What are your thoughts about better control by governments over a new improved version of the WWW? Do you believe each person who has any access to the WWW must have an approved user I.D.? Do you agree all users must be approved by a governing authority like the U.N. before you can run a web site or register a domain? How about those taxes the progressives want to levy on you for each e- mail, purchase and just for being alive?
A life devoid of integrity and fairness is no life at all!
MGH AKA Jeff Clayton

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What are your thoughts about better control by governments over a new improved version of the WWW? Do you believe each person who has any access to the WWW must have an approved user I.D.? Do you agree all users must be approved by a governing authority like the U.N. before you can run a web site or register a domain? How about those taxes the progressives want to levy on you for each e- mail, purchase and just for being alive?
A life devoid of integrity and fairness is no life at all!
MGH AKA Jeff Clayton

Yeah, no. If this would ever happen, you can expect there to be many underground darknets created and running separate from the net 2.0. There are too many Fascist governments who want control, and it's pretty scary what they would do with that power.

Heh, I already get taxed on my Internet services. Good luck tracking every single email sent. Again, all it takes is someone to run email servers on alternate ports and begin their own email system.

On the other hand, of it ever does happen, I would think that it would create
a need for independent BBSes again. Running ftp and an obscure dns network would probably just about get messages there almost as fast as regular email.

Just my thoughts...

-=Fireball=-

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Re: Re: Internet 2.0
By: Fireball to Jeff.Clayton on Sat Mar 02 2013 12:19 pm

What are your thoughts about better control by governments over a new improved version of the WWW? Do you believe each person who has any acces to the WWW must have an approved user I.D.? Do you agree all users must approved by a governing authority like the U.N. before you can run a web site or register a domain? How about those taxes the progressives want to levy on you for each e- mail, purchase and just for being alive?
A life devoid of integrity and fairness is no life at all!
MGH AKA Jeff Clayton

Yeah, no. If this would ever happen, you can expect there to be many underground darknets created and running separate from the net 2.0. There ar too many Fascist governments who want control, and it's pretty scary what th would do with that power.

Heh, I already get taxed on my Internet services. Good luck tracking every single email sent. Again, all it takes is someone to run email servers on alternate ports and begin their own email system.

On the other hand, of it ever does happen, I would think that it would creat a need for independent BBSes again. Running ftp and an obscure dns network would probably just about get messages there almost as fast as regular email

Just my thoughts...

-=Fireball=-

If that cinerio did come into existance, it would be in china, and you would see a resurge in the dial up BBS area because that is kinda how it was before net 1.0 SysOps really only had to wory about abiding by local laws.
Cincinnati for instance was a conservitive area and located in Hamilton
County. the Hamilton county sherifs department was routinely conducting BBS stings like Dateline does to catch a preditor and pornography. porn was any pictuure nude. the sherif was nationaly famous for shutting down the
Maplethorp photographic art show in the cincinnati art museum because of
child porn and nude photograps of men and wwoment soing fifty shades of gray things like fisting. it was all meant as controvercial art but the sherif wasn't having it.

Respectfully,
Michael
ShadowHeart
The Savage Empire BBS
tsebbs.com

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Re: Internet 2.0
By: Jeff.Clayton to All on Fri Mar 01 2013 23:29:11

What are your thoughts about better control by governments over a new improv version of the WWW? Do you believe each person who has any access to the WWW must have an approved user I.D.? Do you agree all users must be approved by governing authority like the U.N. before you can run a web site or register domain? How about those taxes the progressives want to levy on you for each mail, purchase and just for being alive?

Hiya, Jeff. Long time no type.
My thoughts on better control over the WWW (I'm also assuming that you mean the internet in general, not just the web) is that it's completely necessary for the ruling elite at this stage in the game, and will be implemented sometime soon in order to crack down on the spread of information through independent journalists and citizen bloggers who are currently blowing
all of the government's attempts to censor the media and
propagandize all of the 'news' that the American public sees,
hears, and talks about. If you don't think that there is any sort of propagandization going on, please check out this following link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=me9P1eA9Fpo which is footage of a hearing in 1975 at which the CIA actually admits to planting stories in major mainstream media.
Free speech is being cracked down on in a terrifying way. Just look at the DHS's (as well as other agencies') guides on who 'potential terrorists' are these days. I don't think it'll take long at all after these guys try to take the guns for the other amendments to be completely eroded (including the right to free speech).
Wow this post is taking longer than I thought it would, and I need to be getting ready for work in just a few minutes here. Anyway, to answer the rest of the questions in your post, access to the web being approved and tracked with a user ID? Completely unnecessary, much like gun registration, and it will only be implemented as an intermediate stage to controlling the content that people post and censoring certain individuals in general. The UN thing? Hell no it's not necessary; it's blatant infringement on our constitutional rights. Of course Obama himself has bitched about the Constitution 'being
just a piece of paper', so obviously he doesn't give a crap in the woods
about our rights.
The taxes? They're a big frigging joke, but the entities that enforce them are big enough to make fighting them impossible for any average citizen. The Constitution mandates that the country coin its own money, and not for interest. Thank you, Woodrow Wilson, for signing the Federal Reserve Act and destroying what was left of our independence in the name of corporate and oligarichal control. Our taxes aren't needed at all, it's just another part of the big scam, one tenet of which is that the people are easier to repress when they're spending 2/3 or more of their waking hours devoted to just having enough money to survive and have a roof over their heads for the remaining hours or for when they sleep. It also justifies the IRS, which is soaking the American public for any extra cash that they have in order to funnel it into the Federal Reserve's coffers (and into the pockets of the unnamed individuals and institutions who are responsible for the trillions that have already simply 'disappeared' according to Bernanke).
Peace, love, and chicken grease.


-The opinions expressed are not necessarily an advocation of any of the aforementioned ideologies, concepts, or actions. We still have the freedom of speech, for now, and I enjoy using it in a satirical or ficticious manner to amuse myself.-

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Re: Re: Internet 2.0
By: Fireball to Jeff.Clayton on Sat Mar 02 2013 12:19:46

Yeah, no. If this would ever happen, you can expect there to be many underground darknets created and running separate from the net 2.0. There ar too many Fascist governments who want control, and it's pretty scary what th would do with that power.

Heh, I already get taxed on my Internet services. Good luck tracking every single email sent. Again, all it takes is someone to run email servers on alternate ports and begin their own email system.

On the other hand, of it ever does happen, I would think that it would creat a need for independent BBSes again. Running ftp and an obscure dns network would probably just about get messages there almost as fast as regular email

Obama's already got the kill switch ready to go in the name of national security. It's scary as hell. Have a little peek at one of the primary bloodlines of the richest families on Earth talking to the gubmint about the Internet and his particular views on the subject: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct9xzXUQLuY . I guess if I were one of the people who owned such a massive percentage of the world's wealth, one of the people who is facing increasing public outcry for documented attempts to control, lock down, chip, and depopulate the Earth's population, I'd probably want to get rid of the Internet, too. His family and the Rothschilds own the corporate media in this country; it's primarily the independent journalistsn and bloggers who are responsible for the public's growing awareness of
what scumbags these people truly are.
You might be interested, also, in checking out http://www.reddit.com/r/darknet for more information on the ideas that
you're referencing in the 2nd paragraph. I'm not so sure something like that is going to work for too long, though; I've got a feeling that the kill
switch will take anything using the primary internet as its backbone down pretty quick. That's why I've got a modem now and I'm planning on getting it configured and tested as soon as possible here. I agree completely with your final statements about independent BBSen, and I feel that such
communications, along with various QWK networks and FTN networking, may be our last resorts. Might want to look into HAM & packet radio xmission for connecting to them, as well.

-The opinions expressed are not necessarily an advocation of any of the aforementioned ideologies, concepts, or actions. We still have the freedom of speech, for now, and I enjoy using it in a satirical or ficticious manner to amuse myself.-

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Re: Internet 2.0
By: Jeff.Clayton to All on Fri Mar 01 2013 23:29:11

What are your thoughts about better control by governments over a new improv version of the WWW? Do you believe each person who has any access to the WWW must have an approved user I.D.? Do you agree all users must be approved by governing authority like the U.N. before you can run a
web site or register domain? How about those taxes the progressives want to levy on you for each mail, purchase and just for being alive?

Hiya, Jeff. Long time no type.
My thoughts on better control over the WWW (I'm also assuming that you mean the internet in general, not just the web) is that it's completely necessary for the ruling elite at this stage in the game, and will be implemented sometime soon in order to crack down on the spread of information through independent journalists and citizen bloggers who are currently blowing
all of the government's attempts to censor the media and
propagandize all of the 'news' that the American public sees,
hears, and talks about. If you don't think that there is any sort of propagandization going on, please check out this following link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=me9P1eA9Fpo which is footage of a hearing in 1975 at which the CIA actually admits to planting stories in major mainstream media.
Free speech is being cracked down on in a terrifying way. Just look at the DHS's (as well as other agencies') guides on who 'potential terrorists' are these days. I don't think it'll take long at all after these guys try to take the guns for the other amendments to be completely eroded
(including the right to free speech).
Wow this post is taking longer than I thought it would, and I need to
be getting ready for work in just a few minutes here. Anyway, to answer
the rest of the questions in your post, access to the web being approved
and tracked with a user ID? Completely unnecessary, much like gun registration, and it will only be implemented as an intermediate stage to controlling the content that people post and censoring certain individuals in general. The UN thing? Hell no it's not necessary; it's blatant infringement on our constitutional rights. Of course Obama himself has bitched about the Constitution 'being just a piece of paper', so obviously he doesn't give a crap in the woods about our rights.
The taxes? They're a big frigging joke, but the entities that enforce them are big enough to make fighting them impossible for any average citizen. The Constitution mandates that the country coin its own money,
and not for interest. Thank you, Woodrow Wilson, for signing the Federal Reserve Act and destroying what was left of our independence in the name of corporate and oligarichal control. Our taxes aren't needed at all, it's just another part of the big scam, one tenet of which is that the people
are easier to repress when they're spending 2/3 or more of their waking hours devoted to just having enough money to survive and have a roof over their heads for the remaining hours or for when they sleep. It also justifies the IRS, which is soaking the American public for any extra cash that they have in order to funnel it into the Federal Reserve's coffers
(and into the pockets of the unnamed individuals and institutions who are responsible for the trillions that have already simply 'disappeared' according to Bernanke).
Peace, love, and chicken grease.

-The opinions expressed are not necessarily an advocation of any of the aforementioned ideologies, concepts, or actions. We still have the freedom of speech, for now, and I enjoy using it in a satirical or ficticious
manner to amuse myself.-

ΓÇ£In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act.ΓÇ¥-- George Orwell

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Well that is much typing..lol I

I do believe that no matter what we do our wonderful government will move
ahead with gaining even more control over the internet if that is possible. It is not necessary for efficient and safe operation but total control is
required by tyrants!
A life devoid of integrity and fairness is no life at all!
MGH AKA Jeff Clayton

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What are your thoughts about better control by governments over a new improved version of the WWW? Do you believe each person who has any access to the WWW must have an approved user I.D.? Do you agree all users must be approved by a governing authority like the U.N. before you can run a web site or register a domain? How about those taxes the progressives want to levy on you for each e- mail, purchase and just for being alive?
A life devoid of integrity and fairness is no life at all!
MGH AKA Jeff Clayton

Yeah, no. If this would ever happen, you can expect there to be many underground darknets created and running separate from the net 2.0. There are too many Fascist governments who want control, and it's pretty scary what they would do with that power.

Heh, I already get taxed on my Internet services. Good luck tracking every single email sent. Again, all it takes is someone to run email servers on alternate ports and begin their own email system.

On the other hand, of it ever does happen, I would think that it would create a need for independent BBSes again. Running ftp and an obscure dns network would probably just about get messages there almost as fast as regular email.
Just my thoughts...

-=Fireball=-

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If they did want to shut us down no amount of alternate porting would help.
The government has had backdoor access to switches at telecoms ans ISP's for a long long time.
A life devoid of integrity and fairness is no life at all!
MGH AKA Jeff Clayton

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Re: Internet 2.0
By: Jeff.Clayton to All on Fri Mar 01 2013 11:29 pm

What are your thoughts about better control by governments over a new improved version of the WWW? Do you believe each person who has any access to the WWW must have an approved user I.D.? Do you agree all users must be approved by a governing authority like the U.N. before you can run a web site or register a domain? How about those taxes the progressives want to levy on you for each e- mail, purchase and just for being alive?
A life devoid of integrity and fairness is no life at all!
MGH AKA Jeff Clayton

Bring back the BBS again and all your worries are over.


$ The Millionaire $
Park Avenue Place
Surrey, B.C., Canada █ ♠ █


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Re: Internet 2.0
By: Jeff.Clayton to All on Fri Mar 01 2013 11:29 pm

What are your thoughts about better control by governments over a new improved version of the WWW? Do you believe each person who has any access to the WWW must have an approved user I.D.? Do you agree all users must be approved by a governing authority like the U.N. before you can run a web site or register a domain? How about those taxes the progressives want to levy on you for each e- mail, purchase and just for being alive?
A life devoid of integrity and fairness is no life at all!
MGH AKA Jeff Clayton

Bring back the BBS again and all your worries are over.

$ The Millionaire $
Park Avenue Place
Surrey, B.C., Canada █ ♠ █

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Good thought!


A life devoid of integrity and fairness is no life at all!
MGH AKA Jeff Clayton

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Re: Internet 2.0
By: The Millionaire to Jeff.Clayton on Sun Mar 03 2013 13:07:22

Bring back the BBS again and all your worries are over.

Almost true. BBSes will probably just be local islands of
relatively isolated folks, unless many of them have exchanged analog lines numbers to be used for modem communications by then. Right now even
FidoNet primarily uses the backbone of the internet to locate and poll connections from other nodes. If the 'internet kill switch' were hit,
there would be no way to locate backup modem numbers on the web, there
would be no way to exchange modem numbers via email with other sysops,
even if you know they have backup modem lines available. A locally
isolated system isn't worth a whole lot, really; we need to have the international informational exchange that is provided with a robust
network independently of the Internet. I really wish that someone would
start compiling a list of backup telephone numbers for BBSes that are
'kill switch ready'. If I can get through the massive list of things to
do that I have scheduled today maybe I'll try setting one up myself. :)


-The opinions expressed are not necessarily an advocation of any of the aforementioned ideologies, concepts, or actions. We still have the freedom of speech, for now, and I enjoy using it in a satirical or ficticious manner to amuse myself.-

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Re: Internet 2.0
By: Khelair to The Millionaire on Tue Mar 05 2013 11:07 am

Almost true. BBSes will probably just be local islands of
relatively isolated folks, unless many of them have exchanged analog lines

That is sort of the way it was before america online came around.

numbers to be used for modem communications by then. Right now even
FidoNet primarily uses the backbone of the internet to locate and poll

You are almost correct but you must be young because originally fidonet and things like usenet and what not were around before the conveniance of the
internet to transfer the mail packets. long ago in a land far far away
sysops used to use things called front door mailers and such to frequently
call out to other bbs's in order to send netmail back and fourth from bbs to bbs. back then the bbs was used daily to send and receive email because it wasnt as instant as it is now a days. some sysops had their bbs's configured
to do the mail transfers at midnight.

connections from other nodes. If the 'internet kill switch' were hit,

The 'internet kill switch' is a rumor and theoretical at that. i am not
saying the government does not have the power to order the servers running
the internet because most are probably run in area 51 or something. Do nott
get me wrong, i believe it is important for it to continue running we need persons like yourself calling polititions out to be parinoid of infringing on our constitutional rights. if no one squeeked their wheels no one would get anything fixed because the politicians would become complaicent.

networks would revert to dial up connections.
it would be slow but i think we would find a way to manage.

there would be no way to locate backup modem numbers on the web, there

that is why bbs lists are usually advertised on local boards. in the day the sysops used to have god by screens for a logging off user to call such and
such bbs. now most of the bbs lists really only list the telenet addresses of other boards. if you would imagine every where you see a wep or ip address
link to visit another board listing a phone number you may be able to imagine how it was.

would be no way to exchange modem numbers via email with other sysops,

it would be sysops getting together with other sysops telling each other i
will put your bbs number on my board if you do the same and advertise mine. that has mutated to how on our networked message bases people post their
board advertisements like the pharcyde agoranet. back then that is how acid networks got started.

even if you know they have backup modem lines available. A locally
isolated system isn't worth a whole lot, really; we need to have the international informational exchange that is provided with a robust

this is how much the bbs scene has mutated to/from the internet. it also demonstrates how entagral the internet has become and how much of political

suicide it would be for any politician to "press" the internet "off/kill" switch.

network independently of the Internet. I really wish that someone would start compiling a list of backup telephone numbers for BBSes that are
'kill switch ready'. If I can get through the massive list of things to
do that I have scheduled today maybe I'll try setting one up myself. :)

all you need is one phone number of an active dial up bbs and you can get
other dial up numbers from that one. that is how we used to do it back in the day. it was word of mouth and grew from there. i remember going to a Radio Shack to get my first bbs numbers.

Respectfully,
Michael
ShadowHeart
The Savage Empire BBS
tsebbs.com

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Re: Internet 2.0
By: Shadowheart to Khelair on Tue Mar 05 2013 18:40:00

Good lord a cut 'n paste just went awry and I lost a good 25-50 lines of text that I'd been typing in my reply to you. :( I'll try to recreate what I had written previously; I wonder why the hell 'pico'
couldn't handle some simple pasted raw text.

Re: Internet 2.0
By: Khelair to The Millionaire on Tue Mar 05 2013 11:07 am

Almost true. BBSes will probably just be local islands of relatively isolated folks, unless many of them have exchanged analog line

That is sort of the way it was before america online came around.

I was online in this day and age, as well. I knew of 2 local BBS systems that I found out about from a friend, when I first picked up some telecommunications equipment (archaic as it was); I have no idea where he
came up with these numbers, but there was no real 'list' around here at
the time. After I got to know some of the users of these local BBSes, I made pretty good friends with another kid who was my same age on there; he opened my eyes to the wonder that was the internet before the days of the WWW. The only number available for access at the time was via the higher education computer network for the state, and the accounts weren't legitimate, they were CrackerJack produced dictionary attack successes from somebody that knew their *NIX stuff before I even knew what it was. Those were back in the days where files were found solely by archie and FTP, the closest thing to the web was gopher, and if you went to other sites it was by telnet or rlogin.

You are almost correct but you must be young because originally fidonet and things like usenet and what not were around before the conveniance of the
internet to transfer the mail packets. long ago in a land far far away sysops used to use things called front door mailers and such to frequently call out to other bbs's in order to send netmail back and fourth from bbs to bbs. back then the bbs was used daily to send and receive email because it wasnt as instant as it is now a days. some sysops had their bbs's configured to do the mail transfers at midnight.

Oh I'm well aware of ZMH and the way that message packets were transferred between analog line based systems. I thought I made that
clear in my message but it could well have been one that I typed either A) before having enough coffee to make my point clearly or B) after so much coffee that my point came unhinged and I hurriedly banged at the keys from
my Larry King hunchbacked position in front of the glowing amusement box here. I'm totally working on getting my BBS set up with all of this
oldschool technology as backup systems whenever my place of work isn't
keeping me too busy with the whole wageslave thing.
I'm 35, btw. ;) Younger than a bunch that I've seen around, but
by no means a spring chicken any more. Just a couple of years ago I
started developing a paunch on my gut that I thought I would NEVER have to
deal with thanks to how fast my metabolism has always been; alas, now I can't keep it off unless I'm running 6+ miles per week and interspersing
it with physical training damn near as hard as the Army used to put me
through.

The 'internet kill switch' is a rumor and theoretical at that. i am not saying the government does not have the power to order the servers running the internet because most are probably run in area 51 or something. Do nott get me wrong, i believe it is important for it to continue running we need persons like yourself calling polititions out to be parinoid of infringing o our constitutional rights. if no one squeeked their wheels no one would get anything fixed because the politicians would become complaicent.

I try to be as politically active as possible without seeming to
get onto their lunatic fringe list. The time needed to be able to get
this kind of action done just seems to melt away more and more now that
I'm working again, though.
As far as there being an actual big red switch that the chief
executive hits to take all of our 'net communications down, I'm sure
you're right. However, please take a look at the following analysis of
his Assignment of National Security and Emergency Preparedness
Communications Functions (an executive order):

-=-=-=-
The White House has finally responded to criticism over US President Barack ObamaΓÇÖs hushed signing last week of an Executive Order that allows the government to command privately-owned communication systems and acknowledges its implications.

When President Obama inked his name to the Assignment of National Security and Emergency Preparedness Communications Functions Executive Order on July 6, he authorized the US Department of Homeland Security to take control of the countryΓÇÖs wired and wireless communications ΓÇö including the Internet ΓÇö in instances of emergency. The signing was accompanied with little to no acknowledgment outside of the White House, but initial reports on the order quickly caused the public to speak out over what some equated to creating an Oval Office kill switch for the Web. Now the Obama administration is addressing those complaints by calling the Executive Order a necessary implement for AmericaΓÇÖs national security.

ΓÇ£The [order] recognizes the creation of DHS and provides the Secretary the flexibility to organize the communications systems and functions that reside within the department as [Homeland Security Secretary Janet A. Napolitano] believes will be most effective,ΓÇ¥ White House spokeswoman Caitlin Hayden tells the Washington Post.

Hayden insists that ΓÇ£The [order] does not transfer authorities between or among departments,ΓÇ¥ but the order does indeed allow the DHS to establish and implement control over even the privately owned communication systems in the country, including Internet Service Providers such as Time Warner, Verizon and Comcast, if the administration agrees that it is warranted for securityΓÇÖs sake.
-=-=-=-
(cut from: http://www.mercatornet.com/sheila_liaugminas/view/11281)

networks would revert to dial up connections.
it would be slow but i think we would find a way to manage.

there would be no way to locate backup modem numbers on the web, there

that is why bbs lists are usually advertised on local boards. in the day the sysops used to have god by screens for a logging off user to call such and such bbs. now most of the bbs lists really only list the telenet addresses o other boards. if you would imagine every where you see a wep or ip address link to visit another board listing a phone number you may be able to imagin how it was.

I agree to a point. I think that it would take some serious time, though. The mainstream users of the web these days will just be shut down, I believe. The diehards will be able to start looking for ways to get in contact with BBSes again, but the very fact that BBSes list telnet addresses instead of phone numbers will make this nigh impossible. Who knows how many people are going to actually have the digits written down when searching for them via the internet is no longer possible.

it would be sysops getting together with other sysops telling each other i will put your bbs number on my board if you do the same and advertise mine. that has mutated to how on our networked message bases people post their board advertisements like the pharcyde agoranet. back then that is how acid networks got started.

Ayuh, I agree. I really think that sysops that aren't already connected to Fido or Dove-Net are going to be outside of that loop for quite some time, though. What I'm trying to say is that yeah, it'll evolve and will survive, but it's going to take some time, and the time that it's going to take is going to be when people need the networking resource the most, I fear. Who other than the aforementioned sysops of those networks have dialup numbers written down or stored in a text file for use? I guess the Thai probably have some, at least. ;)

this is how much the bbs scene has mutated to/from the internet. it also demonstrates how entagral the internet has become and how much of political suicide it would be for any politician to "press" the internet "off/kill" switch.

Absolutely it would. What about for a president like Obama which has already taken for granted his mandate from the people via the 2nd election, though? He doesn't have anything to lose. He'll get a plush corporate job after his presidency no matter what the constituents think of him, provided he doesn't usurp dictatorial control at some point in the next 3+ years.

all you need is one phone number of an active dial up bbs and you can get other dial up numbers from that one. that is how we used to do it back in th day. it was word of mouth and grew from there. i remember going to a Radio Shack to get my first bbs numbers.

I hear what you're saying, my good man, but I don't really agree on this point. Those will take serious time to be generated and propagated around again, most likely when we need the resource of international networking most.

-The opinions expressed are not necessarily an advocation of any of the aforementioned ideologies, concepts, or actions. We still have the freedom of speech, for now, and I enjoy using it in a satirical or ficticious manner to amuse myself.-

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Re: Internet 2.0
By: Shadowheart to Khelair on Tue Mar 05 2013 06:40 pm

all you need is one phone number of an active dial up bbs and you can get other dial up numbers from that one. that is how we used to do it back in the day. it was word of mouth and grew from there. i remember going to a Radio Shack to get my first bbs numbers.

We used to hand out copies of COMMO on old AOL disks with the numbers of local networked BBSes in the dialing directory.

Gettin' the word and out and stickin' it to the MAN.

--pF

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