This Privacy Ruling Against Facebook and Instagram Could Spell the End of Targeted Ads

Man, this is actually something I'm not a huge fan of. Sure, targeted ads and feeling as though you're being spied on is lame. Totally. I get it. But facebook is an opt-in platform. It's not a public utility like a library, it's a business. I don't see how any government can force a business to give away access to a commercial platform for free.

So what's any company that relies on ad revenue to give away services supposed to do? Charge for accounts? I guess?

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Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: esc to Ogg on Mon Feb 20 2023 02:57 pm

This Privacy Ruling Against Facebook and Instagram Could Spell the End of Targeted Ads

Man, this is actually something I'm not a huge fan of. Sure, targeted ads and feeling as though you're being spied on is lame. Totally. I get it. But facebook is an opt-in platform. It's not a public utility like a library, it's a business. I don't see how any government can force a business to give away access to a commercial platform for free.

So what's any company that relies on ad revenue to give away services supposed to do? Charge for accounts? I guess?

i would prefer they not target people and follow us around everywhere. if ending targetted ads does that, that would be nice.

maybe they can do anonymous tracking and show us ads that way.
like they don't know our name or any important info. just city, state and interests.
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i would prefer they not target people and follow us around everywhere.
if ending targetted ads does that, that would be nice.

Eh, it's an opt-in service. I'm not all about having the government regulate online services that we access for free knowing full well they do targeted ads. :/

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Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: esc to Ogg on Mon Feb 20 2023 02:57 pm

So what's any company that relies on ad revenue to give away services supposed to do? Charge

I have heard Facebook was rolling a paid account system. I guess they were anticipating that.

People seems to be very happy when some new regulation screws me over, so while I don't agree
(in principle) with these sort of regulations, I am ready to go out the street with a whiskey
bottle and celebrate.

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Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: esc to MRO on Mon Feb 20 2023 11:27 pm

i would prefer they not target people and follow us around everywhere. if ending targetted ads does that, that would be nice.

Eh, it's an opt-in service. I'm not all about having the government regulate online services

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The left 2023: "It is not ok for governments to interfere with legic private business such as
Facebook and destroy their revenew model".

This is not the left I remember. Leftists destroyed the left.

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Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: Arelor to esc on Tue Feb 21 2023 11:39 am

I have heard Facebook was rolling a paid account system. I guess they were anticipating that.

Interestingly, Twitter turned off SMS MFA on my account, as it's only available to TWITTER BLUE subscribers. TOTP through Google Auth, which is better, is *free*. Odd.
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Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: Arelor to esc on Tue Feb 21 2023 11:39 am

So what's any company that relies on ad revenue to give away services supposed to do? Charge

I have heard Facebook was rolling a paid account system. I guess they were anticipating that.

they would never do that.

only if it was for business and i dont think that worked out either.
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Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: Arelor to esc on Tue Feb 21 2023 11:46 am

The left 2023: "It is not ok for governments to interfere with legic private business such as Facebook and destroy their revenew model".

This is not the left I remember. Leftists destroyed the left.

oh you busted him here!

Eh, it's an opt-in service. I'm not all about having the government regulate online services

but if it was spreading disinformation about covid you wanted action taken, right?
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I have heard Facebook was rolling a paid account system. I guess they
were anticipating that.

Yeah, saw that. I don't think it would supplant the ads revenue, though. Guess we'll see :/

People seems to be very happy when some new regulation screws me over,
so while I don't agree
(in principle) with these sort of regulations, I am ready to go out the street with a whiskey
bottle and celebrate.

Interesting perspective

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The left 2020: "It is ok for Amazon and Google and Apple to collude and destroy Parler. It is
the market taking care of itself."

Nobody owes a platform to anyone else. Someone wants to make a right wing cesspool? Good luck getting some company to host it.

Yes, this is the market taking care of itself.

The left 2023: "It is not ok for governments to interfere with legic private business such as
Facebook and destroy their revenew model".

Correct. For an opt-in service that they host themselves.

I don't see what's controversial here. Sounds like some hurt feelings going on?

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but if it was spreading disinformation about covid you wanted action taken, right?

Facebook stopped the spread of covid disinformation themselves. The government did not compel this.

Just like nobody was willing to host Parler. Free market, baby!

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Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: esc to Arelor on Tue Feb 21 2023 07:02 pm

The left 2020: "It is ok for Amazon and Google and Apple to collude and destroy Parler. It is
the market taking care of itself."

Nobody owes a platform to anyone else. Someone wants to make a right wing cesspool? Good luck getting some company to host it.

they did that with truth social and it's actually pretty nice.
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Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: esc to MRO on Tue Feb 21 2023 07:04 pm

but if it was spreading disinformation about covid you wanted action taken, right?

Facebook stopped the spread of covid disinformation themselves. The government did not compel this.

i thought the govt paid them all the do it. didn't they unearth that.
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Facebook stopped the spread of covid disinformation themselves. The government did not compel this.

i thought the govt paid them all the do it. didn't they unearth that.

Nope

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Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: MRO to Arelor on Tue Feb 21 2023 06:27 pm

I have heard Facebook was rolling a paid account system. I guess they were anticipating that.

they would never do that.

Well, they're testing it right now for $12/month in Australia & New Zealand?

https://about.fb.com/news/2023/02/testing-meta-verified-to-help-creators/

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Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: MRO to Arelor on Tue Feb 21 2023 06:27 pm

I have heard Facebook was rolling a paid account system. I guess they
were anticipating that.

they would never do that.

only if it was for business and i dont think that worked out either.

I heard something in the news a couple days ago that Facebook was considering a paid tier because their ad revenue had been dropping and they want a more reliable source of revenue.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: esc to MRO on Mon Feb 20 2023 11:27 pm

The left 2020: "It is ok for Amazon and Google and Apple to collude
and destroy Parler. It is the market taking care of itself."

The left 2023: "It is not ok for governments to interfere with legic private business such as Facebook and destroy their revenew model".

This is not the left I remember. Leftists destroyed the left.

You leftist you...

Just kidding!

Cougar

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Quoting Mro to Arelor <=-

Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: Arelor to esc on Tue Feb 21 2023 11:39 am

So what's any company that relies on ad revenue to give away services supposed to do? Charge

I have heard Facebook was rolling a paid account system. I guess they were anticipating that.

they would never do that.

only if it was for business and i dont think that worked out either.

Glad this doesn't affect me. I don't have a facebook, twitter, or
any other mentioned accounts. When it starts to affect the
advertising on BBS systems, then there'll be trouble (G).

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Quoting Esc to Arelor <=-

The left 2020: "It is ok for Amazon and Google and Apple to collude and destroy Parler. It is
the market taking care of itself."

Nobody owes a platform to anyone else. Someone wants to make a right
wing cesspool? Good luck getting some company to host it.

Tell us what you really think of conservatives...

The left 2023: "It is not ok for governments to interfere with legic private business such as
Facebook and destroy their revenew model".

Correct. For an opt-in service that they host themselves.

I don't see what's controversial here. Sounds like some hurt feelings going on?

Yours? Or Arelors...


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Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: MRO to Arelor on Tue Feb 21 2023 06:27 pm

I have heard Facebook was rolling a paid account system. I guess they
were anticipating that.

they would never do that.

only if it was for business and i dont think that worked out either.

They are. it's similar to Twitter's system. you get verified, a blue checkmark, and a few extra features along with a potential "boost" to your posts.

I pay for Twitter Blue, but only because it gives me some features I think are worth paying for (I don't give a flying fuck about the blue checkmark, I'd rather not have it, but it won't actually let me turn it off).

That said, it seems like Facebook's paid account system is going to lean heavily into the "verified" realm, with few extra features. It's more geared towards creators who want to build some kind of e-following or whatever.

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Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: MRO to Arelor on Tue Feb 21 2023 06:27 pm

So what's any company that relies on ad revenue to give away services supposed to do? Charge

I have heard Facebook was rolling a paid account system. I guess they wer anticipating that.

they would never do that.

only if it was for business and i dont think that worked out either.

Yes, they weren t going to make it universal. As far as I have heard, it was some business plan, a bit like Twitter s verified accounts.

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Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Tue Feb 21 2023 12:16 pm

Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: Arelor to esc on Tue Feb 21 2023 11:39 am

I have heard Facebook was rolling a paid account system. I guess they we anticipating that.

Interestingly, Twitter turned off SMS MFA on my account, as it's only availa ---
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TOTP is theoretically safer than SMS verification, but for practical purposes, it is more of a headache. I think the average granny is more likely to set SMS auth than TOPT, and is she sets TOTP, she is more likely to lose her acess tokens and suffer.

WHat is better nowadays is not what is "better". It is what is easier, and they play with that.

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Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: esc to Arelor on Tue Feb 21 2023 07:00 pm

People seems to be very happy when some new regulation screws me over, so while I don't agree
(in principle) with these sort of regulations, I am ready to go out the street with a whiskey
bottle and celebrate.

Interesting perspective

I certainly got burned from being in politics. It is all theatre.

Maybe your political party has protecting group A from group B (which is really, really messing up with group A). Group A is attacked one day by group B, you release an statement in support of A, condemn the attack, phone the representatives of group A to show them support...

... and group A tells you to eat shit and die because you are a fascist communist (what usually happens is some other political party has bought them)

What happens the next time they attack A is you watch it in the news while having some Quarter Horse bourbon and thinking assholes who hate you don t deserve your help.

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Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: esc to Arelor on Tue Feb 21 2023 07:02 pm

The left 2020: "It is ok for Amazon and Google and Apple to collude and destroy Parler. It is
the market taking care of itself."

Nobody owes a platform to anyone else. Someone wants to make a right wing ce

Yes, this is the market taking care of itself.

The left 2023: "It is not ok for governments to interfere with legic private business such as
Facebook and destroy their revenew model".

Correct. For an opt-in service that they host themselves.

I don't see what's controversial here. Sounds like some hurt feelings going

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Hurt feelings? For what?

The left used to be anti-corporativist and I kind of miss those times. Right now it looks like they are ready to be pro-corporativists as long as the particular evil corporation in question is cool enough.

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Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: esc to MRO on Tue Feb 21 2023 07:04 pm

but if it was spreading disinformation about covid you wanted action taken, right?

Facebook stopped the spread of covid disinformation themselves. The governme

Just like nobody was willing to host Parler. Free market, baby!

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Well, Facebook being blocked from delivering targetted ads is our Governments protecting us from the abuse of an evil corporation. That used to be a Good Thing for the Das Kapital brigade.

I have already ran into some people who thinks Government should prevent abusive corporative behavior that is not very different from Facebook s here, but somehow Facebook gets a free pass? They cannot have it both ways. If governments should interfere to prevent abusive prices for phone subscriptions (which are opt-in) then you cannot defend Facebook is a legit company being victimized by the evil governments of doom.

I mean, the real school lefties had principles. The Sex Pistols dude got bankrupt tryig to prevent Disney from using his stuff because he didn t want Sex Pistols to belong to (and I quote) Mickey Fucking Mouse.


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Facebook stopped the spread of covid disinformation themselves. The government did not compel this.

i thought the govt paid them all the do it. didn't they unearth that.

The government colluded with Twitter, that is what was unearthed. A
professor who is a "COVID believer" out at Stanford (?) posted a piece
about his concern regarding children being out of school so long. He got shadow-banned as a "COVID disinformer." That came out.

So did Twitter's bias regarding which government source information
regarding misinformation came from. They wanted the FBI to have a place at their table, but they (and the FBI) didn't want to include certain other departments, depending on who was running them and might benefit from
getting credit for unearthing foreign-based disinformation. If they didn't align with them politically, they didn't want them included even if their information (about misinformation) was correct.

I have seen nothing that indicated the government paid them with money, but they did reward them with information.


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Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: esc to MRO on Tue Feb 21 2023 11:39 pm

Facebook stopped the spread of covid disinformation themselves. The government did not compel this.

i thought the govt paid them all the do it. didn't they unearth that.

Nope

the govt paid over a billion dollars for boosting vaccine 'confidence' and social media got a slice of the pie.

so they had a great interest to follow a specific narrative.

And facebook is crooked as fuck. and so are their 'fact checkers' whoever those people are. So was twitter.
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Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: Lmorchard to MRO on Wed Feb 22 2023 03:36 am

Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: MRO to Arelor on Tue Feb 21 2023 06:27 pm

I have heard Facebook was rolling a paid account system. I guess they were anticipating that.

they would never do that.

Well, they're testing it right now for $12/month in Australia & New Zealand?

https://about.fb.com/news/2023/02/testing-meta-verified-to-help-creators/

that's so hillarious and stupid.
you know their stock price dropped whenever there were reports of how many dupe accounts and bots there were. this is totally self serving and evil.
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Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed Feb 22 2023 09:13 am

were anticipating that.

they would never do that.

only if it was for business and i dont think that worked out either.

I heard something in the news a couple days ago that Facebook was considering a paid tier because their ad revenue had been dropping and they

Yeah, i guess they will try anything. the chain letters about facebook charging are now right.
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Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: DaiTengu to MRO on Wed Feb 22 2023 10:20 am

They are. it's similar to Twitter's system. you get verified, a blue checkmark, and a few extra features along with a potential "boost" to your posts.

I pay for Twitter Blue, but only because it gives me some features I think are worth paying for (I don't give a flying fuck about the blue checkmark, I'd rather not have it, but it won't actually let me turn it off).

That said, it seems like Facebook's paid account system is going to lean heavily into the "verified" realm, with few extra features. It's more geared towards creators who want to build some kind of e-following or whatever.

DaiTengu

that's not really why they are doing it , though. fake accounts costs fb money. a lot of money.
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Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: Arelor to MRO on Wed Feb 22 2023 02:07 pm

only if it was for business and i dont think that worked out either.

Yes, they weren t going to make it universal. As far as I have heard, it was some business plan, a bit like Twitter s verified accounts.

they were going to make something like microsoft teams combined with facebook
i dont know which came first teams or this idea. but a fb at work sucks dick. you can not trust fb, they've shown they are evil.
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Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Wed Feb 22 2023 04:56 pm

Facebook stopped the spread of covid disinformation themselves. The government did not compel this.

i thought the govt paid them all the do it. didn't they unearth that.

The government colluded with Twitter, that is what was unearthed. A professor who is a "COVID believer" out at Stanford (?) posted a piece
about his concern regarding children being out of school so long. He got

i'm pretty sure they had a FUND they put together and they used social media to spread that vaccine bullshit. and when you're giving a company millions of dollars in the high range, they sure as fuck are going to protect your intrests.

they probably put together those 'fact checkers' and extra measures when the first check went through.
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Tell us what you really think of conservatives...

I mean, he mentioned Parler, which was a pretty fringe right thing...

I don't see what's controversial here. Sounds like some hurt feelings going on?

Yours? Or Arelors...

I don't have feelings, I'm a sociopath, so we're good ;)

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Maybe your political party has protecting group A from group B (which is really, really messing up with group A). Group A is attacked one day by group B, you release an statement in support of A, condemn the attack, phone the representatives of group A to show them support...

... and group A tells you to eat shit and die because you are a fascist communist (what usually happens is some other political party has bought them)

You're in Spain, I think? Correct me if I'm wrong. But man if those two paragraphs don't sum up the way I feel about politics in the US these days. ugh...

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The left used to be anti-corporativist and I kind of miss those times. Right now it looks like they are ready to be pro-corporativists as long
as the particular evil corporation in question is cool enough.

There are some anti-corporate punks still hanging around on the left! :P

But yeah I'm the only one giving my employer honest feedback, so you're probably right.

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Well, Facebook being blocked from delivering targetted ads is our Governments protecting us from the abuse of an evil corporation. That
used to be a Good Thing for the Das Kapital brigade.

I'm very leery of the government deciding that protecting people like this eventually turns into the government regulating what people can talk about. I'd much rather a company try to make what they believe to be the right moral/ethical/business decision where we can debate it in the court of public opinion, but as soon as a government gets involved, I get a bit dismayed.

I have already ran into some people who thinks Government should prevent abusive corporative behavior that is not very different from Facebook s here, but somehow Facebook gets a free pass? They cannot have it both ways. If governments should interfere to prevent abusive prices for
phone subscriptions (which are opt-in) then you cannot defend Facebook
is a legit company being victimized by the evil governments of doom.

Interesting perspective, but a phone is basically a critical need in this day and age, similar to medicine, food, etc., much of which the government has a say in regulating. I reject the notion that Facebook is a vital utility like having a phone, but agree to disagree I suppose.

I mean, the real school lefties had principles. The Sex Pistols dude got bankrupt tryig to prevent Disney from using his stuff because he didn t want Sex Pistols to belong to (and I quote) Mickey Fucking Mouse.

I mean...he's like, one person, who is pretty fringe on the left. Can't expect everyone with liberal values to go to that extreme.

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the govt paid over a billion dollars for boosting vaccine 'confidence'
and social media got a slice of the pie.

Where did you dig up this chestnut?

so they had a great interest to follow a specific narrative.

Yeah, like, persisting the human race, since ~2 billion people login to Facebook every day. It's called taking some moral responsibility. Plus, it was probably a business decision; key advertisers might abandon your platform if it's used to spread vaccine misinformation.

And facebook is crooked as fuck. and so are their 'fact checkers'
whoever those people are. So was twitter.

What do you think these are, evil little people conspiring or something? That's a rather paranoid worldview. I'm glad I don't share it.

If you disagree with fact checkers, or think they're up to no good, maybe entertain the idea that you don't have your facts straight.

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Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: esc to Arelor on Wed Feb 22 2023 06:56 pm

Well, Facebook being blocked from delivering targetted ads is our Governments protecting us from the abuse of an evil corporation. That used to be a Good Thing for the Das Kapital brigade.

I'm very leery of the government deciding that protecting people like this eventually turns into the government regulating what people can talk about. I'd much rather a company try to make what they believe to be the right moral/ethical/business decision where we can debate it in the court of public opinion, but as soon as a government gets involved, I get a bit dismayed.

people DO need protection from facebook though. or facebook should just be transparent about what it does. yes, they arent forcing you to use it, but it's mainstream and they have been pulling bullshit evil shit for years.
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Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: esc to MRO on Wed Feb 22 2023 07:06 pm

the govt paid over a billion dollars for boosting vaccine 'confidence' and social media got a slice of the pie.

Where did you dig up this chestnut?

i'm pretty sure it's been out there for quite some time.

so they had a great interest to follow a specific narrative.

Yeah, like, persisting the human race, since ~2 billion people login to Facebook every day. It's called taking some moral responsibility. Plus, it was probably a business decision; key advertisers might abandon your

oh come on now. facebook being moral? that's bullshit.
they did all this stuff because they cared?
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people DO need protection from facebook though. or facebook should just be transparent about what it does. yes, they arent forcing you to use
it, but it's mainstream and they have been pulling bullshit evil shit
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Can't say I agree but respect your opinion nonetheless.

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Where did you dig up this chestnut?

i'm pretty sure it's been out there for quite some time.

Care to find some proof? All I found was salacious articles, none of which appear to come from any trusted news source.

oh come on now. facebook being moral? that's bullshit.
they did all this stuff because they cared?

Yes, they did. Who do you think works there? The people Facebook hires are those smart college kids that want to "make the world a better place". Their entire pitch and mission with recruiting is connecting people. There aren't these evil boogeymen people writing lines of code like you seem to think.

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Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: esc to Arelor on Wed Feb 22 2023 06:56 pm

abusive corporative behavior that is not very different from Facebook s here, but somehow Facebook gets a free pass? They cannot have it both ways. If governments should interfere to prevent abusive prices for phone subscriptions (which are opt-in) then you cannot defend Facebook is a legit company being victimized by the evil governments of doom.

Interesting perspective, but a phone is basically a critical need in this da ee to disagree I suppose.

Phone isn't critical for a whole lot of people, and online presence is critical for a number of job positions.

If I were a positive rights proponent, it would be inconsistent for me to defend I am entitled to a phone line because I use it to talk to friends but I am not entitled to online pressence (which I use to make a living).

If I belonged to the Das Kapital brigade my next step would be to equate online presence to phone ussage. Keep in mind Internet access is classified as a human right around here. Since online presence would be a right then the government, aka The People, has the duty to ensure online presence providers act in the best interests of the common folks, and if they don't outright seize them.

Let's be clear about this. Facebooks business model is shady as fuck. It consits of offering free services to people who does not read the contract and knows not what the hell they are signing in for. The tech people here knows but most people has no fucking clue. When it happens with a finantial institution selling finantial products to grandpas who don't know better, people screams bloody murder, but why would Facebook get a pass? Hell, it is so broken that even free market capitalists would think twice before declaring Facebook to be clean wheat.

So yeah, Facebook has the right to operate their current business model, no matter I dislike it -that is what freedom lovers do: recognize other people's right to do things we dislike- but it is so borderline evil that rightwingers should be wery and left-wingers should put it in their hatelist right now.


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Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: esc to Arelor on Wed Feb 22 2023 06:56 pm

want Sex Pistols to belong to (and I quote) Mickey Fucking Mouse.

I mean...he's like, one person, who is pretty fringe on the left. Can't expe

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Maybe, but if you adopt an anti-corporation lifestyle and then jump to defend corporate interests you are not very consistent.

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Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: esc to MRO on Wed Feb 22 2023 07:06 pm

If you disagree with fact checkers, or think they're up to no good, maybe en

I don't know about US so-called fact-checkers, but Spanish ones I know of has some shady ties with government and corporate power. I would not think they
are more trustworthy than your regular government or corporate sponsored newsoutlet - because if you pull the string, they happen to be the same people, or the manager is the wife of some politician or newsmaster.

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Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: esc to MRO on Thu Feb 23 2023 12:25 am

Yes, they did. Who do you think works there? The people Facebook hires are t
writing lines of code like you seem to think.

export BERNY_SANDERS_MODE="True"

Facebooks biggest succeess, it seems, is to exist as a conventional corporation while making everybody believe they are something else.

Facebook is a company traded in public exchanges with an absurd price-to-book ratio. What that means is they tricked a whole lot of people into buying shares of their company for a price way higher than the company is worth. Facebook is a heavily overcapitalized company owned by capitalist powers who will be forced to squeeze it dry in order to see returns for their overinvestments.

I don't care how good the employees are. The power Capital has is they can take good people and abuse them and enslave them and make them work torwards the Capital's goals instead of the worker's. Facebook is no difference at a fundamental level. It is owned by the Capital and workers' output is taken and used as the Capital sees fit.

Facebook may protray itself as a worker and humanist friendly organization, but when they market themselves as a Good Entity they are just acting as somebody who takes a turd and wraps it in colorful papers, trying it with a nice gift ribbon. They are trying to make something awful look great by selling it as a great thing, but at a fundamental level they are just a turd.

The saddest part is when the workers themselves get to see the colorful gift-wrap and the ribbon and rush to attack anybody who denounces it is just a well marketed turd. Indeed, Facebook's Capitalist masters have managed to get the enslaved class to defend their Capitalist interests. It is the slave defending Blackrock and Vanguard as they squeeze them dry. It is disgusting.


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Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

TOTP is theoretically safer than SMS verification, but for practical purposes, it is more of a headache. I think the average granny is more likely to set SMS auth than TOPT, and is she sets TOTP, she is more
likely to lose her acess tokens and suffer.

Granny is NEVER going to set up TOTP. I think that's what Elon is
banking on.




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Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: esc to MRO on Thu Feb 23 2023 12:25 am

Yes, they did. Who do you think works there? The people Facebook hires are those smart college kids that want to "make the world a better place". Their entire pitch and mission with recruiting is connecting people. There aren't these evil boogeymen people writing lines of code like you seem to think.

FWIW, I know folks who work at Facebook. That is the pitch, yes, and why most of them joined up. But most of them aren't in charge. A lot of them are *trying* to do good work there. But, the money comes from connecting people so that they stick around to generate classifying data & provide attention worth renting out to advertisers.

Not "evil boogeymen people" so much as folks paid very well to implement the company's objectives while trying to good where they can. A lot of folks I know who've stayed there think that it's a good trade to provide a communication service for "free" rather than having it only be available to folks who can afford to pay. I see their point, but don't personally think the surveilance ends up being a good trade.

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Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: esc to MRO on Thu Feb 23 2023 12:23 am

people DO need protection from facebook though. or facebook should just be transparent about what it does. yes, they arent forcing you to use
it, but it's mainstream and they have been pulling bullshit evil shit for years. ---

Can't say I agree but respect your opinion nonetheless.

look up facebook and what they've done for years. look at their lawsuits.

they've used user information for illegal purposes and have been convicted as such. they still spy on their users with the mobile app. have a conversation and then you see the ads for the shit you talked about popping up on facebook.

they've also manipulated information on covid, the covid vaccine and they've tried to manipulate the presidential election. those are all facts.
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Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: esc to MRO on Thu Feb 23 2023 12:25 am

i'm pretty sure it's been out there for quite some time.

Care to find some proof? All I found was salacious articles, none of which appear to come from any trusted news source.

https://www.covidmoneytracker.org/

they had programs for education on covid and they partnered with twitter and facebook.
you won't find something out right as 'here's 50million dollars to ban people that say this', and they didn't need to. once they got the money they knew what to do.

Yes, they did. Who do you think works there? The people Facebook hires are those smart college kids that want to "make the world a better place". Their entire pitch and mission with recruiting is connecting people. There aren't these evil boogeymen people writing lines of code like you seem to think.

you're just believing the hype.
look up how many times facebook/meta has been sued from multiple countries and what for.

facebook is ran by an amoral person who want's to take over everything.
their workers are mostly white, mostly male. recently their technical employees have had a huge steer towards asian males, when before it was mostly white like everything else.

60% of fb employees are outside of the usa.

i guess the avg age is 28. are these people hipsters who want to change the world and make it a better place? i dout it.

if they were really cool college kids who play foosball in their breakroom and want the world to be better, don't you think they'd hire some more fucking women atleast?
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Hello Arelor!

** On Thursday 23.02.23 - 07:30, Arelor wrote to esc:

I don't care how good the employees are. The power Capital has is they can take good people and abuse them and enslave them and make them work torwards the Capital's goals instead of the worker's. Facebook is no difference at a fundamental level. It is owned by the Capital and workers' output is taken and used as the Capital sees fit.

Sounds like what China is doing to its workers.


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they've also manipulated information on covid, the covid vaccine and they've tried to manipulate the presidential election. those are all facts. ---

False. Anyway I'm done arguing, it's not going to do any good, not like I'll convince you of anything even if I'm the most persuasive person alive.

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Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: Ogg to Arelor on Thu Feb 23 2023 07:21 pm

Hello Arelor!

** On Thursday 23.02.23 - 07:30, Arelor wrote to esc:

I don't care how good the employees are. The power Capital has is they c take good people and abuse them and enslave them and make them work torwards the Capital's goals instead of the worker's. Facebook is no difference at a fundamental level. It is owned by the Capital and worker output is taken and used as the Capital sees fit.

Sounds like what China is doing to its workers.

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That must be because China is Capitalist. If it was Communist instead, people in China would be free and they would all smoke weed and live happy ever after in a world full of free stuff.

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Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: esc to MRO on Thu Feb 23 2023 09:30 pm

they've also manipulated information on covid, the covid vaccine and they've tried to manipulate the presidential election. those are all facts. ---

False. Anyway I'm done arguing, it's not going to do any good, not like I'll convince you of anything even if I'm the most persuasive person alive.

i'm not arguing.

but i'm not also going to waste a lot of time here dumping links. people often attack the links if they arent cnn or whatever.

I'm not a liar and i've demonstrated that i have an excellent memory with things i read.

I have no horse in this race, so why would i lie.

It's a fact that facebook has been taken to trial in the past and they have lost several times. It's because of how they treat and misuse their user's information.

they obviously have been manipulating their userbase in every aspect. they want them to follow a certain mindset and they want them to follow facebook's agenda which in the end are about generating profit.

facebook is an evil company. twitter was an evil company.
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i'm not arguing.
<proceeds to type out a bunch of arguments>

:P

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Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: esc to MRO on Fri Feb 24 2023 06:21 pm

i'm not arguing.
<proceeds to type out a bunch of arguments>

:P

you're just seeing it as an argument.

answer me this: since facebook is full of young people who
want to make the world such a great place, why don't they hire women?

why is it mostly white males?
those are facts.
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Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: esc to MRO on Thu Feb 23 2023 12:25 am

they did all this stuff because they cared?

Yes, they did. Who do you think works there? The people Facebook hires are those smart college kids that want to "make the world a better place". Their entire pitch and mission with recruiting is connecting people. There aren't these evil boogeymen people writing lines of code like you seem to think.

Yes smart indoctrinated college kids i'm sure.... I'm not going to say they are all like this but for some of the stuff Facebook , Twitter , Youtube and other Social Media Platforms have been doing....
all indoctrinated but i'm sure a lot of them are.

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Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: MRO to esc on Fri Feb 24 2023 10:35 pm

answer me this: since facebook is full of young people who
want to make the world such a great place, why don't they hire women?

why is it mostly white males?
those are facts.

I'm not too familiar with Facebook's hiring policies, but I've been working as a software developer since 2003, and the whole industry is fairly male-dominated (at least, in the US). I doubt Facebook just doesn't hire women; it just seems that there are few women in the US who decide to go into tech jobs. I did work for one very large (multi-national) tech company and they did have women developers and engineers working there - but many of them were from other countries (mainly India or China).

Nightfox

you're just seeing it as an argument.

And you continue arguing ;) I'm not going to argue. This is silly.

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Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: Brokenmind to esc on Fri Feb 24 2023 10:13 pm

Yes smart indoctrinated college kids i'm sure.... I'm not going to say they are all like this but for some of the stuff Facebook , Twitter , Youtube and other Social Media Platforms have been doing....
all indoctrinated but i'm sure a lot of them are.

well are 28 year olds 'college kids'? I wasn't a kid when i was 28.
granted, some 28 yr olds nowadays still live with the parents which is pathetic.

i dont think the bottom workers of these social media companies drive what it does and how it does it. it's those few at the top.
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Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: Nightfox to MRO on Fri Feb 24 2023 10:20 pm

I'm not too familiar with Facebook's hiring policies, but I've been working as a software developer since 2003, and the whole industry is fairly male-dominated (at least, in the US). I doubt Facebook just doesn't hire women; it just seems that there are few women in the US who decide to go into tech jobs. I did work for one very large (multi-national) tech company and they did have women developers and engineers working there - but many of them were from other countries (mainly India or China).

Not everyone at facebook or any social media company HAS to be a white developer.

fb's demographics have been embarassing since the beginning.

the proof is in the pudding. and they have been using the same receipe for a very long time. women can do these jobs, it's sexist to think they cant. it's sexist to ignore the demographics that fb has adhered to.

But that's just one of my examples. fb is an evil company that wants everyone and everything's information. information is power. they also then want to take over the internet and then much more.
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Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: esc to MRO on Fri Feb 24 2023 11:07 pm

you're just seeing it as an argument.

And you continue arguing ;) I'm not going to argue. This is silly.

i'm not trying to argue either.
i'm just pointing out facts.

You're a good person and you're looking at these things using your good person compass. actions speak louder than words. since the beginning facebook and other social media has been evil. they don't mean well. they don't want to protect people. they want to take over. you take over by influencing how people think and what they see.

fucking myspace tom and his cronies just wanted to show us fucking ads. i miss those days.

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MRO wrote to Nightfox <=-

I'm not too familiar with Facebook's hiring policies, but I've been working as a software developer since 2003, and the whole industry is fairly male-dominated (at least, in the US). I doubt Facebook just doesn't hire women; it just seems that there are few women in the US who decide to go into tech jobs. I did work for one very large (multi-national) tech company and they did have women developers and engineers working there - but many of them were from other countries (mainly India or China).

Not everyone at facebook or any social media company HAS to be a
white developer.

fb's demographics have been embarassing since the beginning.

the proof is in the pudding. and they have been using the same
receipe for a very long time. women can do these jobs, it's
sexist to think they cant. it's sexist to ignore the
demographics that fb has adhered to.

Maybe you'd have better luck convincing anyone of anything, if you
actually backed up your claims. What is the source of your "facts" that
you keep braying about? Where do you see these demographics? Show some
facts that indicate FB doesn't hire women or non-whites.

Until then, you're just blowing smoke, and it's not working.



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MRO wrote to esc <=-

you're just seeing it as an argument.

And you continue arguing ;) I'm not going to argue. This is silly.

i'm not trying to argue either.
i'm just pointing out facts.

Actually, you haven't pointed out a SINGLE "fact". You keep making
claims, spewing your *opinion*, harping on your conspiracy theories,
but..... Let's see some links or some other evidence of your "facts".

References/citations talk; bullshit walks.



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Hello esc!

** On Monday 20.02.23 - 14:57, esc wrote to Ogg:

This Privacy Ruling Against Facebook and Instagram Could
Spell the End of Targeted Ads

Man, this is actually something I'm not a huge fan of.
Sure, targeted ads and feeling as though you're being spied
on is lame. Totally. I get it. But facebook is an opt-in
platform. It's not a public utility like a library, it's a
business. I don't see how any government can force a
business to give away access to a commercial platform for
free.

One of the problems is that they use your activity data even
when you are not using FB. I've logged into FB for a few
minutes, check for some messages and then leave. But when I'd
visit another website, "targetted ads" based on what I was
reading on FB appear as ads on that other website! So,
clearly, FB is distributing my user activity/content info to
other parties.

The same ads would follow me when I visit other news sites, for
example.

So what's any company that relies on ad revenue to give
away services supposed to do? Charge for accounts? I guess?

I can live without FB, so I don't care what they do. I just
drop by to see if there are any new postings from friends. I
don't contribute content myself.

Maybe they could provide the option to turn OFF the
presentation of ads if I don't want to see them, meanwhile,
they could still collect and analyse my activity on FB.

But I don't like the way the ads keep following me from site to
site.

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Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: Ogg to esc on Thu Mar 02 2023 10:55 pm

drop by to see if there are any new postings from friends. I
don't contribute content myself.

Maybe they could provide the option to turn OFF the
presentation of ads if I don't want to see them, meanwhile,
they could still collect and analyse my activity on FB.

But I don't like the way the ads keep following me from site to
site.

dude i was at work at a meeting for a long time and i was complaining about my legs and knees hurting. fucking amazon was showing me some full leg heat and massager thing when i opened it

https://i.imgur.com/GE8tuNs.png

the air is clear and the walls have ears!
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Ogg wrote to esc <=-

One of the problems is that they use your activity data even
when you are not using FB. I've logged into FB for a few
minutes, check for some messages and then leave. But when I'd
visit another website, "targetted ads" based on what I was
reading on FB appear as ads on that other website! So,
clearly, FB is distributing my user activity/content info to
other parties.

I've seen people talking about a containerized browser for Facebook,
don't know if incognito mode would work. The mere fact that people need
to create a workaround to your company's privacy overreaches is a
serious issue that reflects the fact that you are their product, not
their customer.




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Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Ogg on Fri Mar 03 2023 06:19 am

I've seen people talking about a containerized browser for Facebook,
don't know if incognito mode would work. The mere fact that people need
to create a workaround to your company's privacy overreaches is a
serious issue that reflects the fact that you are their product, not
their customer.

There is the "Facebook Container" add-on for Firefox:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/facebook-container/

That does a good job of trying to isolate everything Facebook-related, including cookies and the trackers in embedded share buttons on other sites.

They do have kind of an insidious octopus of a service spread all around. Sounds like tinfoil hat territory to accurately describe what they do.

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Lmorchard wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

They do have kind of an insidious octopus of a service spread all
around. Sounds like tinfoil hat territory to accurately describe what
they do.

I especially bristled at them using Facebook for auth -- making it even
harder for people to disconnect from Facebook when other sites rely on
FB to authenticate you.

Spotify, at one point early on, required Facebook auth. They changed
after a while to allow other 3rd party auth like Google as well as email.




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