new release (especially a release as large as *buntu).

Or, throw in the 9.04 repositories, and install the video drivers from there think that used to work in the past as well. Your best bet is to hit up the Ubuntu forums, I'm sure someone has already posted about it there.

Well, even with 9.04 I had to install the generic linux drivers. So, when I upgraded to the new version & my video effects weren't working, the first thing I did was try to reinstall them. When I did - no change. Pissed me off.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Rassilon to Corey on Tue May 18 2010 05:08 pm

Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Corey to Rassilon on Mon May 17 2010 12:09:40

yeah, someone told me the new versions have a bunch of buggys in them.
I will keep my 9.04 for now.

Yeah, I wish I had. Lucky I still have 9.04 on my laptop.

-Rassilon...

I might switch to centos, I have been looking at it for a while now.

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Rassilon to Access Denied on Tue May 18 2010 05:10 pm

Well, even with 9.04 I had to install the generic linux drivers. So, when I upgraded to the new version & my video effects weren't working, the first th I did was try to reinstall them. When I did - no change. Pissed me off.

Did you by chance try going about it manually installing the restricted drivers? That usually always worked best for me. There should be how-tos in the forums as well.

axisd

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Re: Re: NTLDR
By: Access Denied to Lurch on Sat Mar 27 2010 11:50 pm

Farg U.

Ubuntu rox!

-Rass...

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