Has anyone checked out Freenet ? Its a peer to peer anonymous network where
all the content is encrypted and pieced out to peers on the network.

Whats somewhat disturbing about it is that you can have data on your pc which may be part of illegal content or at least something you wish was not on your computer. However, its encrypted so you wouldnt really know what it is.

Its miserably slow and ugly to boot. I guess its a place to see what people will pusblish if they believe they are completely anonymous and safe from prosectution.

... just making conversation.. thx

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Re: Freenet Anyone?
By: Fantastic to All on Tue Dec 29 2009 12:42 pm

Its miserably slow and ugly to boot. I guess its a place to see what people will pusblish if they believe they are completely anonymous and safe from prosectution.

Noone is safe from prosecution, bud. I've personally had my house raided because of peer to peer related stuff, and I didn't make any money off of it, or have a damn thing that was encriminating myself on the computer. I lost two computers (evidence) and became a felon. Just keep an eye on what you do, and what rights you REALLY think you have.

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Re: Freenet Anyone?
By: Fantastic to All on Tue Dec 29 2009 12:42:26

Has anyone checked out Freenet ? Its a peer to peer anonymous network where all the content is encrypted and pieced out to peers on the network.

Without taking the time to look into the subject before I post, I'll say that I remember looking into this thing a year or two ago, then hearing a little while later that the project had tanked. Is it still being developed and supported? Are people still using it? It sounded interesting, but I had no use for it at the time and still have none.

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Re: Freenet Anyone?
By: echicken to Fantastic on Wed Dec 30 2009 04:21 pm

Without taking the time to look into the subject before I post, I'll say tha remember looking into this thing a year or two ago, then hearing a little wh later that the project had tanked. Is it still being developed and supporte Are people still using it? It sounded interesting, but I had no use for it the time and still have none.

I took a look at it. It seems relatively legit, but it has its shortcomings...

The thing that I don't like is that everyone on the network is sharing seemingly random bits of data. That being said, you could have a chunk of kiddie porn on your hard drive and not know it, but by installing the software on your computer I'm sure theat you could still be prosecuted for it. So, screw that :)

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Re: Freenet Anyone?
By: esc to echicken on Wed Dec 30 2009 21:40:28

The thing that I don't like is that everyone on the network is sharing seemingly random bits of data. That being said, you could have a chunk of kiddie porn on your hard drive and not know it, but by installing the softwa on your computer I'm sure theat you could still be prosecuted for it. So, screw that :)

I believe that this was exactly why I chose not to use this software. I get that it's a give-and-take scenario, but I found myself weighing the gravity of what *I* might wish to keep hidden against the seriousness of what someone else might want to keep hidden, and it didn't seem like such a good trade off.

So yeah, just like you did, I said "screw that" and never looked back. :)

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Re: Freenet Anyone?
By: Fantastic to All on Tue Dec 29 2009 12:42:26

Has anyone checked out Freenet ? Its a peer to peer anonymous network where all the content is encrypted and pieced out to peers on the network.

Hi Fantastic,

Yes, I have used it on/off in the past decade. It has gone from a true peer-to-peer system to something akin to a darknet, however it does seem like a fairly secure method to share small quantities of data.

The downside is that nothing has changed in the past ten years--it still looks and feels like a kiddie porn haven. You can actually find kiddie porn linked into some of the "main" crawler sites. Sick shit, and there's absolutely nothing that anyone can do about it, which is why I don't use it much... that kind of association leaves an unpalletable taste in my mouth.

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I believe that this was exactly why I chose not to use this software. I
get that it's a give-and-take scenario, but I found myself weighing the gravity what *I* might wish to keep hidden against the seriousness of what someone e might want to keep hidden, and it didn't seem like such a good trade off. So yeah, just like you did, I said "screw that" and never
looked back. :) echicken electronic chicken bbs -

I think you nailed it there. I haven't looked at Freenet,
but the idea of not being able to control my association
with things that go against my ideals is troublesome.

I wonder if that problem doesn't exist with a BBS as well.
One doesn't know what is on the same server that contains
your name, address, phone number, birth date, sex, and
other personal information.

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Re: Freenet Anyone?
By: Voxigo to echicken on Wed Feb 03 2010 18:29:08

I wonder if that problem doesn't exist with a BBS as well.
One doesn't know what is on the same server that contains
your name, address, phone number, birth date, sex, and
other personal information.

That's an interesting point, but at least in this scenario you aren't hosting someone else's illegal stuff yourself - your name is simply sitting on the same drive as it while it remains on somebody else's machine. Even if that drive were confiscated by the authorities and your name fell under scrutinous eyes you'd still be a far cry from having served up illegal materials from your own system.

What you've said does make sense but doesn't need to be limited to the BBS world; the same concerns could be apply to membership with any kind of website. Plus there's like five people still using BBSes so they probably don't fetch much attention from the authorities. :)

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That's an interesting point, but at least in this scenario you aren't
hostin someone else's illegal stuff yourself - your name is simply sitting on the s drive as it while it remains on somebody else's machine. Even if that drive were confiscated by the authorities and your name fell under scrutinous eyes you'd still be a far cry from having served up illegal materials from your o system.

I would tend to agree, but now you have the problem of proving
that this material is not available to you. Would a judge
understand what a BBS is and how it works. Sounds like it
could be an uphill climb. Not only that, but not all BBSs are
hosted in a big commercial server farm. What does it look like
if said BBS was run off someone's home computer? Just thinkin. :)

What you've said does make sense but doesn't
need to be limited to the BBS world; the same concerns could be apply to membership with any kind of websi Plus there's like five people still
using BBSes so they probably don't fetch much attention from the authorities. :) echicken electronic chicken bbs -

Actually, I'm glad they don't fetch much attention. Part of
the reason this subject interests me, and why I changed the
subject line, is the question of BBS security. I am very
surprised at how many BBSs require enough information to
get a credit card in your name, even just to find out what
they have to offer. Some of that, such as phone number,
is a hangover from the old days when many didn't have
call display and had to pay for lines to keep the board up.
Nowadays, I think it is highly inapropriate to be asking
for someone's sex and phone number. I wonder what's up
with that. It seems to me that a BBS is a great phishing
oppertunity. Except, like you say, there are only five
of us, and I'm probably the only old fart here. Probably
not a lot of phishing bait among the other four either.

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Re: BBS security (was Freenet anyone?)
By: Voxigo to echicken on Thu Feb 04 2010 03:06:57

Actually, I'm glad they don't fetch much attention. Part of

Me too! Although some days I wish there was a little more activity . . .

subject line, is the question of BBS security. I am very
surprised at how many BBSs require enough information to
get a credit card in your name, even just to find out what
they have to offer. Some of that, such as phone number,

I find that most BBSes don't ask me for any more information than what would be required of me to sign up for an email address, but it does depend on who you call. I typically hang up on ones that ask for too much or fabricate it all.

oppertunity. Except, like you say, there are only five
of us, and I'm probably the only old fart here. Probably
not a lot of phishing bait among the other four either.

I actually suspect that the young guys are outnumbered by old farts in this world, but I don't know if we've ever taken a census. Maybe we could ask some sysops to compile the age / sex data from their intrusive new-user signup questionaires to figure it out. :)

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Re: BBS security (was Freenet anyone?)
By: Voxigo to echicken on Thu Feb 04 2010 03:06 am

That's an interesting point, but at least in this scenario you aren't hostin someone else's illegal stuff yourself - your name is simply sittin on the s drive as it while it remains on somebody else's machine. Even if that drive were confiscated by the authorities and your name fell under scrutinous eyes you'd still be a far cry from having served up illegal materials from your o system.

I would tend to agree, but now you have the problem of proving
that this material is not available to you. Would a judge
understand what a BBS is and how it works. Sounds like it
could be an uphill climb. Not only that, but not all BBSs are
hosted in a big commercial server farm. What does it look like
if said BBS was run off someone's home computer? Just thinkin. :)

Well, with today's modern computer forensics they could find out who uploaded nasty stuff to your computer in about 3 minutes. Still, you've got to watch your ass!

What you've said does make sense but doesn't
need to be limited to the BBS world; the same concerns could be apply to membership with any kind of websi Plus there's like five people still using BBSes so they probably don't fetch much attention from the authorities. :) echicken electronic chicken bbs -

Actually, I'm glad they don't fetch much attention. Part of
the reason this subject interests me, and why I changed the
subject line, is the question of BBS security. I am very
surprised at how many BBSs require enough information to
get a credit card in your name, even just to find out what
they have to offer. Some of that, such as phone number,
is a hangover from the old days when many didn't have
call display and had to pay for lines to keep the board up.
Nowadays, I think it is highly inapropriate to be asking
for someone's sex and phone number. I wonder what's up
with that. It seems to me that a BBS is a great phishing
oppertunity. Except, like you say, there are only five
of us, and I'm probably the only old fart here. Probably
not a lot of phishing bait among the other four either.

I agree. Sex and phone number should not be asked for. Yah, when you're registering for a BBS, yah...they don't know YOU but you also don't know THEM. I don't like giving out any more info than I need to.

Guess I'll go talk to the Leprechauns...

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Re: BBS security (was Freenet anyone?)
By: echicken to Voxigo on Thu Feb 04 2010 09:48 am

oppertunity. Except, like you say, there are only five
of us, and I'm probably the only old fart here. Probably
not a lot of phishing bait among the other four either.

Well, I don't know how old you are echicken but as far as BBS Dinosaurs I might have you beat!

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Re: BBS security (was Freenet anyone?)
By: Rassilon to echicken on Fri Feb 05 2010 19:26:28

Well, I don't know how old you are echicken but as far as BBS Dinosaurs I mi have you beat!

It was actually Voxigo who was calling himself an old fart - I'm probably one of the younger people around, but hopefully not the youngest. :)

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Re: BBS security (was Freenet
By: Voxigo to echicken on Thu Feb 04 2010 03:06 am

Actually, I'm glad they don't fetch much attention. Part of the
reason this subject interests me, and why I changed the subject
line, is the question of BBS security. I am very surprised at how
many BBSs require enough information to get a credit card in your
name, even just to find out what they have to offer. Some of that,
such as phone number, is a hangover from the old days when many
didn't have call display and had to pay for lines to keep the board
up. Nowadays, I think it is highly inapropriate to be asking for
someone's sex and phone number. I wonder what's up with that. It
seems to me that a BBS is a great phishing oppertunity. Except,
like you say, there are only five of us, and I'm probably the only
old fart here. Probably not a lot of phishing bait among the other

well if you dont like it, dont sign up!

if there's a bbs that asks for a phone number, i just put all 1's.

nobody wants to open a credit card account with your information.

if people have a problem with the questions i ask [age, sex, and the
inforform stuff i dont read] , they can call some shitty stock board.


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Re: BBS security (was Freenet
By: Jas Hud to Voxigo on Mon Feb 08 2010 06:51 am

Re: BBS security (was Freenet
By: Voxigo to echicken on Thu Feb 04 2010 03:06 am

Actually, I'm glad they don't fetch much attention. Part of the
reason this subject interests me, and why I changed the subject
line, is the question of BBS security. I am very surprised at how
many BBSs require enough information to get a credit card in your
name, even just to find out what they have to offer. Some of that,
such as phone number, is a hangover from the old days when many
didn't have call display and had to pay for lines to keep the board
up. Nowadays, I think it is highly inapropriate to be asking for someone's sex and phone number. I wonder what's up with that. It
seems to me that a BBS is a great phishing oppertunity. Except,
like you say, there are only five of us, and I'm probably the only
old fart here. Probably not a lot of phishing bait among the other

well if you dont like it, dont sign up!

if there's a bbs that asks for a phone number, i just put all 1's.

nobody wants to open a credit card account with your information.

if people have a problem with the questions i ask [age, sex, and the inforform stuff i dont read] , they can call some shitty stock board.

How about if they want to see if it is "shitty stock board" or
something BEFORE they sign up? How would they know? We're not
talking about users here. We're talking about _potential_ users.
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Re: BBS security (was Freenet
By: Voxigo to Jas Hud on Sun Feb 14 2010 01:48 am

How about if they want to see if it is "shitty stock board" or
something BEFORE they sign up? How would they know? We're not
talking about users here. We're talking about _potential_ users.

That's why you have to option to create a guest account. Something for those potential users to try your board out, with limited access. For example, my guest account is not allowed to play door games, or post on networked messages. They are, however, allowed to post in the local messages, and move around on the board to check it out. If they decided they like it, they can create their own account, which allows full access to the board.

This is one big difference between BBSes and web forums. The accounts on BBSes allow for a little more attraction from people that want to have good conversation. A lot of people still prefer this form of communication over web forums because we don't seem to attract as many 12 year olds the say their dad can hack your computer.

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Re: BBS security (was Freenet
By: Access Denied to Voxigo on Sun Feb 14 2010 09:20 am

Re: BBS security (was Freenet
By: Voxigo to Jas Hud on Sun Feb 14 2010 01:48 am

How about if they want to see if it is "shitty stock board" or
something BEFORE they sign up? How would they know? We're not
talking about users here. We're talking about _potential_ users.

That's why you have to option to create a guest account. Something for those potential users to try your board out, with limited access. For example, my guest account is not allowed to play door games, or post on networked messag They are, however, allowed to post in the local messages, and move around on the board to check it out. If they decided they like it, they can create the own account, which allows full access to the board.

This is one big difference between BBSes and web forums. The accounts on BBS allow for a little more attraction from people that want to have good conversation. A lot of people still prefer this form of communication over w forums because we don't seem to attract as many 12 year olds the say their d can hack your computer.

axisd

Yes, Guest accounts are the way to go. Unfortunately, most
boards don't have it. You log in and the software just makes
fun of you. "Create New Account y/n", you hit "n" and it
starts to go around in circles. I think that is totally
incompitent and rude programming. I'm sorry if those are
strong words, but just how unthinking, or unfeeling, can
one expect a sysop or programmer to be? I am glad to hear
that you think guest accouts are the way to go. Limited
access, with an ability to check out the editor, if all
that is needed.

I don't know what kind of experience you have had with web
forums. Of course I can guess, because I have seen rude
kiddie forums. My experience is different. I am a very
active member of several forums and there is absolutely
no rudeness, or even inappropriate language. Actually
that may partially be because these are technical forums
which tends to appeal to older people. However, I do
think that adults have some responsibility in the kids
behave properly in public.

I am quickly learning how to navigate the BBS scene too.
There are many areas where people are emotionally young.
Scinet is spotted with homophobes and racists. I see the
same on Zer0net. In those cases it looks like we are
seeing 12 year olds who haven't yet found their "voice",
so to speak. We all go through a developmental stage
where we try out things like swearing. Usually we find out
soon that it just makes us look like fools. Anyway, kids
will be kids. :)
/v


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Re: BBS security (was Freenet
By: Access Denied to Voxigo on Sun Feb 14 2010 09:20 am

That's why you have to option to create a guest account. Something for
those potential users to try your board out, with limited access. For example, my guest account is not allowed to play door games, or post on networked messages. They are, however, allowed to post in the local messages, and move around on the board to check it out. If they decided
they like it, they can create their own account, which allows full access

well put


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Re: BBS security (was Freenet
By: Voxigo to Access Denied on Sun Feb 14 2010 03:41 pm

Yes, Guest accounts are the way to go. Unfortunately, most
boards don't have it. You log in and the software just makes
fun of you. "Create New Account y/n", you hit "n" and it
starts to go around in circles. I think that is totally
incompitent and rude programming. I'm sorry if those are
strong words, but just how unthinking, or unfeeling, can
one expect a sysop or programmer to be? I am glad to hear
that you think guest accouts are the way to go. Limited
access, with an ability to check out the editor, if all
that is needed.

You're right. Most boards don't have it, except the boards running current up-to-date BBS software. Most of these BBS softwares were programmed well before the web was popular in the public eye. So at the time it was the only way. You're usually connecting directly to someone's computer, accessing their files, etc. Of course any sysop in the right mind would want a _little_ information about you.

I don't know what kind of experience you have had with web
forums. Of course I can guess, because I have seen rude
kiddie forums. My experience is different. I am a very
active member of several forums and there is absolutely
no rudeness, or even inappropriate language. Actually
that may partially be because these are technical forums
which tends to appeal to older people. However, I do
think that adults have some responsibility in the kids
behave properly in public.

I've had all sorts of experience with them, actually. From gaming forums, to help forums, to Linux forums and whatever else. I started on BBSes, so maybe that's why I sway towards them in favoritism, and it's great that you favor what you like. But it's almost starting to seem like you're coming here trying to put this medium down and praise yours. If you don't like it here, by all means.. go back to your web forums.

I am quickly learning how to navigate the BBS scene too.
There are many areas where people are emotionally young.
Scinet is spotted with homophobes and racists. I see the
same on Zer0net. In those cases it looks like we are
seeing 12 year olds who haven't yet found their "voice",
so to speak. We all go through a developmental stage
where we try out things like swearing. Usually we find out
soon that it just makes us look like fools. Anyway, kids
will be kids. :)

Like I said. If you don't like it here, leave. It's that easy. If you want to point out certain places where there's people you don't like because of the way they act, you need to stop using the internet completely. There's racists, homophobes, and whatever else you speak of _everywhere_. One or two people won't ruin it for everyone. Just like on your web forums. Don't come around here talking down on this medium, as we don't come to yours to start up with you about how terrible it is.

axisd

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Re: BBS security (was Freenet
By: Access Denied to Voxigo on Sun Feb 14 2010 09:35 pm

Re: BBS security (was Freenet
By: Voxigo to Access Denied on Sun Feb 14 2010 03:41 pm

You're right. Most boards don't have it, except the boards running current up-to-date BBS software. Most of these BBS softwares were programmed well before the web was popular in the public eye. So at the time it was the only way. You're usually connecting directly to someone's computer, accessing the files, etc. Of course any sysop in the right mind would want a _little_ information about you.

E-mail address makes sense because it is verifiable. So does
a phone number verifier like we used to use. Of course, if a
person uses POTS to connect they might not have an internet
connection and vice versa. Some of the other information makes
sense as well from a social point of view. However the
idea of connecting directly to someone's computer is difficult
for me to understand. When is that not the case? You have to
connect to a computer in all cases don't you? Yes, a web
server may not belong to the content owner, or he may be
renting. Often in fact people _do_ own the server. I'm not
sure what the importance of that can be. Nor does it matter
if they keep the server at home or if they have it at some
other location. Whether you're running apache or MBE doesn't
seem to be relevant either. Is it?

I've had all sorts of experience with them, actually. From gaming forums, to help forums, to Linux forums and whatever else. I started on BBSes, so maybe that's why I sway towards them in favoritism, and it's great that you favor what you like.

No favourite yet.

But it's almost starting to seem like you're coming here tryi
to put this medium down and praise yours.

What do you mean by "coming here"?

If you don't like it here, by all
means.. go back to your web forums.

Thanks. :)

Like I said. If you don't like it here, leave. It's that easy. If you want t point out certain places where there's people you don't like because of the they act, you need to stop using the internet completely. There's racists, homophobes, and whatever else you speak of _everywhere_. One or two people won't ruin it for everyone.

Well, there aren't really any "people I don't like". I think
it is important to seperate the person from the problem. However
because I can accept the person doesn't mean that I think it is
a good idea to accept the behaviour. I am not referring to any
indevidual that I remember (or care to remember), just the
kinds of comments that I see. To me there is nothing wrong with
moderation in a situation like that. YMMV

Just like on your web forums. Don't come around
here talking down on this medium, as we don't come to yours to start up with you about how terrible it is.

I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at regarding coming
here or going there. They're not my web forums. I put up web pages
and services for other people to use and I don't expect compensation
or ask for user information, and that is what is prompting me to ask
what the real difference is with the BBS world. It used to be very
different when I first started using BBSs, but a lot has changed,
and I think it is worthwhile having a look at what those changes
really are and how to best adapt to them. In the process I was
also hoping to learn something.

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That's why you have to option to create a guest account. Something for th

Yes, Guest accounts are the way to go. Unfortunately, most
boards don't have it. You log in and the software just makes

Nor does this one. I killed the account. Security reasons.

You wouldnt like here anyways because it's largely stock. Works for my
callers who arent into flash as much as basic functionality.
xxcarol

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Re: BBS security (was Freenet
By: Voxigo to Access Denied on Sun Feb 14 2010 15:41:36

Yes, Guest accounts are the way to go. Unfortunately, most
boards don't have it. You log in and the software just makes
fun of you. "Create New Account y/n", you hit "n" and it
starts to go around in circles. I think that is totally
incompitent and rude programming. I'm sorry if those are
strong words, but just how unthinking, or unfeeling, can

If the only options you get are to log with an existing account or to create a new account, it's almost certainly because the sysop doesn't want to offer a guest account. My board doesn't have a guest account because I honestly don't see what's so tough about answering three or four quick questions before gaining access, and I like having some small idea of who has called me - even if they were just stopping by and never planning to return. If you choose not to create a new account, you return to a menu where you can choose to log in, sign up, retrieve your password, email me, or disconnect. If you really dislike the signup process, you can email me and maybe we can work around it if I feel so inclined.

Scinet is spotted with homophobes and racists. I see the
same on Zer0net. In those cases it looks like we are

No more so than DoveNet. Plus, the homophobia that you think you're seeing in these places is probably just you misunderstanding another generation's usage words like "gay" and "fag". I won't get into it at length here, but those words (when not directly employed as slurs) are rarely used the way they used to be.

same on Zer0net. In those cases it looks like we are
seeing 12 year olds who haven't yet found their "voice",
so to speak. We all go through a developmental stage
where we try out things like swearing. Usually we find out
soon that it just makes us look like fools. Anyway, kids
will be kids. :)

You've demonstrated elsewhere a sensitivity to strong language, so I think that you're making a bit of a leap here. I'd be shocked if there were a bunch of twelve year olds hanging out on BBSes and swearing at one another - there are very few people under 25 or 30 years old in this scene.

And anyway, when a fucking twelve year old fucking swears after, like, fucking every other fucking word, the little shit is just fucking trying to make himself sound like a big fucking man, dammit. That's how kids talk when they try swearing on for size - and they rarely do it quite right. I haven't encountered anyone on other networks who does such a shitty job of swearing, and I suspect that you're just sensitive to the kind of language that many people have been using on this medium for as long as they've been around.

echicken
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Re: BBS security (was Freenet
By: Carol Shenkenberger to Voxigo on Mon Feb 15 2010 03:01 pm

That's why you have to option to create a guest account. Something for

Yes, Guest accounts are the way to go. Unfortunately, most
boards don't have it. You log in and the software just makes

Nor does this one. I killed the account. Security reasons.

You wouldnt like here anyways because it's largely stock. Works for my callers who arent into flash as much as basic functionality.
xxcarol

Hi Carol,
Well, stock is fine by me. Since I've never played games in
my life (well 50 years ago a bit) I don't appreciate any of
the "flash" and stuff. Although a pleasant interface is good.
I like communication and that is why I have turned my
attention to BBSs again.

What kind of security reasons made you kill the Guest account?

Cheers,
Ole


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Re: BBS security (was Freenet
By: echicken to Voxigo on Mon Feb 15 2010 04:00 pm

HI Echicken,
I won't quote your earlier reply because I'm haveing trouble
figuring out how to insert a line in the editor on this
board and going to another would just delay things.

So, first of all, thankyou for your explanation, it shows
a bit of understanding:) Perhaps indeed there is a generational
problem with me regarding lanugage. I too won't get into
it more here, but again, thanks for the pointers. :)

Regarding answering questions. I understand what you're
saying when you don't think it is so tough to answer a few.
At first I was a bit shocked when I came back to BBSs. It
just didn't seem to be appropriate considering that there
isn't any security issues (much :) ) with something like
eg. Apache. I totally respect your choice to do whatever
you want to do with your board, and after I thought about
it for a minute it became clear that I too like to know
where people are comming from. Some people seem to think
that there is a security issue and that is a puzzle to me.
A really good explanation has not come forth yet. /v


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Re: BBS security (was Freenet
By: Carol Shenkenberger to Voxigo on Mon Feb 15 2010 03:01 pm

Nor does this one. I killed the account. Security reasons.

You wouldnt like here anyways because it's largely stock. Works for my callers who arent into flash as much as basic functionality.

with most BBS packages you can just login as guest instead of hitting 'Y' for new user etc.. so ...


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Re: BBS security (was Freenet
By: Voxigo to Carol Shenkenberger on Mon Feb 15 2010 03:27 pm

What kind of security reasons made you kill the Guest account?

google likes to crawl the hell out of your system if the robots exclusion protocol is'nt setup, web and FTP... that sucks.. with my search engine (BBSsearch) I can set it up as a rogue crawler wich ignores robots exclustions or make it a nice crawler... google does'nt seem to care what you have setup in the excusions so I guess we can put it in the rogue category.


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Re: BBS security (was Freenet
By: Ole Juul to Access Denied on Mon Feb 15 2010 02:41 am

E-mail address makes sense because it is verifiable. So does
a phone number verifier like we used to use. Of course, if a
person uses POTS to connect they might not have an internet
connection and vice versa. Some of the other information makes
sense as well from a social point of view.

And there you go. Now you have your reasoning behind the madness. That's why we ask people for a little bit of information about themselves.

Which also brings up the fact that most web forums I've applied on also ask you for your location, email address, and some other information. And I'd bet most of their (webmasters) reasons for asking for this information would be much the same as what we've told you about BBSes.

However the
idea of connecting directly to someone's computer is difficult
for me to understand. When is that not the case? You have to
connect to a computer in all cases don't you? Yes, a web
server may not belong to the content owner, or he may be
renting. Often in fact people _do_ own the server. I'm not
sure what the importance of that can be. Nor does it matter
if they keep the server at home or if they have it at some
other location. Whether you're running apache or MBE doesn't
seem to be relevant either. Is it?

See this is what I was ranting about in the message you replied to. You are either really slow, or are just purposely playing dumb to annoy people.

Most BBSes are run at home on your own personal computer. It's been that way since the 70s or 80s when BBSing came to be --

If you really want to see what BBSing is/was all about, watch the BBS documentary. It will explain a lot of things to you.

kinds of comments that I see. To me there is nothing wrong with
moderation in a situation like that. YMMV

So you're a Communist? That explains a lot. See, I believe in "Freedom of Speech." If you don't like it, ignore it. Simple as that.

Now if the rules were specified beforehand (ie: Fidonet), then sure.. abide by the rules or don't contribute. Those rules aren't set like that in either one of the networks you mentioned before. Therefore you'll have those kind of people. They can just as easily be ignored though.

I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at regarding coming
here or going there. They're not my web forums. I put up web pages
and services for other people to use and I don't expect compensation
or ask for user information, and that is what is prompting me to ask
what the real difference is with the BBS world.

We started talking about web forums, not web pages. If you put up web forums and don't ask for user information, I must say you would be the first I've ever seen or heard of.

We don't expect compensation for BBSes either. But if you haven't seen web forum ask for user information, there's something seriously wrong with you. There isn't a *huge* difference between the two really. Mainly BBSes were first, then the same kind of idea was taken to the web when that became popular. Some of us didn't want to make the change. *shrug*

different when I first started using BBSs, but a lot has changed,
and I think it is worthwhile having a look at what those changes
really are and how to best adapt to them. In the process I was
also hoping to learn something.

Not a whole lot has changed in the BBS community, except for the fact that it's probably a very large fraction smaller than it once was. Some BBS softwares have added in web/ftp servers to try and adapt, but the BBS is still the old fashioned BBS, IMHO.

axisd

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Re: BBS security (was Freenet
By: Voxigo to echicken on Mon Feb 15 2010 15:46:05

where people are comming from. Some people seem to think
that there is a security issue and that is a puzzle to me.
A really good explanation has not come forth yet. /v

I don't see any security problems posed by offering a guest account, assuming that you can disallow that account from relaying email through your system, etc. However, any security concerns would depend on the BBS software in question - what limits I can impose on guest accounts on my system may not be available to sysops running other BBS packages (though I think this is unlikely.)

it for a minute it became clear that I too like to know
where people are comming from. Some people seem to think

That's what it's all about for me - just knowing who's visited, where they're from, light details like that. Communication with distant parties was my main source of attraction to BBSes in the first place, and it remains so.

echicken
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That's why you have to option to create a guest account. Something

Yes, Guest accounts are the way to go. Unfortunately, most
boards don't have it. You log in and the software just makes

Nor does this one. I killed the account. Security reasons.

You wouldnt like here anyways because it's largely stock. Works for my callers who arent into flash as much as basic functionality.
xxcarol

Hi Carol,
Well, stock is fine by me. Since I've never played games in
my life (well 50 years ago a bit) I don't appreciate any of
the "flash" and stuff. Although a pleasant interface is good.
I like communication and that is why I have turned my
attention to BBSs again.

Mostly conversation here. I also have some 10 or so gamers into BRE. I have
a cute front screen and that's about it. More mucks with my occasional blind callers using screen readers. Since no one else cares, I leave it as it is.

What kind of security reasons made you kill the Guest account?

Constant hits from internet folks, mostly FTP which would have been easy to block separately but i decided, if you cant give me a handle, real sounding name, city/state or city/country, and a gender, I didnt need the hassles.

Basically, I *chose* to lock it off. I'm not aware of inherint security
issues in SBBS over it but as a security background sort, it made me nervous (perhaps unreasonably so). In the end, I just didnt want it.

xxcarol

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Nor does this one. I killed the account. Security reasons.

You wouldnt like here anyways because it's largely stock. Works for my callers who arent into flash as much as basic functionality.

with most BBS packages you can just login as guest instead of hitting 'Y' fo new user etc.. so ...

Shouldnt work here and i'd like to know if it does.

Keep in mind I have a streamlined question list and am not so much more than 'stock'. I have no interest in being other than functional. Once I was, but that was 1990 or so.
xxcarol

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Re: Freenet Anyone?
By: echicken to Voxigo on Wed Feb 03 2010 11:42 pm

Re: Freenet Anyone?
By: Voxigo to echicken on Wed Feb 03 2010 18:29:08

I wonder if that problem doesn't exist with a BBS as well.
One doesn't know what is on the same server that contains
your name, address, phone number, birth date, sex, and
other personal information.

That's an interesting point, but at least in this scenario you aren't hostin

g

someone else's illegal stuff yourself - your name is simply sitting on the s

ame

drive as it while it remains on somebody else's machine. Even if that drive were confiscated by the authorities and your name fell under scrutinous eyes you'd still be a far cry from having served up illegal materials from your o

wn

system.

What you've said does make sense but doesn't need to be limited to the BBS world; the same concerns could be apply to membership with any kind of websi

te.

Plus there's like five people still using BBSes so they probably don't fetch much attention from the authorities. :)

echicken
electronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.com - 416-273-7230

Yeah the issue that I have with freenet is that it's really slow, filled with kiddie porn, I don't want that on my computer. I hate not knowing what I have on my computer because of it. So I have tried it out even went so far as to publish a helpful site.
The issue is that it's filled with pedo's and anarchist's so that's never a good combo

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Re: Freenet Anyone?
By: echicken to Voxigo on Wed Feb 03 2010 11:42 pm

Re: Freenet Anyone?
By: Voxigo to echicken on Wed Feb 03 2010 18:29:08

I wonder if that problem doesn't exist with a BBS as well.
One doesn't know what is on the same server that contains
your name, address, phone number, birth date, sex, and
other personal information.

That's an interesting point, but at least in this scenario you aren't hostin

g

someone else's illegal stuff yourself - your name is simply sitting on the s

ame

drive as it while it remains on somebody else's machine. Even if that drive were confiscated by the authorities and your name fell under scrutinous eyes you'd still be a far cry from having served up illegal materials from your o

wn

system.

What you've said does make sense but doesn't need to be limited to the BBS world; the same concerns could be apply to membership with any kind of websi

te.

Plus there's like five people still using BBSes so they probably don't fetch much attention from the authorities. :)

echicken
electronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.com - 416-273-7230

Yeah the issue that I have with freenet is that it's really slow, filled with kiddie porn, I don't want that on my computer. I hate not knowing what I have on my computer because of it. So I have tried it out even went so
far as to publish a helpful site.
The issue is that it's filled with pedo's and anarchist's so that's never a good combo

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I wasn't comfortable with decentralized encrypted network that used your pc as a hub. I'd rather run another bbs. At least I'd have some control/moderation of the content.

I understand the need for anonymous communication and all, but I think its going to end up being like the press where the reporter/sysadmin would have to be responsible for content.

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