Does everybody use SyncTERM or ZOC? Are there other decent options? I like SyncTERM as far as BBSes go, because it desplays the ascii correctly, and I've tried ZOC, but I find for instance I have trouble connecting to Talkers with it (yes there are some still around) I'd love to find a Telnet client that is as simple as SyncTERM but has local echo, because I find it somewhat irritating not seeing what I type on some Telnet servers, PuTTY apparently has local echo and doesn't send the text until you hit enter, but it doesn't display Ascii right. hmm, I guess I am looking for some suggestions, or am I stuck with SyncTERM or ZOC.

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Crazy Giant wrote to All <=-

Does everybody use SyncTERM or ZOC? Are there other decent options? I
like SyncTERM as far as BBSes go, because it desplays the ascii
correctly, and I've tried ZOC, but I find for instance I have trouble connecting to Talkers with it (yes there are some still around) I'd
love to find a Telnet client that is as simple as SyncTERM but has
local echo, because I find it somewhat irritating not seeing what I
type on some Telnet servers, PuTTY apparently has local echo and
doesn't send the text until you hit enter, but it doesn't display Ascii right. hmm, I guess I am looking for some suggestions, or am I stuck
with SyncTERM or ZOC.

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Disclaimer: this is a shameless plug as I'm the author. :-)

If you are using Linux or Mac OS X, there is also qodem (ncurses-based
Qmodem clone): http://qodem.sf.net . It is as faithful to Qmodem 4.6
/ 5.0 as I could make it, but also has lots of features for more
modern systems (e.g. Unicode, capture to HTML, long filenames, kermit
support, and many others).

It might take a little bit of tweaking to get working right depending
on your distro's defaults. I just added a "Getting Started Guide" to
outline those details.

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Re: Telnet clients
By: Crazy Giant to All on Sat Jul 31 2010 08:59 pm

Does everybody use SyncTERM or ZOC? Are there other decent options? I like SyncTERM as far as BBSes go, because it desplays the ascii correctly, and I' tried ZOC, but I find for instance I have trouble connecting to Talkers with (yes there are some still around) I'd love to find a Telnet client that is a simple as SyncTERM but has local echo, because I find it somewhat irritating not seeing what I type on some Telnet servers, PuTTY apparently has local ec and doesn't send the text until you hit enter, but it doesn't display Ascii right. hmm, I guess I am looking for some suggestions, or am I stuck with SyncTERM or ZOC.

There is an alternative. try Bterm by the makers of BBBS.

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Re: Re: Telnet clients
By: Kevinl to Crazy Giant on Sun Aug 01 2010 12:23 pm

If you are using Linux or Mac OS X, there is also qodem (ncurses-based Qmodem clone): http://qodem.sf.net . It is as faithful to Qmodem 4.6
/ 5.0 as I could make it, but also has lots of features for more
modern systems (e.g. Unicode, capture to HTML, long filenames, kermit support, and many others).

Could you make a windows version? I think a program like that would be a winner. Even if you had to make it shareware for like $10 or $20 you might have a winning project.
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Re: Re: Telnet clients
By: Kevinl to Crazy Giant on Sun Aug 01 2010 12:23 pm

Disclaimer: this is a shameless plug as I'm the author. :-)
If you are using Linux or Mac OS X, there is also qodem (ncurses-based Qmodem clone): http://qodem.sf.net . It is as faithful to Qmodem 4.6
/ 5.0 as I could make it, but also has lots of features for more
modern systems (e.g. Unicode, capture to HTML, long filenames, kermit support, and many others).

Let me know when you switch to windows and take a liking to Telix 3.15

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Re: Re: Telnet clients
By: Kevinl to Crazy Giant on Sun Aug 01 2010 12:23 pm

If you are using Linux or Mac OS X, there is also qodem (ncurses-based Qmodem clone): http://qodem.sf.net . It is as faithful to Qmodem 4.6
/ 5.0 as I could make it, but also has lots of features for more
modern systems (e.g. Unicode, capture to HTML, long filenames, kermit support, and many others).

Could you make a windows version? I think a program like that would be
a winner. Even if you had to make it shareware for like $10 or $20 you might have a winning project.

I hope to have time someday to port it to a native Win32 / Win94 app,
but it would take a while. It uses a lot of POSIX calls (fork(),
select(), kill(), wait4(), stat(), statvfs(), ...) that would need to
be changed.

However, I did get it to work in Cygwin today. You have to use
PuTTYCyg to get a proper terminal console, and set PuTTYCyg to UTF-8
encoding, but otherwise qodem seems to run OK. I put a new
qodem-0.2.2.tar.gz on the main web page if you would like to be my
guinea pig. :)

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Re: Telnet clients
By: Crazy Giant to All on Sat Jul 31 2010 08:59 pm

Does everybody use SyncTERM or ZOC? Are there other decent options? I like SyncTERM as far as BBSes go, because it desplays the ascii correctly, and I've tried ZOC, but I find for instance I have trouble connecting to
Talkers with it (yes there are some still around) I'd love to find a Telnet client that is as simple as SyncTERM but has local echo, because I find it somewhat irritating not seeing what I type on some Telnet servers, PuTTY apparently has local echo and doesn't send the text until you hit enter,
but it doesn't display Ascii right. hmm, I guess I am looking for some suggestions, or am I stuck with SyncTERM or ZOC.

Also checkout HyperTerminal PE and mTelnet (for Windows).

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Re: Telnet clients
By: Digital Man to Crazy Giant on Tue Aug 03 2010 17:41:32

Re: Telnet clients
By: Crazy Giant to All on Sat Jul 31 2010 08:59 pm

Does everybody use SyncTERM or ZOC? Are there other decent options? I lik SyncTERM as far as BBSes go, because it desplays the ascii correctly, and I've tried ZOC, but I find for instance I have trouble connecting to Talkers with it (yes there are some still around) I'd love to find a Teln client that is as simple as SyncTERM but has local echo, because I find i somewhat irritating not seeing what I type on some Telnet servers, PuTTY apparently has local echo and doesn't send the text until you hit enter, but it doesn't display Ascii right. hmm, I guess I am looking for some suggestions, or am I stuck with SyncTERM or ZOC.

Also checkout HyperTerminal PE and mTelnet (for Windows).

digital man

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A snail breathes through it's foot.

I may be wrong here, but ZOC does have Local Echo. Check out the settings.

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Re: Telnet clients
By: Mikesla to Digital Man on Tue Aug 03 2010 10:16 pm

I may be wrong here, but ZOC does have Local Echo. Check out the settings.

Oh I know it does, but some of the servers I wanted it for for some reason ZOC has trouble connecting to. It will appear to connect and then just give me a blank screen with a cursor on it.

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Re: Telnet clients
By: Crazy Giant to Mikesla on Wed Aug 04 2010 06:20 pm

I may be wrong here, but ZOC does have Local Echo. Check out the setting

Oh I know it does, but some of the servers I wanted it for for some reason Z has trouble connecting to. It will appear to connect and then just give me a blank screen with a cursor on it.

I use ZOC frequently and have very little problems with it. If you could give me a site that gives you problems, I could play around with my ZOC and settings and let you know what to use.... I do know there's settings that allow the host to control your Echo, which in cases like you describe should be un-checked, because regardless of the echo status you choose, the host can say "I demand full duplex" (even if it's not really using it) and ZOC will then turn off local echo and force you to use full duplex.

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Re: Telnet clients
By: John Guillory to Crazy Giant on Wed Aug 04 2010 08:06 pm

I use ZOC frequently and have very little problems with it. If you could give me a site that gives you problems, I could play around with my ZOC and settings and let you know what to use.... I do know there's settings that al the host to control your Echo, which in cases like you describe should be un-checked, because regardless of the echo status you choose, the host can s "I demand full duplex" (even if it's not really using it) and ZOC will then turn off local echo and force you to use full duplex.

The ones that give me the most trouble are two talkers I've tried to connect to, centralperk.us on port 2323 and uberworld.org on 2020 both of them no matter what options I've been able to select, look like they're connecting and then just show me a blank screen. On SyncTERM it goes straight to the login prompt.

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Re: Telnet clients
By: Crazy Giant to John Guillory on Thu Aug 05 2010 08:31 am

The ones that give me the most trouble are two talkers I've tried to connect to, centralperk.us on port 2323 and uberworld.org on 2020 both of them no matter what options I've been able to select, look like they're connecting a then just show me a blank screen. On SyncTERM it goes straight to the login prompt.

They work fine over here, I did have to turn on Local Echo and only Echo CR
to get them to work. Also, initially centralperk.us had the blank screen
problem you mentioned, but when I switched to tty terminal that problem
went away. It appears that problem is in the Emulation....

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El 31/07/10 21:59, Crazy Giant escribi≤:

Does everybody use SyncTERM or ZOC? Are there other decent options? I like SyncTERM as far as BBSes go, because it desplays the ascii correctly, and I've
tried ZOC, but I find for instance I have trouble connecting to Talkers with it
(yes there are some still around) I'd love to find a Telnet client that is as simple as SyncTERM but has local echo, because I find it somewhat irritating not seeing what I type on some Telnet servers, PuTTY apparently has local echo
and doesn't send the text until you hit enter, but it doesn't display Ascii right. hmm, I guess I am looking for some suggestions, or am I stuck with SyncTERM or ZOC.

Crazy Giant
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bbs.crazygiant.net

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i use syncterm and qodem
its have good ansi emulation that work fine for me (almost on gnu/Linux)

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Does everybody use SyncTERM or ZOC? Are there other decent options? I like SyncTERM as far as BBSes go, because it desplays the ascii correctly, and I' tried ZOC, but I find for instance I have trouble connecting to Talkers with (yes there are some still around) I'd love to find a Telnet client that is a simple as SyncTERM but has local echo, because I find it somewhat irritating not seeing what I type on some Telnet servers, PuTTY apparently has local ec and doesn't send the text until you hit enter, but it doesn't display Ascii right. hmm, I guess I am looking for some suggestions, or am I stuck with SyncTERM or ZOC.

I personally use ZoC, but that was mostly as a personal preference. I much prefer it to HyperTerminal on Windows. It supports tabs, supports IEMSI
(which comes in handy because I often create randomly generated passwords),
and it also support SSH (the primary reason I picked it up).

I currently use it in Wine in Linux most of the time and it appears to cooperate pretty well. I think there's also a Mac version, so if ever I decided to move to that platform (unlikely), I guess I have that going for
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Does everybody use SyncTERM or ZOC? Are there other decent options? I like SyncTERM as far as BBSes go, because it desplays the ascii correctly, and I' tried ZOC, but I find for instance I have trouble connecting to Talkers with (yes there are some still around) I'd love to find a Telnet client that is a simple as SyncTERM but has local echo,

i prefer mtelnet on windows, syncterm on linux.

if you're running a bbs i suggest you setup flashterm or ftelnet , flash
telnet applets you can put on your web.

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so, the list of client programs goes like this: mTelnet, SyncTERM, ZOC, qodem, Mtel, EasyPeasy, Bterm, Telix Riptel, Neterm. They qualify as telnet clients; are these programs good to bbs with?
[Jcecmp]

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Re: Telnet clients
By: Jcecmp to All on Sat Aug 21 2010 11:25 am

so, the list of client programs goes like this: mTelnet, SyncTERM, ZOC, qodem, Mtel, EasyPeasy, Bterm, Telix Riptel, Neterm. They qualify as telnet clients; are these programs good to bbs with?

SyncTerm is ace, just as much as Mtel.
But if you want something free to dial up bbs or telnet bterm is pretty good.

If you want to pay money Zoc is good as well.
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Jcecmp wrote to All <=-

so, the list of client programs goes like this: mTelnet, SyncTERM,
ZOC, qodem, Mtel, EasyPeasy, Bterm, Telix Riptel, Neterm. They qualify
as telnet clients; are these programs good to bbs with?
[Jcecmp]

I can only speak for qodem (I wrote it and use it regularly), but it
is pretty decent as both a BBS client and a Unix/VMS client (it's
VT100 is better than most). One weakness however is file transfers
over unreliable links like bare 3-wire RS232 or old
non-error-correcting modems (usually 9600 bps or slower). Zmodem is
fixed in CVS but it's not yet pushed out in a release.

One thing I like is that qodem can capture to HTML format, converting
CP437 characters along the way to Unicode. This is how I got the
Qmodem(tm) user's guide into HTML (http://qodem.sf.net/qmodemtd.html).
On many browsers it looks identical to how it looked in DOS - even the
white text on black background.

And if you find a bug, I'll do my best to fix it. :)

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Re: Telnet clients
By: Jcecmp to All on Sat Aug 21 2010 11:25 am

so, the list of client programs goes like this: mTelnet, SyncTERM, ZOC, qodem, Mtel, EasyPeasy, Bterm, Telix Riptel, Neterm. They qualify as telnet clients; are these programs good to bbs with?

If you really need some more, I can give you LunaTerm for Android phones. I tried it on my BackFlip... Gotta tell ya man, unless you're looking to go insane, TELNET ON A CELL PHONE IS STUPID! Get real, the screen size is way too small! Unless you call a BBS that is optimized for about a 20x10 screen, you don't want to use it! On the other hand, I could probably write a new menu optimized for the teeny tiny screen that'd let me check my e-mail and read messages, etc. and run remote jobs from my phone.... But.... Man.... WEB works better for that! Oh, and the app was written by a chinese guy and has a bunch of chinese BBS's by default.... (or russian don't remember....)

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Re: Telnet clients
By: Jcecmp to All on Sat Aug 21 2010 11:25 am

so, the list of client programs goes like this: mTelnet, SyncTERM, ZOC, qodem, Mtel, EasyPeasy, Bterm, Telix Riptel, Neterm. They qualify as
telnet clients; are these programs good to bbs with?

You left out HyperTerminal (Private Edition), and some others (e.g. Microsoft's telnet.exe). I think Mtel and mTelnet are the same thing, no?

Some are better than others to BBS with. It depends on what your needs are as far as teminal emulation, file transfers, screen resolutions, different OSes, etc.

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Re: Telnet clients
By: Crazy Giant to All on Sat Jul 31 2010 08:59 pm

Does everybody use SyncTERM or ZOC? Are there other decent options? I like SyncTERM as far as BBSes go, because it desplays the ascii correctly, and I' tried ZOC, but I find for instance I have trouble connecting to Talkers with (yes there are some still around) I'd love to find a Telnet client that is a simple as SyncTERM but has local echo, because I find it somewhat irritating not seeing what I type on some Telnet servers, PuTTY apparently has local ec and doesn't send the text until you hit enter, but it doesn't display Ascii right. hmm, I guess I am looking for some suggestions, or am I stuck with SyncTERM or ZOC.

Syncterm is the best...

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Re: Telnet clients
By: the doctor to IB JOE on Thu Aug 26 2010 13:21:00

sync also has a few minor issues
like commands not working with the capslock on.

but all in syncterm is good

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Re: Telnet clients
By: the doctor to IB JOE on Thu

sync also has a few minor issues
like commands not working with the capslock on.

but all in syncterm is good

Yeah, it's my favourite term program. It just doesn't like the ansi screensavers.
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Re: Telnet clients
By: Samos to All on Thu Aug 26 2010 01:16 pm




I like the ANSI that makes color print in the messages; my terminal supports color. I don't know how to use the caps lock key and the color numbers to make my messages appear with feelings. I win-installed telnet from programs my setup came with. Do I know how to download or upload? maybe

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Re: Telnet clients
By: the doctor to IB JOE on Thu Aug 26 2010 01:21 pm

the author is more than happy to fix any of his software... tell him what U have found with synterm and he'll look into it.

I have been using it for years and never found an issue...

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Re: Telnet clients
By: the doctor to IB JOE on Thu Aug 26 2010 01:21 pm

the author is more than happy to fix any of his software... tell him
what U have found with synterm and he'll look into it.

I have been using it for years and never found an issue...

As a BBS client, SyncTERM is pretty good. I'm on linux and have to
run it in curses mode though, otherwise it pegs my CPU, no idea why.

As a general terminal emulator (i.e. using it to reach other VMS/Unix
hosts), SyncTERM is about average for BBS clients which means it isn't
that great. You need a VT100+ emulation that can handle 'vttest' for
that kind of use - speaking from experience that's about 10 times
harder than a basic ANSI.SYS emulator. One of the reasons the old
Unix greybeards were so unhappy with most of the DOS-based comm
programs, about the only one they didn't hate on was ProComm.

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Re: Telnet clients
By: the doctor to IB JOE on Thu

the author is more than happy to fix any of his software... tell him what U have found with synterm and he'll look into it.

I have been using it for years and never found an issue...

I'm sure he is. I set him an email on his BBS.

If you want to see the issue, log on to my bbs and select a screensaver, and let it run.

I never intended to criticize Syncterm. I use it every day.
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