Has anyone had any experience with powerline ethernet adapters? For example: http://www.amazon.com/Powerline-Gigabit-Adapter-Through-Starter/dp/B00EPGHHSS/ I bought a house and so will be moving recently, and I was thinking of ways to get fast reliable networking throughout the house. Wi-fi doesn't always reach to all corners of a house, and for some PCs, I just tend to prefer wired networking for its speed and reliability. I've heard powerline ethernet adapters aren't as fast as plugging directly into a router, but it seems like it would be a lot easier to use powerline ethernet adapters than to install ethernet jacks & cables in the house.

I'd like to keep my BBS machine and my main desktop on a wired network connection. Maybe my TV/video player as well, to help with streaming video on my network, if a powerline adapter would offer more speed than wi-fi.

Nightfox

Re: Powerline Ethernet adapters
By: Nightfox to All on Fri Jun 19 2015 22:57:14

Has anyone had any experience with powerline ethernet adapters? For

My roomie has used them quite a bit with good experiences to report. Here's what he had to say about them when I asked him for a little blurb for you:

20:55 < neuro> it really depends on the wiring and what's plugged into it, but
those particular adapters theoretical max around 600Mbps
20:55 < neuro> I was seeing close to 300Mbps on partly 1940s, partly 1970s
wiring.
20:55 < neuro> with a lot of fucking electronics plugged in. dunno if I would
see that now with all the LED lamps or not.
20:55 < neuro> ***** was seeing less than 300Mbps but still pretty decent, IIRC

Hope that helps a little bit. I can get you more information if you're looking for specifics. He's actually working right now on getting his hardware back from the guy who borrowed it, and I believe we're planning on reinstalling it in the apartment here.
Saw that you mentioned buying a new house... You planning on staying in the city?
Best wishes.

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Re: Re: Powerline Ethernet adapters
By: Khelair to Nightfox on Sat Jun 20 2015 21:25:16

My roomie has used them quite a bit with good experiences to report. Here's what he had to say about them when I asked him for a little blurb for you:

20:55 < neuro> it really depends on the wiring and what's plugged into it, but
those particular adapters theoretical max around 600Mbps
20:55 < neuro> I was seeing close to 300Mbps on partly 1940s, partly 1970s

wiring.
20:55 < neuro> with a lot of fucking electronics plugged in. dunno if I would
see that now with all the LED lamps or not.
20:55 < neuro> ***** was seeing less than 300Mbps but still pretty decent, IIRC

Hope that helps a little bit.

Thanks for the info. I've also heard elsewhere that the wiring makes a difference - Specifically, I've heard from one person's experience that they seem to work best when both/all are plugged into outlets that are on the same circuit.

Saw that you mentioned buying a new house... You planning on staying in the city?

Yep, I'll still be in the same general area. :)

Nightfox

Re: Powerline Ethernet adapters
By: Nightfox to All on Fri Jun 19 2015 10:57 pm

Has anyone had any experience with powerline ethernet adapters? For example: http://www.amazon.com/Powerline-Gigabit-Adapter-Through-Starter/dp/B00EPGH HSS/ I bought a house and so will be moving recently, and I was thinking of ways to get fast reliable networking throughout the house.

Did you see my response on Facebook? I've got the BBS, an Apple TV and a wireless AP running on TrendNet TPL-406e adapters. Throughput is good. I notice a pretty significant speed difference between the wireless and the powerline adapters; the AppleTVs buffer much faster ont the powerline adapters. About once every two months or so the units would fall off the network until I unplugged the main unit and plug it back in. I unplug the main unit every couple of weeks when I think of it and haven't had them hang since.

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Re: Powerline Ethernet adapters
By: Poindexter Fortran to Nightfox on Sun Jun 21 2015 08:36:21

Did you see my response on Facebook? I've got the BBS, an Apple TV and a wireless AP running on TrendNet TPL-406e adapters. Throughput is good. I notice a pretty significant speed difference between the wireless and the powerline adapters; the AppleTVs buffer much faster ont the powerline adapters. About once every two months or so the units would fall off the network until I unplugged the main unit and plug it back in. I unplug the main unit every couple of weeks when I think of it and haven't had them hang since.

I saw your response on Facebook - Thanks. :) Ideally I wouldn't want to have to reset them every so often.

Nightfox

Re: Powerline Ethernet adapters
By: Nightfox to All on Fri Jun 19 2015 10:57 pm

I'd like to keep my BBS machine and my main desktop on a wired network connection. Maybe my TV/video player as well, to help with streaming video on my network, if a powerline adapter would offer more speed than wi-fi.

you could always just get a wireless repeater. your bbs machine and media center will work fine on wifi, btw.

or you can do like me and drill holes in the floors!
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Re: Powerline Ethernet adapters
By: Mro to Nightfox on Sun Jun 21 2015 12:37:19

I'd like to keep my BBS machine and my main desktop on a wired network
connection. Maybe my TV/video player as well, to help with streaming
video on my network, if a powerline adapter would offer more speed
than wi-fi.

you could always just get a wireless repeater. your bbs machine and media center will work fine on wifi, btw.

I don't think wifi is totally reliable all the time. Although disconnections are rare, my BBS machine will be up all the time and I'd rather it not be even momentarily disconnected from the network when on wifi. Wired connections tend to be more reliable, and is usually faster than wifi to boot (it seems that 802.11ac can surpass 1Gbit in some uses).

Nightfox

Re: Powerline Ethernet adapters
By: Nightfox to Mro on Sun Jun 21 2015 12:59 pm

I don't think wifi is totally reliable all the time. Although disconnections are rare, my BBS machine will be up all the time and I'd rather it not be even momentarily disconnected from the network when on wifi. Wired connections tend to be more reliable, and is usually faster than wifi to boot (it seems that 802.11ac can surpass 1Gbit in some uses).

you can get a really decent router that wont disconnect, though.
i prefer wired connections for downloading, but even with that, wifi is a decent speed.

i have datastream on wifi and nobody drops. i'd get an alert from teamviewer if it lost connection, too. it's a solid connection.


if i were you, i'd get a real nice router instead of those contraptions.
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Re: Powerline Ethernet adapters
By: Nightfox to All on Fri Jun 19 2015 10:57 pm

Has anyone had any experience with powerline ethernet adapters? For example: http://www.amazon.com/Powerline-Gigabit-Adapter-Through-Starter/dp/ B00EPGHHSS/

I bought that same kit back in October. I get about 200Mbps through-it, which is a big improvement over the old netgear PLN adapters I had (10Mbps?) and better than the 802.11g bridge I was using.

I'd like to keep my BBS machine and my main desktop on a wired network connection. Maybe my TV/video player as well, to help with streaming video on my network, if a powerline adapter would offer more speed than wi-fi.

802.11ac is theoretically faster, but it depends on range, isolation, and interference. The throughput you get with PLN depends on "stuff" too. I use combinations of Ethernet (mostly Gb), 802.11n (5GHz and 2.4GHz), 802.11g (bridged) and the ZyXel PLN adapters you referenced above.

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Re: Powerline Ethernet adapters
By: Mro to Nightfox on Sun Jun 21 2015 19:54:23

you can get a really decent router that wont disconnect, though.
i prefer wired connections for downloading, but even with that, wifi is a decent speed.

Wired connections tend to only be faster when copying data in your own home network rather than downloading from the internet, since home internet connections are typically slower than wired LAN speeds. Depending on where
you are in the US, a "fast" download speed might be 50mbit, whereas wired LAN connections are typically 100mbit (for older hardware) or 1Gbit for newer hardware. The faster wired connection isn't going to make your internet service any faster. Of course, internet service depends on where you are - I've heard some cities have faster internet service available (probably at higher cost).

i have datastream on wifi and nobody drops. i'd get an alert from teamviewer if it lost connection, too. it's a solid connection.

if i were you, i'd get a real nice router instead of those contraptions.

I actually have a fairly nice router. I suppose the wifi would be fairly stable; I'm just not sure I trust it to be a 100% stable connection.

Nightfox

Re: Powerline Ethernet adapters
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Sun Jun 21 2015 18:17:26

http://www.amazon.com/Powerline-Gigabit-Adapter-Through-Starter/dp/
B00EPGHHSS/

I bought that same kit back in October. I get about 200Mbps through-it, which is a big improvement over the old netgear PLN adapters I had (10Mbps?) and better than the 802.11g bridge I was using.

I'd hope for a faster connection, but I suppose that's not too bad. One thing I use my BBS machine for sometimes is streaming video to my TV, and I've been used to copying video files to my BBS machine at gigabit speeds. Going down to 200Mbps would be quite a drop. (The motivator for this change for me will be that I'm moving soon.)

I'd like to keep my BBS machine and my main desktop on a wired network
connection. Maybe my TV/video player as well, to help with streaming
video on my network, if a powerline adapter would offer more speed
than wi-fi.

802.11ac is theoretically faster, but it depends on range, isolation, and interference. The throughput you get with PLN depends on "stuff" too. I use combinations of Ethernet (mostly Gb), 802.11n (5GHz and 2.4GHz), 802.11g (bridged) and the ZyXel PLN adapters you referenced above.

Perhaps I'll also look into getting an 802.11ac router for the speed. For the range, 802.11n already has a fairly good range, and hopefully 'ac' would have at least as good or better range.

Nightfox

Re: Powerline Ethernet adapters
By: Nightfox to Mro on Sun Jun 21 2015 06:36 pm

Wired connections tend to only be faster when copying data in your own home network rather than downloading from the internet, since home internet connections are typically slower than wired LAN speeds. Depending on where you are in the US, a "fast" download speed might be 50mbit, whereas wired LAN connections are typically 100mbit (for older hardware) or 1Gbit for

yeah i left out that i download to a network drive. then it processes the movies or tv and sorts them.

I actually have a fairly nice router. I suppose the wifi would be fairly stable; I'm just not sure I trust it to be a 100% stable connection.

you could always run tests on it.

logon to an irc server from that computer and then see later if you lost connections.
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Re: Powerline Ethernet adapters
By: Mro to Nightfox on Sun Jun 21 2015 12:37 pm

or you can do like me and drill holes in the floors!

Likely to keep the moonites from attacking.

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Re: Powerline Ethernet adapters
By: Mro to Nightfox on Sun Jun 21 2015 07:54 pm

if i were you, i'd get a real nice router instead of those contraptions.

And a rocket so you could be the first man on the moon.

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Re: Re: Powerline Ethernet adapters
By: Nightfox to Khelair on Sun Jun 21 2015 07:43:43

Thanks for the info. I've also heard elsewhere that the wiring makes a difference - Specifically, I've heard from one person's experience that they seem to work best when both/all are plugged into outlets that are on the same circuit.

Oh I'm sure. I don't know much about the technology personally, but I can see the different feedback patterns across circuits making things more difficult. If you do end up needing more information, I'm pretty sure my roomie knows a bit about the protocol and optimizing the whole operation; I can probably coax him on here if it's about something that he cares enough about. :)

Yep, I'll still be in the same general area. :)

Cool. Much better than a long move. :)

Best wishes & good luck with the new haus!

-D/K

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Re: Re: Powerline Ethernet adapters
By: Khelair to Nightfox on Sun Jun 21 2015 22:11:56

Yep, I'll still be in the same general area. :)

Cool. Much better than a long move. :)

Best wishes & good luck with the new haus!

Thanks (or dankeschoen?) :)

Eric

Re: Re: Powerline Ethernet adapters
By: Nightfox to Khelair on Sun Jun 21 2015 07:43 am

Thanks for the info. I've also heard elsewhere that the wiring makes a difference - Specifically, I've heard from one person's experience that they seem to work best when both/all are plugged into outlets that are on the same circuit.

I live in a rural area in an old 1970s mobile home. I got 3 of these adapters because my wireless setup was ass and I wanted to see if it would work for my HT (I stream HD stuff to my tv), and I'm happy to report that for the most part a couple inexpensive 600mb adapters work great in my house. I actually get about 250-350mb speeds, and I'm considering replacing the wall outlets because mine are old and pretty loose, but even with my 1970's wiring and outlets, I get enough speed to consider it faster than my old wireness N connection.

Latency is lower than wireless as well, if you're a gamer that might matter.

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Re: Re: Powerline Ethernet adapters
By: Android8675 to Nightfox on Sun Jun 28 2015 07:15:55

I live in a rural area in an old 1970s mobile home. I got 3 of these adapters because my wireless setup was ass and I wanted to see if it would work for my HT (I stream HD stuff to my tv), and I'm happy to report that for the most part a couple inexpensive 600mb adapters work great in my house. I actually get about 250-350mb speeds, and I'm considering replacing the wall outlets because mine are old and pretty loose, but even with my 1970's wiring and outlets, I get enough speed to consider it faster than my old wireness N connection.

That's good that they're working for you.

Latency is lower than wireless as well, if you're a gamer that might matter.

Yeah, I like to play games, so I'd like to get the lowest latency as possible.

Nightfox

Re: Re: Powerline Ethernet adapters
By: Android8675 to Nightfox on Sun Jun 28 2015 07:15 am

I live in a rural area in an old 1970s mobile home. I got 3 of these adapters because my wireless setup was ass and I wanted to see if it would work for my HT

Glad to hear more success stories. I spent quite a bit of time trying to get WDS (wireless distribution system) working with 2 wireless routers to extend the range in my house. Using 2 routers running DD-WRT (with different chipsets) I could almost get it to work. With 2 identical routers and the same version of DD-WRT, it mostly worked, but was inconsistent, and I'd get speedtests in the 4-5 mbps range on the far end when the near end would test at 50 mbps.

I put a couple of powerline adapters in place, set the far end wireless
router to be an access point, turned off DHCP, gave it an IP address and pointed its' gateway to the near end, and it's been trouble-free ever since.

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