While I did not do too much on the internet back in the 90s when I was a kid, in the early 2000s, as a teen, I enjoyed looking for cool stuff to download. I t could have been anything from utilities to games. It could have been old Win31 or DOS stuff, or Win 9X or compatible stuff. I used to frequent a site to find all kinds of stuff for my DOS boxes. Around High School I started getting into foruming. So the thread is about what everyones favorite use on the internet back in the day/or even today.

- Mr. Cool

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Hi Mr. Cool!

While I did not do too much on the internet back in the 90s when I was
a kid, in the early 2000s, as a teen, I enjoyed looking for cool stuff
to download. I t could have been anything from utilities to games. It could have been old Win31 or DOS stuff, or Win 9X or compatible stuff.
I used to frequent a site to find all kinds of stuff for my DOS boxes. Around High School I started getting into foruming. So the thread is about what everyones favorite use on the internet back in the day/or
even today.

It was calling into BBS's via dialup modems to chat with multinode lines, play online door games, be your own SysOp :)

Cheers,

Bryan
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Re: Favorite thing to do back in the day
By: Mr. Cool to All on Sun Dec 20 2015 02:50 pm

While I did not do too much on the internet back in the 90s when I was a kid in the early 2000s, as a teen, I enjoyed looking for cool stuff to download. t could have been anything from utilities to games. It could have been old Win31 or DOS stuff, or Win 9X or compatible stuff. I used to frequent a sit to find all kinds of stuff for my DOS boxes. Around High School I started getting into foruming. So the thread is about what everyones favorite use o the internet back in the day/or even today.

- Mr. Cool

I first got onto the Internet back in 1996 when I started working in IT. Back then, there was not that much to do. But I have been on here sincfe the mid 90's and have seen it bloom into the tangled mess of porn and illegal downloads that is it today. And Iam SO GREATFUL for that :)

Jeff in Australia.

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Re: Favorite thing to do back in the day
By: Jeff Friend to Mr. Cool on Fri Dec 25 2015 09:32 pm

I first got onto the Internet back in 1996 when I started working in IT. Back then, there was not that much to do. But I have been on here sincfe the mid 90's and have seen it bloom into the tangled mess of porn and illegal downloads that is it today. And Iam SO GREATFUL for that :)

Yeah, pr0n in 1996 was pretty marginal -- monochrome 3 second animations weren't anything to write home about.

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Re: Favorite thing to do back in the day
By: Poindexter Fortran to Jeff Friend on Sat Dec 26 2015 07:52:41

Yeah, pr0n in 1996 was pretty marginal -- monochrome 3 second animations weren't anything to write home about.

Well, I had one incident with one of those 3 second animations that was something to write home about. There was an *ahem* security consideration that hadn't been taken into account at the Jr. High/middleschool that I went to, and it left a bunch of PCJrs open to running external code. Those little 3 second animations (I can't help but wonder if I'm thinking of the same one here) came up real quick on those PCJrs when the admin was out getting coffee in the mornings instead of tending his classroom. But what a classroom to behold upon his return. :D

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Re: Favorite thing to do back in the day
By: Poindexter Fortran to Jeff Friend on Sat Dec 26 2015 07:52 am

Yeah, pr0n in 1996 was pretty marginal -- monochrome 3 second animations weren't anything to write home about.

eh, it wasnt THAT bad. i think you are thinking about 5 years before that.
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Re: Favorite thing to do back in the day
By: Poindexter Fortran to Jeff Friend on Sat Dec 26 2015 07:52 am

Yeah, pr0n in 1996 was pretty marginal -- monochrome 3 second animations weren't anything to write home about.

Hehehe.. So true.

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Around High School I started getting into foruming. So the thread is about what everyones favorite use on the internet back in the day/or
even today.

I first got internet access at home in '93 (when I was 20). I continued doing what I'd been doing for a couple of years on my University account: hang out on the Usenet and IRC, and searched for cracked Amiga games. When the first Gopher clients were available for the Amiga, I was all over that.



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Re: Favorite thing to do back in the day
By: Mr. Cool to All on Sun Dec 20 2015 02:50 pm

Hi, Mr. Cool!

While I did not do too much on the internet back in the 90s when I was a kid, in the early 2000s, as a teen, I enjoyed looking for cool stuff to download. I t could have been anything from utilities to games. It could have been old Win31 or DOS stuff, or Win 9X or compatible stuff. I used to frequent a site to find all kinds of stuff for my DOS boxes. Around High School I started getting into foruming. So the thread is about what everyones favorite use on the internet back in the day/or even today.

After leaving the walled garden of AOL in 1996 for the wider world of the web, my favorite thing to do was to learn how to build web pages. Shortly after that, it was Napster.

Today, my favorite thing to do is make my 1996 IBM running
DOS get on the Internet and do things like stream online radio sations, and multiplayer IPX games with a friend over a TAP OpenVPN tunnel.

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Today, my favorite thing to do is make my 1996 IBM running
DOS get on the Internet and do things like stream online radio sations

That's called "Retrocomputing"! I do enjoy it too from time to time. I still have my first computer, a Tandy 1000SX (8088 with a 20 Meg MFM Hard Drive and a Green Phosphor monitor). Just the sound of the MFM drive is sort of music to my ears!

I can run MS-DOS and GEM (DOS based GUI). I don't think there's a way to go on the Internet with that machine, but if there's a way, it would be cool!

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Hello Papadopoulos,

On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 20:32:52 -0500, Papadopoulos -> mr_chris wrote:

I can run MS-DOS and GEM (DOS based GUI). I don't think there's a way
to go on the Internet with that machine, but if there's a way, it would
be cool!

I'm sure others can chime in here to confirm, but as I'm uncertain if MS-DOS has drivers available for internet access, I do believe there are other DOS equivalents (PC-DOS or FreeDOS?) that do.

Regards,
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Re: Favorite thing to do back in the day
By: Nicholas Boel to Papadopoulos on Mon Dec 19 2016 07:59 am

I'm sure others can chime in here to confirm, but as I'm uncertain if MS-DOS has drivers available for internet access, I do believe there are other DOS

If anyone knows of a way to do this,lemme know! Sounds intriguing :-)

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Re: Favorite thing to do back in the day
By: Nicholas Boel to Papadopoulos on Mon Dec 19 2016 07:59 am

I'm sure others can chime in here to confirm, but as I'm uncertain if MS-DOS has drivers available for internet access, I do believe there are other DOS equivalents (PC-DOS or FreeDOS?) that do.

I was certain that there was a possiblity to have an Internet connection in MS-DOS and it just wasn't easy. I remember having a 486 machine with MS-DOS 6.22 along with a Windows XP machine a few years ago, and I thought for sure that I was able to get the Arachne browser working in the MS-DOS machine.

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Re: Favorite thing to do back in the day
By: jagossel to Nicholas Boel on Mon Dec 19 2016 03:14 pm

I was certain that there was a possiblity to have an Internet connection in MS-DOS and it just wasn't easy. I remember having a 486 machine with MS-DOS 6.22 along with a Windows XP machine a few years ago, and I thought for sure that I was able to get the Arachne browser working in the MS-DOS machine.

This looks intriguing!
https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?t=63059

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I'm sure others can chime in here to confirm, but as I'm uncertain if MS-DOS has drivers available for internet access, I do believe there
are other DOS equivalents (PC-DOS or FreeDOS?) that do.

There used to be ways to access the internet via dial-up, for certain. I
think that some of those ways would also work over a LAN connection, provided that you had one. They came with their own drivers, when needed. Arachne
was a freeware (maybe open source) GUI www browser for DOS. There were a few others also.

Arachne worked on a 386 and up, but would not have worked on an 8088-XT. I used it for years before finally installing debian linux on a second-hand Pentium I had got my hands on.

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By: Ralph Smole to Nicholas Boel on Mon Dec 19 2016 14:55:24

I'm sure others can chime in here to confirm, but as I'm uncertain if MS-DOS has drivers available for internet access, I do believe there are other DOS

If anyone knows of a way to do this,lemme know! Sounds intriguing :-)

You need a packet driver for the network card and then one of the TCP stacks such
as WatTCP or MTCP. There is a site with tons of packet drivers available for ISA
and PCI cards, though I don't recall it off the top of my head. The setup should
work in both MS-DOS and FreeDOS.

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Re: Favorite thing to do back in the day
By: jagossel to Nicholas Boel on Mon Dec 19 2016 03:14 pm

I was certain that there was a possiblity to have an Internet connection in MS-DOS and it just wasn't easy. I remember having a 486 machine with MS-DOS

I can confirm, I have a running 8088 with MSDOS 6.22, an Etherlink II (3c503) card, connected with TCP/IP using a packet driver and running ftp, telnet, gopher, http, and irc. If it had more power I could do ssh, but I can't seem to get ssh2dos working on it. You can certainly network DOS to the modern internet, no problem. It's not *easy* but it is not anywhere near impossible.

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Re: Favorite thing to do back in the day
By: Nicholas Boel to Papadopoulos on Mon Dec 19 2016 07:59 am

I'm sure others can chime in here to confirm, but as I'm uncertain if MS-DOS has drivers available for internet access, I do believe there are other DOS equivalents (PC-DOS or FreeDOS?) that do.

The Crynwyr drivers work on any DOS that I know of; there are integrated apps that do mail and text web browsing, NCSA Telnet, and others.

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Re: Favorite thing to do back in the day
By: Ralph Smole to Nicholas Boel on Mon Dec 19 2016 02:55 pm

I'm sure others can chime in here to confirm, but as I'm uncertain if
MS-DOS has drivers available for internet access, I do believe there
are other DOS

If anyone knows of a way to do this,lemme know! Sounds intriguing :-)

What do mean by drivers in MS-DOS?

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Re: Favorite thing to do back in the day
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Re: Favorite thing to do back in the day
By: Ralph Smole to Nicholas Boel on Mon Dec 19 2016 02:55 pm

I'm sure others can chime in here to confirm, but as I'm uncertain if
MS-DOS has drivers available for internet access, I do believe there
are other DOS

If anyone knows of a way to do this,lemme know! Sounds intriguing :-)

What do mean by drivers in MS-DOS?

MS-DOS drivers were .sys files, e.g. ansi.sys, smartdrv.sys, etc. and loaded via your config.sys file.

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Re: Favorite thing to do back in the day
By: Digital Man to Knightmare on Sun Dec 25 2016 01:00 pm

MS-DOS drivers were .sys files, e.g. ansi.sys, smartdrv.sys, etc. and loaded via your config.sys file.

For networking, a "packet driver" was generally loaded via a .COM file, either at boot time, or at any other time when you needed TCP/IP. Programs would then have to access that packet driver through an interrupt, usually configurable on the command line. The packet driver was generally provided by the ethernet card manuf... dialup wouldn't need such a driver.

mTCP that you use in FreeDOS actually works with MSDOS as well, even on an 8088 if you have the right version. For some reason though, telnet outside my network can be very slow directly through my 8088 with mTCP, though it's fast if I telnet to an internal machine for example.

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By: Digital Man to Knightmare on Sun Dec 25 2016 01:00 pm

What do mean by drivers in MS-DOS?

MS-DOS drivers were .sys files, e.g. ansi.sys, smartdrv.sys, etc. and loaded via your config.sys file.

Ok - that's what I thought he meant. Was gonna ask, "Like ANSI.SYS?", but i was short on coffee and not running on all cylinders.

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Re: Favorite thing to do back in the day
By: tfurrows to jagossel on Tue Dec 20 2016 11:01 am

I can confirm, I have a running 8088 with MSDOS 6.22, an Etherlink II (3c503) card, connected with TCP/IP using a packet driver and running ftp, telnet, gopher, http, and irc. If it had more power I could do ssh, but I can't seem to get ssh2dos working on it. You can certainly network DOS to the modern internet, no problem. It's not *easy* but it is not anywhere near impossible.

I've wanted to do text-mode for a month, see what it would be like to go back to a non-web experience. If I could find a Facebook to NNTP/IRC gateway, I'd be set. :)

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By: Poindexter Fortran to tfurrows on Thu Dec 29 2016 06:46 am

to a non-web experience. If I could find a Facebook to NNTP/IRC gateway, I'd set. :)

For facebook on the 8088, I have to telnet to a more powerful machine (SSL is required) and use 'elinks'. It works, and facebook through a text browser really isn't bad at all. 'lynx' didn't work for me, but 'elinks' worked perfectly (though, there may have been some odd behavior with the login, I can't recall if it was FB or gmail, both did work though.)

I actually absolutely love using the modern internet through a text-based browser.

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By: Poindexter Fortran to tfurrows on Thu Dec 29 2016 06:46 am

I've wanted to do text-mode for a month, see what it would be like to go back to a non-web experience. If I could find a Facebook to NNTP/IRC gateway, I'd be set. :)

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Re: Favorite thing to do back in the day
By: tfurrows to Poindexter Fortran on Thu Dec 29 2016 12:42 pm

Re: Favorite thing to do back in the day
By: Poindexter Fortran to tfurrows on Thu Dec 29 2016 06:46 am

to a non-web experience. If I could find a Facebook to NNTP/IRC gateway, I'd set. :)

For facebook on the 8088, I have to telnet to a more powerful machine (SSL is required) and use 'elinks'. It works, and facebook through a text browser really isn't bad at all. 'lynx' didn't work for me, but 'elinks' worked perfectly (though, there may have been some odd behavior with the login, I can't recall if it was FB or gmail, both did work though.)

I actually absolutely love using the modern internet through a text-based browser.

yeah elinks was cool to try out. not going to stick with using it for fb, though.
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Re: Favorite thing to do back in the day
By: tfurrows to Poindexter Fortran on Thu Dec 29 2016 12:42 pm

For facebook on the 8088, I have to telnet to a more powerful machine (SSL i

s

required) and use 'elinks'. It works, and facebook through a text browser really isn't bad at all. 'lynx' didn't work for me, but 'elinks' worked perfectly (though, there may have been some odd behavior with the login, I can't recall if it was FB or gmail, both did work though.)

Reminds me of a YouTube video that I saw where this guy gotten a really old 300 baud modem that actually required dailing phone number yourself and putting the phone handset into the modem. He telneted into a Linux server and got onto Wikipedia using Lynx.

If interested, just search for "1964 Antique MODEM Live Demo" by phreakmonkey. I find it interesting that these existed and were fully functioning.

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Re: Favorite thing to do back in the day
By: jagossel to tfurrows on Thu Dec 29 2016 04:25 pm

If interested, just search for "1964 Antique MODEM Live Demo" by phreakmonke

Very cool little video! I skipped a lot of the talking, it was fun to see the hardware in action. I actually owned a handset modulator/demodulator in the 90s, which I was going to use for bbsing from phone booths (never got around to it). Wish I hadn't sold it :) Not nearly as cool as this 1964 wooden box though.

Makes me wish I didn't have a VoIP phone, I'd love to do some actually dialup stuff, but without an actual POTS landline, I'm not sure how easy it would be.

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Re: Favorite thing to do back in the day
By: jagossel to tfurrows on Thu Dec 29 2016 04:25 pm

Reminds me of a YouTube video that I saw where this guy gotten a really old baud modem that actually required dailing phone number yourself and putting phone handset into the modem. He telneted into a Linux server and got onto Wikipedia using Lynx.

If interested, just search for "1964 Antique MODEM Live Demo" by phreakmonke I find it interesting that these existed and were fully functioning.

Ah yes! The good old acoustic coupler :-)

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Re: Favorite thing to do back in the day
By: tfurrows to jagossel on Thu Dec 29 2016 05:21 pm

Makes me wish I didn't have a VoIP phone, I'd love to do some actually dialu stuff, but without an actual POTS landline, I'm not sure how easy it would b

Ditto. I had thought about trying to dial into KK4QBN's BBS to see if it would work with the fiber optic line here at home; I suspect that it will not. Sadly, I wish I had the modem and a computer that can take the modem to try it out and see.

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Re: Favorite thing to do back in the day
By: Ralph Smole to jagossel on Thu Dec 29 2016 07:21 pm

Re: Favorite thing to do back in the day
By: jagossel to tfurrows on Thu Dec 29 2016 04:25 pm

Reminds me of a YouTube video that I saw where this guy gotten a really o

ld

baud modem that actually required dailing phone number yourself and putti

ng

phone handset into the modem. He telneted into a Linux server and got ont

o

Wikipedia using Lynx.

If interested, just search for "1964 Antique MODEM Live Demo" by phreakmo

nke

I find it interesting that these existed and were fully functioning.

Ah yes! The good old acoustic coupler :-)

I once tried transmitting data over sound waves with a modem. It worked (had to be loud as hell and also I had to be quiet. Lol)

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Re: Favorite thing to do back in the day
By: tfurrows to jagossel on Thu Dec 29 2016 05:21 pm

sounds good, i will have to check that out

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