I don't share much about my work-life, but this milestone deserved a celebration:

I work in the autonomous vehicle (AV) industry at a company called Zoox and we've started running an employee shuttle service using our ground-up designed autonomous vehicle on public roads between company offices in Foster City and portions of the Stanford campus in California, and Las Vegas, Nevada.
https://youtu.be/OG5BKIudFJI
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Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Digital Man to All on Mon Jul 03 2023 12:59 pm

I don't share much about my work-life, but this milestone deserved a celebration:

I work in the autonomous vehicle (AV) industry at a company called Zoox and we've started running an employee shuttle service using our ground-up designed autonomous vehicle on public roads between company offices in Foster City and portions of the Stanford campus in California, and Las Vegas, Nevada. https://youtu.be/OG5BKIudFJI

That's pretty cool.
I've been hearing about self-driving cars for many years, and that other companies like Tesla have been working on it, and I don't think theirs are fully ready yet. This is the kind of thing that I can imagine could be difficult to work on, as I imagine there are always going to be unpredictable and unforseen scenarios for a self-driving vehicle.

Nightfox

Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Digital Man to All on Mon Jul 03 2023 12:59 pm

I don't share much about my work-life, but this milestone deserved a celebration:

I work in the autonomous vehicle (AV) industry at a company called Zoox and we've started running an employee shuttle service using our ground-up designed autonomous vehicle on public roads between company offices in Foster City and portions of the Stanford campus in California, and Las

you guys should test those things where i live (milwaukee).
lots of dangerous traffic
https://i.imgur.com/XXVF9Bj.png
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On 03 Jul 2023, Digital Man said the following...

I don't share much about my work-life, but this milestone deserved a celebration:
I work in the autonomous vehicle (AV) industry at a company called Zoox and we've started running an employee shuttle service using our
ground-up designed autonomous vehicle on public roads between company offices in Foster City and portions of the Stanford campus in
California, and Las Vegas, Nevada. https://youtu.be/OG5BKIudFJI

pretty slick man, congrats

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Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Digital Man to All on Mon Jul 03 2023 12:59 pm

I don't share much about my work-life, but this milestone deserved a celebra

I work in the autonomous vehicle (AV) industry at a company called Zoox and rd campus in California, and Las Vegas, Nevada.
https://youtu.be/OG5BKIudFJI

Super congrats! Hope your product sells well! :)

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Digital Man wrote to All <=-

I don't share much about my work-life, but this milestone
deserved a celebration:

I work in the autonomous vehicle (AV) industry at a company
called Zoox and we've started running an employee shuttle service
using our ground-up designed autonomous vehicle on public roads
between company offices in Foster City and portions of the
Stanford campus in California, and Las Vegas, Nevada. https://youtu.be/OG5BKIudFJI

That's awesome! Great idea to have the programmers be the test
riders... Hahaha that should make the public feel safer. ;-)



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Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Digital Man to All on Mon Jul 03 2023 12:59 pm

I work in the autonomous vehicle (AV) industry at a company called Zoox and we've started running an employee shuttle service using our ground-up designed autonomous vehicle on public roads between company offices in Foster City and portions of the Stanford campus in California, and Las Vegas, Nevada. https://youtu.be/OG5BKIudFJI

Looks pretty cool.

Any reservations during your trip(s)?


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Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Mon Jul 03 2023 01:35 pm

That's pretty cool.
I've been hearing about self-driving cars for many years, and that other companies like Tesla have been working on it, and I don't think theirs are

after rob's video, i got a video from another company and it was pretty funny.

it was freaking out about orange cones. they had to send 'roadside assistance' aka a real person to take over and drive because it stopped in the middle of the street several times.

it also ran away from roadside assistance twice.
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Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Digital Man to All on Mon Jul 03 2023 12:59 pm

I don't share much about my work-life, but this milestone deserved a celebration:

designed autonomous vehicle on public roads between company offices in Foster City and portions of the Stanford campus in California, and Las Vegas, Nevada. https://youtu.be/OG5BKIudFJI

Well, everyone needs 'something' to fill their time with, where no bbs's beckon. Sounds very interesting.


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Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Diamond Dave to Digital Man on Mon Jul 03 2023 05:34 pm

Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Digital Man to All on Mon Jul 03 2023 12:59 pm

I don't share much about my work-life, but this milestone deserved a celebra

I work in the autonomous vehicle (AV) industry at a company called Zoox and rd campus in California, and Las Vegas, Nevada. https://youtu.be/OG5BKIudFJI

Super congrats! Hope your product sells well! :)

The plans are to run a ride (robotaxi) service, not actually sell any product. You'll be able to hail a Zoox and get a ride, but you won't be able to "buy" one. :-)
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Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: deon to Digital Man on Tue Jul 04 2023 10:07 am

Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Digital Man to All on Mon Jul 03 2023 12:59 pm

I work in the autonomous vehicle (AV) industry at a company called Zoox and we've started running an employee shuttle service using our ground-up designed autonomous vehicle on public roads between company offices in Foster City and portions of the Stanford campus in California, and Las Vegas, Nevada. https://youtu.be/OG5BKIudFJI

Looks pretty cool.

Any reservations during your trip(s)?

Mine went perfectly, but if they didn't, I certainly couldn't go into any details. :-)
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On 2023-07-03, Digital Man <digital.man@vert.synchro.net> wrote:

I don't share much about my work-life, but this milestone deserved a celebration:

I work in the autonomous vehicle (AV) industry at a company called Zoox and we've started running an employee shuttle service using our ground-up designed autonomous vehicle on public roads between company offices in Foster City and portions of the Stanford campus in California, and Las Vegas, Nevada.
https://youtu.be/OG5BKIudFJI

If it's electric, it's one of the best alternatives to
the cancer generating machines from the 20th century.

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: anthk to Digital Man on Tue Jul 04 2023 03:25 am

https://youtu.be/OG5BKIudFJI

If it's electric, it's one of the best alternatives to
the cancer generating machines from the 20th century.

man we really need to do something about these bots.
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Digital Man wrote to All <=-

I work in the autonomous vehicle (AV) industry at a company called Zoox and we've started running an employee shuttle service using our
ground-up designed autonomous vehicle on public roads between company offices in Foster City and portions of the Stanford campus in
California, and Las Vegas, Nevada. https://youtu.be/OG5BKIudFJI

Sounds like an opportunity to port SyncTerm to the center console and
drive some BBS traffic while the passengers are riding in comfort! :)



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Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first ride
By: MRO to Digital Man on Mon Jul 03 2023 03:29 pm

Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Digital Man to All on Mon Jul 03 2023 12:59 pm

I don't share much about my work-life, but this milestone deserved a celebration:

I work in the autonomous vehicle (AV) industry at a company called Zoox a we've started running an employee shuttle service using our ground-up designed autonomous vehicle on public roads between company offices in Foster City and portions of the Stanford campus in California, and Las

you guys should test those things where i live (milwaukee).
lots of dangerous traffic
https://i.imgur.com/XXVF9Bj.png

5 years ago I was on a projrct at AM General in South Bend. The engineers in Auburn Hills were developing automated vehicles and used a conference on the West Point campus to demonstrate their progress with self driving cars. They set up several MV-1's to be autonomous and had them haul people around the campus.

The advantage of self drivng vehicles in war time is considerable.
Ambulances and ammo carriers, and trucks in convoys would see the benefit of taking a person out of danger.

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: anthk to Digital Man on Tue Jul 04 2023 03:25 am

If it's electric, it's one of the best alternatives to
the cancer generating machines from the 20th century.

Yes, all electric.
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Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first ride
By: Moondog to MRO on Tue Jul 04 2023 10:03 am

They set up several MV-1's to be autonomous and had them haul people around the campus.

The advantage of self drivng vehicles in war time is considerable. Ambulances and ammo carriers, and trucks in convoys would see the benefit of taking a person out of danger.

i would love to have all cars be self driving.
would be great to lay down and sleep on the way to work.

I think i would rather be in control in bad weather.
i also think cars should be built tougher. like a shock absorbing ring around them. there's so many accidents and deaths in my area.
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Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Digital Man to All on Mon Jul 03 2023 12:59:07

I work in the autonomous vehicle (AV) industry at a company called Zoox and we've started running an employee shuttle service using our ground-up designed autonomous vehicle on public roads between company offices in Foster City and portions of the Stanford campus in California, and Las Vegas, Nevada. https://youtu.be/OG5BKIudFJI

Very cool, congrats. I think college campuses are almost ideal for this kind of service vehicle. Similar for Vegas and even San Francisco... for the latter two, would almost prefer if you could park at the city edge, and only use vehicles like this, scooters, etc inside the city.


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On 04 Jul 2023, Moondog said the following...

The advantage of self drivng vehicles in war time is considerable. Ambulances and ammo carriers, and trucks in convoys would see the
benefit of taking a person out of danger.

wouldn't be surprised if we see UAV/drone catapult devices for that sort of thing in the future. like an eject button for the field

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That is pretty cool. I have a cousin who, before he retired, worked on AVs
at the University of Florida. Seems like during the time he was involved,
it was the military that was most interested in it.


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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: anthk to Digital Man on Tue Jul 04 2023 03:25:56

I work in the autonomous vehicle (AV) industry at a company called
Zoox and we've started running an employee shuttle service using our
...

If it's electric, it's one of the best alternatives to
the cancer generating machines from the 20th century.

Worth noting that a *LOT* of electricity is generated from fossil fuels, and the efficiency of gas powered cars is more than conversion to electricity.

I'm all for electric, and other fuel options, for transportation, but electric isn't a panacea. Also short of more nuclear plants, the efforts to go "all electric" largely won't work and will over-burden other sytems. Solar won't cut it alone, and neither will wind.


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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first ride
By: fusion to Moondog on Tue Jul 04 2023 21:09:00

wouldn't be surprised if we see UAV/drone catapult devices for that sort of thing in the future. like an eject button for the field

There's a medical organization (in Africa iirc) that is doing such a thing for delivery of medical supplies (organ transplant, extra blood, etc) to remote hospitals. They have a spring loaded launch platform (think crossbow) that will get the UAV up to speed at launch, and a net/catch platform for when it returns. This lets it be far more fuel effecient for the payload since most fuel is expended at takeoff and landing, this allows those two to be avoided altogether. In this way they're able to deliver limited emergencie supplies to multiple locations more effectively in under an hour.


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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first ride
By: Tracker1 to fusion on Sun Jul 09 2023 01:09 pm

Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first ride
By: fusion to Moondog on Tue Jul 04 2023 21:09:00

wouldn't be surprised if we see UAV/drone catapult devices for that sort of thing in the future. like an eject button for the field

There's a medical organization (in Africa iirc) that is doing such a thing for delivery of medical supplies (organ transplant, extra blood, etc) to remote hospitals. They have a spring loaded launch platform (think crossbow) that will get the UAV up to speed at launch, and a net/catch platform for when it returns. This lets it be far more fuel effecient for the payload since most fuel is expended at takeoff and landing, this allows those two to be avoided altogether. In this way they're able to deliver limited emergencie supplies to multiple locations more effectively in under an hour.

I think you're referring to Zipline: https://youtu.be/__lhaW_yizk
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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Tracker1 to anthk on Sun Jul 09 2023 01:04 pm

Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: anthk to Digital Man on Tue Jul 04 2023 03:25:56

I work in the autonomous vehicle (AV) industry at a company called
Zoox and we've started running an employee shuttle service using our
...

If it's electric, it's one of the best alternatives to
the cancer generating machines from the 20th century.

Worth noting that a *LOT* of electricity is generated from fossil fuels, and the efficiency of gas powered cars is more than conversion to electricity.

I'm all for electric, and other fuel options, for transportation, but

i worked at a company for over 17 that was involved in the oil industry, fracking and natural gas.

It's hard for people to understand and hard for me to fully explain it without typing up 5 pages, but oil is what makes the world go around. if we aren't using oil, societies across the world would collapse. the oil industry is so intertwined with everything humans do.

if we eliminated or even decreased our oil usuage it would affect us detrimentally in several ways.

We will never run out of oil and we could always develop more environmentally friendly ways of obtaining it and using it.
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Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first ride
By: Digital Man to deon on Mon Jul 03 2023 09:31 pm

Any reservations during your trip(s)?

Mine went perfectly, but if they didn't, I certainly couldn't go into any de

Like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCUYMM6pABw

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: MRO to Tracker1 on Sun Jul 09 2023 04:34 pm

We will never run out of oil and we could always develop more environmentally friendly ways of obtaining it and using it.

How is it that we'll never run out of oil? I'd always thought it was a finite resource, like everything else. I'd heard that the oil supply comes from animals that have long died, and there's only so much of that available. I've looked it up online and saw that there are estimates that our supply of fossil fuels may run out in about 50 years.

Nightfox

Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Tracker1 to anthk on Sun Jul 09 2023 01:04 pm

Worth noting that a *LOT* of electricity is generated from fossil fuels, and the efficiency of gas powered cars is more than conversion to electricity.

I'm all for electric, and other fuel options, for transportation, but electric isn't a panacea. Also short of more nuclear plants, the efforts to go "all electric" largely won't work and will over-burden other sytems. Solar won't cut it alone, and neither will wind.

That's true now, but I'm sure the technology will continue to improve. I imagine we may eventually find a way to make it more efficient. Like any resource, there's only so much fossil fuel.

Nightfox

Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Nightfox to MRO on Mon Jul 10 2023 10:36 am

Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: MRO to Tracker1 on Sun Jul 09 2023 04:34 pm

We will never run out of oil and we could always develop more environmentally friendly ways of obtaining it and using it.

How is it that we'll never run out of oil? I'd always thought it was a finite resource, like everything else. I'd heard that the oil supply comes from animals that have long died, and there's only so much of that available. I've looked it up online and saw that there are estimates that our supply of fossil fuels may run out in about 50 years.

Nightfox

we are finding new sources of oil all the time. some of them quite huge.
and we actually have tons and tons of oil wells that we capped because they dont produce tons of oil. abolutely our fossil fuels will not run out in 50 years.

russia has enough oil for 150 years. we dont even know if they have more sources that can be tapped. venezuela has over 1000 years of oil left. that's just what they know about.

that's without factoring in new found sources, and natural gas and shale oil we can frak. we have TONS of oil.

man has onlyh existed for 200-300k years. we will stop existing before our fossil fuels do.

i am 46 and i know you are a bit younger and you have been fed the same climate bullshit i have. it's all bullshit.
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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Nightfox to Tracker1 on Mon Jul 10 2023 10:40 am

other sytems. Solar won't cut it alone, and neither will wind.

That's true now, but I'm sure the technology will continue to improve. I imagine we may eventually find a way to make it more efficient. Like any resource, there's only so much fossil fuel.

people want to get paid. we cant transition to something cheap.
not that electric vehicles would be cheaper or use less resources!

we have enough fossil fuels to outlast the human race
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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Nightfox to MRO on Mon Jul 10 2023 10:36:32

We will never run out of oil and we could always develop more
environmentally friendly ways of obtaining it and using it.

How is it that we'll never run out of oil? I'd always thought it was a finite resource, like everything else. I'd heard that the oil supply comes from animals that have long died, and there's only so much of that available. I've looked it up online and saw that there are estimates that our supply of fossil fuels may run out in about 50 years.

We can make more... we use a lot for food, but we also use a lot of oil that is grown for machining and fuel as well. It's possible that crude oil can run out in the next century or so, but that doesn't preclude other sources.


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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Nightfox to Tracker1 on Mon Jul 10 2023 10:40:33

That's true now, but I'm sure the technology will continue to improve. I imagine we may eventually find a way to make it more efficient. Like any resource, there's only so much fossil fuel.

We already have the technology... nuclear power. It's not dependent on the weather, or having visibility to the sun, so it can operate 24/7 without issue, and produces a small fraction of the waste that fossil fuel power plants generate by orders of magnitude. Safety is a major concern there, but at least in the US, we have a *LOT* of inland locations that are very geo stable that can be used for it. The legacy fossil fuel industry doesn't want nuclear though. And "green" sources won't provide enough around the clock coverage.


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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Tracker1 to Nightfox on Wed Jul 12 2023 02:44 pm

That's true now, but I'm sure the technology will continue to
improve. I imagine we may eventually find a way to make it more

plants generate by orders of magnitude. Safety is a major concern there, but at least in the US, we have a *LOT* of inland locations that are very geo stable that can be used for it. The legacy fossil fuel industry

I live on Long Island. The Long Island Lighting Company known as LILCO now defuct began building a Nuclear powerplant 10 miles from my home. After protests and court hearings the plant was shut down and dismantled. There was no way to safely evacuate everyone off the Island should a disaster occur. I'm all for nuclear power plants as long as they are hundreds of miles from the nearest town and the roads can accomidate a major evacuation should disaster strike.
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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Tracker1 to anthk on Sun Jul 09 2023 01:04 pm

I'm all for electric, and other fuel options, for transportation, but electr > er will wind.

Exactly.

My home is self-sufficient to the point we cut off from the power grid due to the fact they developped chronic overvoltage, and we have been off-grid since early this year.

I looked into the economics of getting an electric car due to the fact I have electricity to spare.

Fat chance.

You may fill a tennis field with solar and still not generate electricity enough to charge a car quickyly. Then there is the fact manufacturers and sellers themselves don t trust their tech that much and try to have you opt outof warranties/maintenance contracts in exchange of heavy discounts.

If a guy like me who generates twice as much electricity as a house needs cannot justify the purchase of an electric vehicle, nobody can, period.

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Nightfox to MRO on Mon Jul 10 2023 10:36 am

Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: MRO to Tracker1 on Sun Jul 09 2023 04:34 pm

We will never run out of oil and we could always develop more environmentally friendly ways of obtaining it and using it.

How is it that we'll never run out of oil? I'd always thought it was a fini > saw that there are estimates that our supply of fossil fuels may run out in >
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We have already reached peak oil and peak coal.

It is not that we are going to run out. What we are going to see is fuel (and energy, since renewables are built using fuel and oil derived products for the most part) get progressively more expensive until common people cannot afford it anymore.

You can bet the government will have a healthy oil reserve while common people tries to stay warm burning newspapers at home.

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Arelor to Nightfox on Thu Jul 13 2023 12:00 pm

We have already reached peak oil and peak coal.

It is not that we are going to run out. What we are going to see is fuel (and energy, since renewables are built using fuel and oil derived products

no, we don't know what the peak is. there can always be new reserves that are discovered.
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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Arelor to Tracker1 on Thu Jul 13 2023 11:42 am

If a guy like me who generates twice as much electricity as a house needs cannot justify the purchase of an electric vehicle, nobody can, period.

Dude I dunno what kind of numbers you're running.. My EV's capacity is 62kWh, which costs me about $4.98 using power company power. That's from 0 to 100%. Yeah, I use the superslow charger that came with the car, so it takes a couple days (so as to stay within the lower priced power time, otherwise it would take less than one day to go from 0 to 100% on the slowest charger, and half the time with a proper 15A charger). With this capacity giving me 230 mile driving range, though, I don't ever have to charge from 0 to 100. If I did, I'd go down to the mall or nearby DC/FC (fast charging) station and it'd be done in an hour or so.

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Phigan to Arelor on Fri Jul 14 2023 08:55 am

Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Arelor to Tracker1 on Thu Jul 13 2023 11:42 am

If a guy like me who generates twice as much electricity as a house needs > > cannot justify the purchase of an electric vehicle, nobody can, period.

Dude I dunno what kind of numbers you're running.. My EV's capacity is 62kWh > which costs me about $4.98 using power company power. That's from 0 to 100%. > Yeah, I use the superslow charger that came with the car, so it takes a coup > days (so as to stay within the lower priced power time, otherwise it would t > less than one day to go from 0 to 100% on the slowest charger, and half the
time with a proper 15A charger). With this capacity giving me 230 mile drivi > range, though, I don't ever have to charge from 0 to 100. If I did, I'd go d > to the mall or nearby DC/FC (fast charging) station and it'd be done in an h > or so.

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62kwh is nearly a week worth of supply for a home here. I mention it just in order for people to have some perspective.

My house uses up to 12 kwh per day (because we use a whole lot of electric power for water supplies since we operate our own preasure groups). We typically have an excess of 15 kwh per day with our solar arrays.

It would take more than 4 days to charge an EV battery like yours using excess power. During the most favorable time of the year. Asuming power lines capable of transmiting infinite power (ie. battery charges as fast as the solar array allows).

Unfortunately, things don't work that way because if your domestic wiring is parepared to withstand 21 amps tops (keep in mind Spanish lines work at 230 V) and you regularly have loads of 13 at home, that leaves you with 8 useful amps for charging your EV. So chances are it is gonna take more unless you do some reworking on your power supplies.

I do two job trips per week (and that is my only vehicle use for the most part). I would need about 30 kwh to fulfill my transport needs for the week, which
is doable some times of the year, but not most of the year.

So:

Buying an EV here means you pay a HUGE upfrong cost for a vehicle whose seller does not trust - see what I mention about them trying you to give up your warranty rights. Then you need some heavy rewiring at home. And even then, no matter you have a power plant capable of sustaining two homes in your horseyard, you will end up buying power from the grid half of the year because the car just eats so much electricity - 62 kwh are like 11 bucks here.

But scrap that.

Rough estimate is I need 30 bucks in fossile fuels for my job trips. With an EVI would need 5*. An EV saves you 25 bucks per week, which is great. That's 13
000 total savings if you consider a car will last 10 years. The problem is EVs in the market segment of my combustion car are too far from the price mark so saving 13k or 14 k or 20k won't make it. And that is waaaay before we consider maintenance and insurance costs.

* Asuming I am a regular person with no self-sufficient power production.
If I had an infinite electric power supply I would save more than 15k in the car's lifetime and still fail to recoup my investment.

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Arelor to Phigan on Fri Jul 14 2023 08:14 pm

62kwh is nearly a week worth of supply for a home here. I mention it just in order for people to have some perspective.

That isn't perspective because that's very much out of the ordinary. Even on days that I don't charge my car, during the summer right now, my average is about 110-120kWh PER DAY, not per week.

My house uses up to 12 kwh per day (because we use a whole lot of electric power for water supplies since we operate our own preasure groups). We typically have an excess of 15 kwh per day with our solar arrays.

You have some optimized shit which is NOT the norm for everyone else.

Unfortunately, things don't work that way because if your domestic wiring is parepared to withstand 21 amps tops (keep in mind Spanish lines work at 230 V) and you regularly have loads of 13 at home, that leaves you with 8 useful amps for charging your EV. So chances are it is gonna take more unless you

In the US we use 7A and 15A circuits.. I'm using a crappy 7A charger. It works fine. On days that I know I need to make a long trip, I make sure to keep the car plugged in on the days prior to that. No big deal.

Buying an EV here means you pay a HUGE upfrong cost for a vehicle whose seller does not trust - see what I mention about them trying you to give up your warranty rights. Then you need some heavy rewiring at home. And even

You can get a decent EV here for $30k USD. That's the same price as the average ICE car. It costs me about $140/mo to gas up my car that gets approx 25mpg. It's about $20/mo to charge the EV. After 3 years, that's like the car cost $4k more.. and if I were to go trade it in, like a lot of people do after 3 years with a car, I'd probably get less money/value for the ICE vehicle than the electric one.

Also, I did absolutely zero rewiring at home.

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Tracker1 wrote to Nightfox <=-

We already have the technology... nuclear power. It's not dependent on the weather, or having visibility to the sun, so it can operate 24/7 without issue, and produces a small fraction of the waste that fossil
fuel power plants generate by orders of magnitude. Safety is a major concern there, but at least in the US, we have a *LOT* of inland
locations that are very geo stable that can be used for it. The legacy fossil fuel industry doesn't want nuclear though. And "green" sources won't provide enough around the clock coverage.

Battery backed green sources are going to play more of a role. I work
for a company that provides battery-backed solar storage with an
intelligent system that sits behind the meter that takes historical
usage, weather forecasts and tariff information to determine whether to
run on the solar power, charge your batteries or sell the power back to
the grid. I'm pretty sure TeslaWalls do the same thing, but these
systems are enterprise-sized. In some cases, they're used by
municipalities in front of the meter.

The reliance on water cooling for nuclear seems to drive putting them
near oceans - otherwise, why put them in a place where they're
susceptible to earthquake-driven tsunamis and storm surges?





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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Phigan to Arelor on Sat Jul 15 2023 06:29 am

You can get a decent EV here for $30k USD. That's the same price as the aver > e to go trade it in, like a lot of people do after 3 years with a car, I'd p >
Also, I did absolutely zero rewiring at home.

Well, yeah, if you get an electric vehicle for the same price you would get a regular car in the same market segment then you can justify the purchase.

And if you are content with a crappy charger, you need no rewiring. The
price of no rewiring is living with a crappy charger XD

110 kwh per day for a residential power supply is nuts.

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Phigan to Arelor on Sat Jul 15 2023 06:29 am

and if I were to go trade it in, like a lot
of people do after 3 years with a car, I'd probably get less money/value for the ICE vehicle than the electric one.

Do a lot of people really trade in their car after only 3 years? I've known maybe one person who has done that.. I'd have a hard time believing that's something a lot of people would do. You'd probably have constant debt, either paying a lease or a loan for a car all the time. Cars last a long time, so I'd think it would make more sense to buy a car and keep it for a long time. And when you pay it off (either by buying it outright or paying off a loan), you no longer have a debt for the car; it's just fuel and maintenance after that.

Nightfox

On 15 Jul 2023, Arelor said the following...

110 kwh per day for a residential power supply is nuts.

yeah 110 kW h would be way above average in the US

3/4 of the US uses ~10500 kW h a year

~29 kW h a day..

the other quarter (US-South) use almost 16000 kW h on average a year.. closer to 44 kW h a day (A/C those extra few months?)

https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/use-of-energy/electricity-use-in-homes.php

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On 15 Jul 2023, Nightfox said the following...

Do a lot of people really trade in their car after only 3 years?

with some napkin math i estimated around $100k over 30 years spent *extra* on leasing a car (10 new cars total) vs two new cars over the same timespan.

if you were a doctor and just lazy as shit (or busy) then it might make sense.

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Tracker1 on Thu Jul 13 2023 07:41:00

Battery backed green sources are going to play more of a role. I work
for a company that provides battery-backed solar storage with an intelligent system that sits behind the meter that takes historical
usage, weather forecasts and tariff information to determine whether to run on the solar power, charge your batteries or sell the power back to the grid. I'm pretty sure TeslaWalls do the same thing, but these
systems are enterprise-sized. In some cases, they're used by municipalities in front of the meter.

How green are those batteries though? Lead acid or LI? How long to they last, and how much does it cost to replace them, reincurring said environmental impact?


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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: fusion to Nightfox on Sat Jul 15 2023 11:41 pm

On 15 Jul 2023, Nightfox said the following...

Do a lot of people really trade in their car after only 3 years?

with some napkin math i estimated around $100k over 30 years spent *extra* o >
if you were a doctor and just lazy as shit (or busy) then it might make sens >

The clinic I work for has some vehicles under lease, because getting tax deductions for expenses related to leased vehicles is easier and safer than getting leases for vehicles you own in Spain.

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Nightfox to Phigan on Sat Jul 15 2023 01:47 pm

and if I were to go trade it in, like a lot
of people do after 3 years with a car, I'd probably get less money/value for the ICE vehicle than the electric one.

Do a lot of people really trade in their car after only 3 years? I've known maybe one person who has done that.. I'd have a hard time believing that's

talk to a used car salesman at a non pressure car sales company.
there are many well off people who buy a car, drive it for 10k miles and trade it in.

something a lot of people would do. You'd probably have constant debt, either paying a lease or a loan for a car all the time. Cars last a long

constant debt can be a good thing if you are in good standing.

time, so I'd think it would make more sense to buy a car and keep it for a long time. And when you pay it off (either by buying it outright or paying off a loan), you no longer have a debt for the car; it's just fuel and maintenance after that.

my suv has been paid off for years .it's doing nothing for me credit wise. it's off the radar. my sedan does a lot more because it's on a low interest loan and shows i pay off on time.
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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Jul 16 2023 05:52 am

constant debt can be a good thing if you are in good standing.

my suv has been paid off for years .it's doing nothing for me credit wise. it's off the radar. my sedan does a lot more because it's on a low interest loan and shows i pay off on time.

Having a lot of debt at the same time might not be good for you either, I don't think.. Also, the longer you keep your debt, the more interest you'll end up paying.

Nightfox

The reliance on water cooling for nuclear seems to drive putting them
near oceans - otherwise, why put them in a place where they're
susceptible to earthquake-driven tsunamis and storm surges?

There are also several near large lakes, i.e. the Great Lakes.

Several years ago, they were planning to build one on the Ohio River in Southern Indiana. That plan went South when public opinion came out
strongly against it (there may have also been some financial issues for the company building it... I only remember the public outcry).


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How green are those batteries though? Lead acid or LI? How long to
they last, and how much does it cost to replace them, reincurring said environmental impact?

Lead acid, if I'm not mistaken. The service and warranty period is 10
years.



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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Nightfox to MRO on Sun Jul 16 2023 07:56 am

Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Jul 16 2023 05:52 am

constant debt can be a good thing if you are in good standing.

my suv has been paid off for years .it's doing nothing for me credit wise. it's off the radar. my sedan does a lot more because it's on a low interest loan and shows i pay off on time.

Having a lot of debt at the same time might not be good for you either, I don't think.. Also, the longer you keep your debt, the more interest you'll end up paying.

i didnt say a lot of debt.
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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Arelor to Phigan on Sat Jul 15 2023 10:57 am

110 kwh per day for a residential power supply is nuts.

This is Arizona. We have air conditioning and a pool (which means a pump that runs for 12 hours a day). That stuff adds a bit.

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Nightfox to Phigan on Sat Jul 15 2023 01:47 pm

Do a lot of people really trade in their car after only 3 years? I've known maybe one person who has done that.. I'd have a hard time believing that's something a lot of people would do. You'd probably have constant debt, either paying a lease or a loan for a car all the time. Cars last a long time, so I'd think it would make more sense to buy a car and keep it for a

Yeah, a lot of people trade in their cars every 3-4 years. Some people like leasing so they don't have to deal with the buying/selling part.. some people probably get 5+ year loans to have smaller payments and then just keep trading at 3 years. You're always in a nicer, newer, more dependable car and you spend less on maintenance and various other things that go wrong 5+ years down the line.

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Nightfox to MRO on Sun Jul 16 2023 07:56 am

Having a lot of debt at the same time might not be good for you either, I do >
Nightfox

I have been thinking about this myself.

I think if your government sucks it is a good thing to have debt because your wealth looks smaller in accounting books. If you have too much of something here you are likely to hit boosted tiers of tax collection.

Meanwhile, if you buy a machine with money you don't have (debt) and use the machine for generating money, and then spend the money in beer and hookers, as far as the tax men goes they can't apply penaulties to your savings - and yes, those things exist.

You won't have much in savings, but hey, they were gonna steal them from you anyway, so maybe living on debt is better XD

It seems to be a trend with medium sized firms here. They do everything on debt. If they have surplus money they buy something and use it as a guarantee to get a loan on it. There is a hospital around here that had about 30k EUR in its bank account because everything they have is either debt or used as a guarantee for debt. Even the beds have been used as guarantee for getting more debt. I guess it is great for them because their balances must be so tight the vampires from the tax agency can't mug them but for pocket change...

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Phigan to Nightfox on Sun Jul 16 2023 12:35 pm

Do a lot of people really trade in their car after only 3 years? I've

Yeah, a lot of people trade in their cars every 3-4 years. Some people like leasing so they don't have to deal with the buying/selling part.. some peopl

Leasing every 3 years is very popular. No matter how you cut it your new shiny car loses it's value a lot year by year. By the time you own it is when the mechanical problems begin. However I sold my son a Mazda III 16 years ago and he's still driving it trouble free and payment free.

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: HusTler to Phigan on Mon Jul 17 2023 07:02 am

Leasing every 3 years is very popular. No matter how you cut it your new shiny car loses it's value a lot year by year. By the time you own it is when the mechanical problems begin. However I sold my son a Mazda III 16 years ago and he's still driving it trouble free and payment free.

I'd heard Mazdas are good cars. I had been thinking about buying a newer car for a little while and recently bought a Mazda 3 myeslf.

Nightfox

Phigan wrote to Nightfox <=-

Yeah, a lot of people trade in their cars every 3-4 years. Some people like leasing so they don't have to deal with the buying/selling part..

Makes for a lot of 3 year old lease returns available on the used
market. I bought a 3 year old MDX for my wife, got a great deal on it.
Just over 30K, Honda guts are just barely broken in.

some people probably get 5+ year loans to have smaller payments and
then just keep trading at 3 years. You're always in a nicer, newer,
more dependable car and you spend less on maintenance and various other things that go wrong 5+ years down the line.

Auto dealers are getting attention for rolling existing loan balances
into new car loans - have 2 years left on the note but want a new car?
Open a new loan and roll the balance into it, and you end up grossly
overpaying for a car and interest.

Goes to show the auto industry is as much about loan generation as it
is about selling cars.



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HusTler wrote to Phigan <=-

Leasing every 3 years is very popular. No matter how you cut it your
new shiny car loses it's value a lot year by year. By the time you own
it is when the mechanical problems begin. However I sold my son a Mazda III 16 years ago and he's still driving it trouble free and payment
free.

There was a crazy lease deal on the Chevy Volt a couple of years ago.
$99/month for a 3 year lease? A couple of people I know paid $3600 plus
fees, drove off with the car, and got 3 years of driving paid up-front.

I was intrigued, but I drive a lot more than 10K/month, which most
leases charge for mileage above and beyond that.

Drove, that is. Now that I'm working remotely, I'd easily fit into one
of those leases.



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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Nightfox to HusTler on Mon Jul 17 2023 08:44 am

III 16 years ago and he's still driving it trouble free and payment free.

I'd heard Mazdas are good cars. I had been thinking about buying a newer car for a little while and recently bought a Mazda 3 myeslf.

if you can tollerate how annoying he is, check out scotty kilmer on youtube.
he will tell you what cars last forever.
he also saved me a lot of money when my aframe bushings were making noise
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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon Jul 17 2023 11:48 am

if you can tollerate how annoying he is, check out scotty kilmer on youtube. he will tell you what cars last forever.
he also saved me a lot of money when my aframe bushings were making noise

I've seen some of his videos on YouTube. He did some videos about Mazdas that I had seen.

Nightfox

Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Phigan on Mon Jul 17 2023 07:23 am

Goes to show the auto industry is as much about loan generation as it
is about selling cars.

If not more so! They really only want to sell to you if you are financing.

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Phigan wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

If not more so! They really only want to sell to you if you are
financing.

I bought a lease return from a dealer a couple of years ago. Kudos to
them for not marking their cars up, but if you paid with any kind of
check they put a 10-day hold on the car for the check to clear.

If you financed the car, they'd let the car go that day.

I've thought about buying a car through them, but I'd finance it and pay
it out in 30 days. Negotiate hard on the price, as they're more willing
to do when financing.



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Nightfox wrote to HusTler <=-

I'd heard Mazdas are good cars. I had been thinking about buying a
newer car for a little while and recently bought a Mazda 3 myeslf.

They're fun to drive - mechanics assumption is that they won't last as
long as a Toyota or Honda, but are good for 100K or so.

That being said, I have a 2011 CX-9 with 140K and it's doing fine -
bought it at 105K and replaced fluids and brakes. No repairs yet. It's
huge, but fast and fun to drive.



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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Nightfox to HusTler on Mon Jul 17 2023 08:44 am

I'd heard Mazdas are good cars. I had been thinking about buying a newer car for a little while and recently bought a Mazda 3 myeslf.

The Mazda III is a great car for the price. You'll be driving it forever. Just keep up with the oil changes, brakes, tires and like my son, you'll be still driving it 20 years from now.


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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Tue Jul 18 2023 07:24 am

I'd heard Mazdas are good cars. I had been thinking about buying a
newer car for a little while and recently bought a Mazda 3 myeslf.

They're fun to drive - mechanics assumption is that they won't last as long as a Toyota or Honda, but are good for 100K or so.

That being said, I have a 2011 CX-9 with 140K and it's doing fine -
bought it at 105K and replaced fluids and brakes. No repairs yet. It's huge, but fast and fun to drive.

100k actually sounds to me like a short lifespan for a car.. I often hear of cars (especially the reliable brands) going farther than that, and I thought I'd heard Mazda was up there as one of the more reliable brands.

Nightfox

Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Hustler to Nightfox on Tue Jul 18 2023 08:32 am

Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Nightfox to HusTler on Mon Jul 17 2023 08:44 am

I'd heard Mazdas are good cars. I had been thinking about buying a newer car for a little while and recently bought a Mazda 3 myeslf.

The Mazda III is a great car for the price. You'll be driving it forever. Just keep up with the oil changes, brakes, tires and like my son, you'll be still driving it 20 years from now.

that's how those asian cars are now.
and with those alliances they form, they share all the technology.
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Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

100k actually sounds to me like a short lifespan for a car.. I often
hear of cars (especially the reliable brands) going farther than that,
and I thought I'd heard Mazda was up there as one of the more reliable brands.

Scotty Kilmer (a YouTube Channel guy, others here have seen him) made
the comment when he drove a Mazda cx-5 that it was fun to drive and
nicely built, but if you want a car guaranteed to go over 100K miles,
get a Toyota or Honda. Take him with a grain of salt.

I'd heard other people say the same - whether it's true or not who
knows. As long as you change your fluids according to schedule, I think
most modern cars will last over 100K.



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Hustler wrote to Nightfox <=-

The Mazda III is a great car for the price. You'll be driving it
forever. Just keep up with the oil changes, brakes, tires and like my
son, you'll be still driving it 20 years from now.

One thing all Mazdas seem to have in common - they're all FUN TO DRIVE.
I test-drove a Mazda 3, loved it. My AWD CX-9, while it's a troop
hauler, is fast and feels like a much lighter car.



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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Hustler on Wed Jul 19 2023 08:14 am

One thing all Mazdas seem to have in common - they're all FUN TO DRIVE.
I test-drove a Mazda 3, loved it. My AWD CX-9, while it's a troop
hauler, is fast and feels like a much lighter car.

I feel like my Mazda3 is fairly responsive with its power and turning and overall handling. Mine doesn't have the turbo engine, but I think it has decent horsepower and torque. It also came with low-profile tires and what feels like a relatively stiff suspension from the factory - I've noticed I feel more of the road with this car than my last car. Mazda's ad slogan used to be "zoom zoom" - I've noticed they don't use that anymore, but I have the feeling they still want to make their cars sporty and fun to drive.

I've often thought a Mazda Miata would be fun to drive. Their current Miata looks really nice, though it would have been about $8000 or $1000 more expensive than my 3.

Nightfox

Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Wed Jul 19 2023 07:48 am

nicely built, but if you want a car guaranteed to go over 100K miles,
get a Toyota or Honda. Take him with a grain of salt.

I'd heard other people say the same - whether it's true or not who
knows. As long as you change your fluids according to schedule, I think
most modern cars will last over 100K.

Yeah, most modern cars will get you to 100k and just over, but that's probably the point that you want to think about getting rid of it. With 6-cylinder cars, it's one thing... but those are few and far between, now! Most brands of those will last a long while. But a 4-cylinder, ONLY trust Honda and Toyota at over 100k miles. Not sure if Nissan or Kia make it into that list yet. An American one? Forget about it! Even European ones. Nobody makes a good 4-cyl like Japan, and specifically those two companies.

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Phigan to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Jul 19 2023 01:24 pm

Most brands of those will last a long while. But a 4-cylinder, ONLY trust Honda and Toyota at over 100k miles. Not sure if Nissan or Kia make it into that list yet. An American one? Forget about it! Even European ones.

I had a 2002 Camry SE with the 6 cylinder, and in retrospect I should have gotten the 4-cylinder. The 4-cylinder lived up to the nickname "4-banger, but the 4 cylinder has a timing chain instead of a belt, 25 more horsepower less, and something like 4 mpg more.

The SE was great, though - stiffer suspension and bigger wheels made all the difference. I put Sumitomo AS/P03 tires on it, and with those it was fun to throw around curves.

Neither my Camry or my Prius have *ever* left me on the road, stranded. Knock on wood...
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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Jul 19 2023 01:30 pm

I've often thought a Mazda Miata would be fun to drive. Their current Miata looks really nice, though it would have been about $8000 or $1000 more expensive

My parents had the first generation Miata - it was designed to look and feel like an old roadster, and they nailed it. From the suspension and the exhaust note, it felt like my old Fiat 124 Spyder. I think they started losing that over the life of the model.

Ironic, since Fiat came out with a refreshed 124 Spyder, and based it on the new Miata!

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Wed Jul 19 2023 07:19 pm

My parents had the first generation Miata - it was designed to look and feel like an old roadster, and they nailed it. From the suspension and the exhaust note, it felt like my old Fiat 124 Spyder. I think they started losing that over the life of the model.

Ironic, since Fiat came out with a refreshed 124 Spyder, and based it on the new Miata!

Interesting.. I didn't realize that. I'd heard the Miata may not have had a whole lot of power, but it was meant to be fun to drive.

Nightfox

Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Phigan to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Jul 19 2023 01:24 pm

Yeah, most modern cars will get you to 100k and just over, but that's probably the point that you want to think about getting rid of it. With

I remember hearing that about older cars sometimes (with exceptions), but I thought newer cars would generally last longer.

Most brands of those will last a long while. But a 4-cylinder, ONLY trust Honda and Toyota at over 100k miles. Not sure if Nissan or Kia make it into that list yet. An American one? Forget about it! Even European ones. Nobody makes a good 4-cyl like Japan, and specifically those two companies.

I thought Volkswagen at least used to make a lot of good 4-cylinder cars. I had still seen a lot of their 80s and 90s cars on the road well into the late 2000s. I know someone who had a 1980 VW Scirocco, which had a 4-cylinder engine and was still going in 1998 when he decided to sell it. And in 2004, I bought a used 1988 VW Fox, which had a very similar 4-cylinder engine and it was a good running car.

Nightfox

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I've often thought a Mazda Miata would be fun to drive. Their
current Miata looks really nice, though it would have been about
$8000 or $1000 more expensive than my 3.

I think they'll only sell you a Miata if you wear a man-bun and skinny
jeans.



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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Nightfox to Phigan on Wed Jul 19 2023 08:49 pm

Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Phigan to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Jul 19 2023 01:24 pm

Yeah, most modern cars will get you to 100k and just over, but that's probably the point that you want to think about getting rid of it. With

I remember hearing that about older cars sometimes (with exceptions), but I thought newer cars would generally last longer.

asian cars will last long. older asian cars seem to last for a very long time. i'm no car expert so i don't know if these benefitial designs were changed. they probably were, though.

had still seen a lot of their 80s and 90s cars on the road well into the late 2000s. I know someone who had a 1980 VW Scirocco, which had a 4-cylinder engine and was still going in 1998 when he decided to sell it. And in 2004, I bought a used 1988 VW Fox, which had a very similar 4-cylinder engine and it was a good running car.

i cant wait until the ptlosers all die off. and saturn cars. I hate seeing them.
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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Nightfox to Phigan on Wed Jul 19 2023 08:49 pm

I thought Volkswagen at least used to make a lot of good 4-cylinder cars. I had still seen a lot of their 80s and 90s cars on the road well into the lat

Yes, Volkswagen was what I was thinking about, too. Not that their cars and engines were bad, but they just weren't as consistently good as Honda's and Toyota's. There are plenty that have lasted, but also quite a few that have failed. I feel the same way about Mazda. It feels like a gamble.

I have a 1969 Volkswagen :)

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Wed Jul 19 2023 09:21 pm

I've often thought a Mazda Miata would be fun to drive. Their
current Miata looks really nice, though it would have been about
$8000 or $1000 more expensive than my 3.

I think they'll only sell you a Miata if you wear a man-bun and skinny jeans.

Eh? I get the joke, but at the same time, I don't.. Is there a stereotype with the Mazda Miata that I'm unaware of?

Nightfox

Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Phigan to Nightfox on Thu Jul 20 2023 04:54 am

Yes, Volkswagen was what I was thinking about, too. Not that their cars and engines were bad, but they just weren't as consistently good as Honda's and Toyota's. There are plenty that have lasted, but also quite a few that have failed. I feel the same way about Mazda. It feels like a gamble.

I have a 1969 Volkswagen :)

One time when I was at a car dealership, I heard one of the employees there say he thought Volkswagens were just bad cars, and he said something like "you know all those Volkswagens you see at the side of the road?" I was actually confused, because I've never seen significant numbers of Volkswagens stuck on the side of the road..

One time though, in 2006, I heard the New Beetle was being built at VW's Mexico plant and they were getting a lot of reports of quality issues, and they found out they weren't doing quality checks at the Mexico plant. And due to that, they had fired the plant manager there and VW was doing some re-organizing; I heard VW was moving more of their production back to their plant in Germany (and indeed, it seemed their 2006-2009 Rabbit (AKA Golf) being sold in the US were built at their Germany plant, whereas some of them in the past had been built at their Mexico plant, I believe).

Nightfox

Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

I've often thought a Mazda Miata would be fun to drive. Their
current Miata looks really nice, though it would have been about
$8000 or $1000 more expensive than my 3.

I think they'll only sell you a Miata if you wear a man-bun and skinny jeans.

Eh? I get the joke, but at the same time, I don't.. Is there a stereotype with the Mazda Miata that I'm unaware of?

Well, I've always thought there was, and am not even sure why. I did a
quick check and found these:

https://casualcarguide.com/top-6-mx-5-miata-stereotypes-why-theyre-wrong/

https://www.deftautoco.com/post/scenes-from-saturday-night

Probably just a random carry-over from the 80's... (90's?).

:-)



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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Nightfox to Phigan on Sat Jul 15 2023 01:47 pm

Do a lot of people really trade in their car after only 3 years? I've known maybe one person who has done that.. I'd have a hard time believing that's something a lot of people would do. You'd probably have constant debt,

It's not smart, in my opinion, but yes, a lot of people do just that. A lot of people *lease* their cars too. Have you noticed that automoative TV commercials never advertise the cost to *buy* a vehicle any more: they only advertise monthly (f)lease payments? It's crazy.
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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Thu Jul 20 2023 01:59 pm

Do a lot of people really trade in their car after only 3 years? I've
known maybe one person who has done that.. I'd have a hard time
believing that's something a lot of people would do. You'd probably
have constant debt,

It's not smart, in my opinion, but yes, a lot of people do just that. A lot of people *lease* their cars too. Have you noticed that automoative TV commercials never advertise the cost to *buy* a vehicle any more: they only advertise monthly (f)lease payments? It's crazy.

Yeah, I've noticed a lot of car commercials do do that.. I thought perhaps they may be trying to hide the actual cost of buying it, and putting out a number that sounds low.

Nightfox

On 20 Jul 2023, Phigan said the following...

Yes, Volkswagen was what I was thinking about, too. Not that their cars and engines were bad, but they just weren't as consistently good as Honda's and Toyota's. There are plenty that have lasted, but also quite
a few that have failed. I feel the same way about Mazda. It feels like a gamble.

i know the A1/A2 (rabbit/golf/jetta) engines well enough.. but first time around new, like my dad had when i was really young, his had electrical problems. i think that was common. with a handful of aftermarket parts, a slightly bigger alternator, etc. it's close to trivial to keep running. especially if you're not trying to make power with it (but then .. i duno how fun it is to build out a basic daily driver..)

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Nightfox to Phigan on Thu Jul 20 2023 08:37 am

re-organizing; I heard VW was moving more of their production back to their plant in Germany (and
indeed, it seemed their 2006-2009 Rabbit (AKA Golf) being sold in the US were built at their Germany plant, whereas some of them in the past had been built at
their Mexico plant, I believe).

VW had made quite a few cars in the 80s and 90s in Pennsylvania, but that plant closed in the late 90s. I had a 1977 Rabbit built in Germany, and later a US-built 1982, and they felt like completely different cars.

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: fusion to Phigan on Thu Jul 20 2023 08:58 pm

i know the A1/A2 (rabbit/golf/jetta) engines well enough.. but first time around

The old VW diesel engine was bulletproof. Change the oil, asjust the valves every 60K and it'd never quit. Rumor has it you'd need a new injector pump at 200K or so, but I never did.
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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Thu Jul 20 2023 01:59 pm

It's not smart, in my opinion, but yes, a lot of people do just that. A lot of people *lease* their cars too. Have you noticed that automoative TV commercials never advertise the cost to *buy* a vehicle any more: they only advertise monthly (f)lease payments? It's crazy.

I might actually do this for a couple reasons. I bought over two years ago new because the used cars I was looking at in that range were so inflated, the difference wasn't much. I like manual transmission and they are dwindling. So, although not the best idea, I might turn mine in and do this and I never thought I would. Each year I wait will be more depreciation of what I have and less available MTs.

Remains to be seen though.

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: The Lizard Master to Digital Man on Fri Jul 21 2023 08:33 am

difference wasn't much. I like manual transmission and they are dwindling. S although not the best idea, I might turn mine in and do this and I never

Which cars can you even get with manual transmission now? There are _never_ any on the dealer lots here. Or maybe I'm just not calling around enough :).
I would like one too!

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Hustler on Wed Jul 19 2023 08:14 am

One thing all Mazdas seem to have in common - they're all FUN TO DRIVE.

You want fun. Try the MX-5 Miata!


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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Phigan to The Lizard Master on Fri Jul 21 2023 06:18 am

Which cars can you even get with manual transmission now? There are _never_ any on the dealer lots here. Or maybe I'm just not calling around enough :). I would like one too!

pretty sure you have to special order it.
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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: fusion to Phigan on Thu Jul 20 2023 08:58 pm

i know the A1/A2 (rabbit/golf/jetta) engines well enough.. but first time around new, like my dad had when i was really young, his had electrical problems. i think that was common. with a handful of aftermarket parts, a slightly bigger alternator, etc. it's close to trivial to keep running. especially if you're not trying to make power with it (but then .. i duno how fun it is to build out a basic daily driver..)

I'd heard Volkswagen is known for electrical issues. My last car was a 2009 VW Rabbit (the US name for the Golf at the time). The only really annoying issue I had with it was that the taillight bulbs started to burn out relatively frequently (sometimes after a month, or after a few months). One thing that sucked was that in order to replace the taillight bulbs, there was a piece of plastic trunk liner in the back & bottom of the trunk that you had to detach and pull back on each side in order to get to the taillight housings to unscrew and pull them out. I eventually just left the trunk liner detached on each side so I could more easily replace the bulbs when needed. Also, in the process of doing that repeatedly, I ended up breaking off a couple of tabs inside the taillight housings, and it was easy to break some tabs holding the trunk liner in place as well. I'd think they would make it easier to replace the light bulbs, considering they burn out after a while.. The headlight bulbs were very easy to replace though.

Nightfox

Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Phigan to The Lizard Master on Fri Jul 21 2023 06:18 am

Which cars can you even get with manual transmission now? There are _never_ any on the dealer lots here. Or maybe I'm just not calling around enough :). I would like one too!

I've heard of a few - and often it seems to be the more 'sporty' models these days, where drivers might more strongly prefer a manual for the driving experience. I've seen it on some of the more 'sporty' models of Mazdas, Volkswagen GTI, etc.. And I think some car manufacturers let you do a custom order where you might be able to specify a manual transmission.

Nightfox

On 21 Jul 2023, Nightfox said the following...

2009 VW Rabbit (the US name for the Golf at the time). The only really annoying issue I had with it was that the taillight bulbs started to
burn out relatively frequently (sometimes after a month, or after a few months). One thing that sucked was that in order to replace the

sheesh ..

kind of sad really.. all the A1/Mk1 stuff used off the shelf bulbs for *everything*. they were available at nearly every gas station in the country. sometimes even the headlights (looking online the same entire bulb/lens assembly matches 39 makes and hundreds of models)

i'd say we went backwards as far as sustainability goes in that regard..

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Jul 16 2023 05:52 am

my suv has been paid off for years .it's doing nothing for me credit wise. it's off the radar. my sedan does a lot more because it's on a low interest loan and shows i pay off on time.

The whole credit rating system is a scam. Don't fall for it!
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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Digital Man to MRO on Fri Jul 21 2023 08:52 pm

Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Jul 16 2023 05:52 am

my suv has been paid off for years .it's doing nothing for me credit wise. it's off the radar. my sedan does a lot more because it's on a low interest loan and shows i pay off on time.

The whole credit rating system is a scam. Don't fall for it!

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: fusion to Nightfox on Fri Jul 21 2023 11:18 pm

2009 VW Rabbit (the US name for the Golf at the time). The only
really annoying issue I had with it was that the taillight bulbs

sheesh ..

kind of sad really.. all the A1/Mk1 stuff used off the shelf bulbs for *everything*. they were available at nearly every gas station in the country. sometimes even the headlights (looking online the same entire bulb/lens assembly matches 39 makes and hundreds of models)

i'd say we went backwards as far as sustainability goes in that regard..

My 2009 VW Rabbit used off-the-shelf bulbs, in that they were available at pretty much any auto parts store.. What do you mean about going backwards?

Nightfox

Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Interesting.. I didn't realize that. I'd heard the Miata may not have had a whole lot of power, but it was meant to be fun to drive.

It didn't. It was designed to emulate old roadsters, which were light,
handled well, and you drove them pedal-to-the-metal and flung them
around corners.



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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Phigan to The Lizard Master on Fri Jul 21 2023 06:18 am

difference wasn't much. I like manual transmission and they are dwindling. S although not the best idea, I might turn mine in and do this and I never

Which cars can you even get with manual transmission now? There are _never_ any on the dealer lots here. Or maybe I'm just not calling around enough :). I would like one too!

The one I settled on is not that exciting, but I love it. So much fun to drive and wasn't too bad price wise considering. Toyota Corolla lol!

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: The Lizard Master to Phigan on Sat Jul 22 2023 02:16 pm

The one I settled on is not that exciting, but I love it. So much fun to dri and wasn't too bad price wise considering. Toyota Corolla lol!

That's awesome. I will have to spend some more time at the Toyota dealership next time I am looking!

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** On Friday 21.07.23 - 20:52, Digital Man wrote to MRO:

The whole credit rating system is a scam. Don't fall for it!

It's impossible to escape. Your payment of bills is reported
to those Equifax-esque companies anyway. Your score is
adjusted when you pay on time or not.


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Hello DM!

** On Thursday 20.07.23 - 13:59, Digital Man wrote to Nightfox:

Do a lot of people really trade in their car after only 3 years? I've
known maybe one person who has done that.. I'd have a hard time believing
that's something a lot of people would do. You'd probably have constant
debt,

It's not smart, in my opinion, but yes, a lot of people do just that. A lot of people *lease* their cars too. Have you noticed that automoative
TV commercials never advertise the cost to *buy* a vehicle any more: they only advertise monthly (f)lease payments? It's crazy. --

Leasing (and no money down) worked well for me, 3 times (4yr
periods) in a row. The first one was the 1999 Toyota Rav4.
After 4 yrs, it was pretty neat to simply move into the new
model for 2003.

My priority was reliability, and something that can manage 6in
of unplowed driveway if necessary. Having driven used cars in
the many years prior, I simply got fed up with problems and
seemingly constant repairs with them.

Save for the occassional recall matter, I never encountered any
problem with the leased vehicles. The only clincher was to
maintain the regular maintenance schedule at the dealer. For
me, that required driving 100-130km to the dealer each time.

I decided to keep my 2007 Rav4. Other domestic costs had
emerged by then, and even the monthly lease payment had creeped
up for the 2012 models. So, I bought out the lease using other
credit which I was able to repay sooner than 4 yrs.

Now, I have a 16yr old Rav4 (under 140k km) that has
encountered several high cost repairs since two years ago. Rear
suspension, rotors and a few other things cost around $5000.
Now, the running boards have clear signs of advanced corrosion.
No issues with the engine at all.

I think I will revert to leasing for my next vehicle. The Ford
Escape is represented by a local dealer in my town, so long
drives for maintenance would be avoided.

I don't think leasing is (f)leasing per se. If would buy a
brand new car outright, the taxes would be based on the full
price up-front. So, the full price of the car + taxes is big
chunk to cough up. Compared to a lease, you only pay the tax on
the monthly portion, and if the vehicle is used for business,
the tax is a credit - which means that portion is no cost to
the biz. And, leasing is smaller expense burden over time.

Then, when it comes time to end the lease, the surrender of the
vehicle is akin to a sale, but without the burden of arranging
a sale yourself. That is a "cost" of convenience that can be
worth it.


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Hustler wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

You want fun. Try the MX-5 Miata!

My parents had a first-gen Miata. Great car, but I wish it was a third
bigger.



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Nightfox wrote to fusion <=-

i know the A1/A2 (rabbit/golf/jetta) engines well enough.. but first time around new, like my dad had when i was really young, his had electrical problems.

I had a 1977 and a 1983 Rabbit. The 1983 has OK electrical, the 1977
had a penchant for blowing the glow plug fuse - a thick 60A piece of
metal that fit in behind two screw terminals on the firewall. Blown
fuse = no start. They were relatively expensive, so I had to jury rig
it a couple of times.

I was at a concert, and in a pinch stripped a section of headphone wire.
it almost immediately fried, but gave the plugs enough juice to start.

Later, the rear brake lights went out, and the fuse box had shorted and
the back had melted.




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Digital Man wrote to MRO <=-

The whole credit rating system is a scam. Don't fall for it!

It's pretty laughable. I'm in pretty good shape financially, have had a mortgage in my name since 1996. No late payments. several cards, one of
them with over 20 years in my name.

My wife and I have an American Express card with a pretty big available
balance that we use for day-to-day expenses as well as big purchases
like a vacation we went on recently. I'll get a credit alert that my
score dropped because of my credit balance. I'll take the same amount
out of checking and pay the AMEX. Then, I get an alert from one service
that my rating went up, and another saying it went down because I have
too much available credit!

I worked at a startup in 2000 that did customer analytics. The founders
had come from Fair, Isaac and Company, aka FICO. Reading about the Fair
family, it's ironic that the founder has militantly scrubbed their
family's info from the net and had sued people to keep their information private. Privacy for me, but not for thee, apparently.



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On 22 Jul 2023, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...

Nightfox wrote to fusion <=-

i know the A1/A2 (rabbit/golf/jetta) engines well enough.. but first around new, like my dad had when i was really young, his had electric problems.

I had a 1977 and a 1983 Rabbit. The 1983 has OK electrical, the 1977
had a penchant for blowing the glow plug fuse - a thick 60A piece of
metal that fit in behind two screw terminals on the firewall. Blown
fuse = no start. They were relatively expensive, so I had to jury rig
it a couple of times.

nice! i had a 78, an 83 GTI, and an 84 GL.

never got the GTI into shape where i could do more than limp it around though.. there are a few spots in the frame where if there's damage you're basically screwed.. and someone jacked the car up with those spots repeatedly i think.

but, i ended up putting most of it's engine in the GL. i used the GTI's head and the block from a Mk3 Jetta.. the GL was automatic so i swapped all the parts over from the GTI to make it manual. going from 65hp in the GL to around 120 with that frankenstein in a tiny car was insane.. even better, it was a 4-door and looked like a granny mobile.

I was at a concert, and in a pinch stripped a section of headphone wire. it almost immediately fried, but gave the plugs enough juice to start.

ha, i love stories like that. my dad used to tell me about how he'd pull start his Beetle with a rope like in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI46qVW2WA4

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Sat Jul 22 2023 08:58 am

I was at a concert, and in a pinch stripped a section of headphone wire.
it almost immediately fried, but gave the plugs enough juice to start.

Later, the rear brake lights went out, and the fuse box had shorted and
the back had melted.

whoa sounds like murphy was visiting you. (murphys law) that is.


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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Nightfox to fusion on Fri Jul 21 2023 12:03 pm

Rabbit (the US name for the Golf at the time). The only really annoying issu had with it was that the taillight bulbs started to burn out relatively sucked was that in order to replace the taillight bulbs, there was a piece o plastic trunk liner in the back & bottom of the trunk that you had to detach and pull back on each side in order to get to the taillight housings to unsc and pull them out. I eventually just left the trunk liner detached on each s

Outa curiosity do you happen to know what your local gas station would charge to change it?

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: HusTler to Nightfox on Mon Jul 31 2023 06:45 am

Rabbit (the US name for the Golf at the time). The only really annoying
issu had with it was that the taillight bulbs started to burn out
relatively sucked was that in order to replace the taillight bulbs, there
was a piece o plastic trunk liner in the back & bottom of the trunk that
you had to detach and pull back on each side in order to get to the
taillight housings to unsc and pull them out. I eventually just left the
trunk liner detached on each s

Outa curiosity do you happen to know what your local gas station would charge to change it?

I've never seen any gas stations that change taillight/headlight bulbs or anything like that..?

Nightfox

Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Nightfox to HusTler on Mon Jul 31 2023 10:03 am

Outa curiosity do you happen to know what your local gas station would charge to change it?

I've never seen any gas stations that change taillight/headlight bulbs or anything like that..?

Oh. I guess in your State the gas stations don't have mechanics. Most do in New York. The money comes from auto repair. Not selling Gas. I was just curious what a mechanic would charge to change a light bulb.


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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Hustler to Nightfox on Tue Aug 01 2023 05:39 am

Oh. I guess in your State the gas stations don't have mechanics. Most do in New York. The money comes from auto repair. Not selling Gas. I was just curious what a mechanic would charge to change a light bulb.

I have seen one gas station in my area that also has garage bays with mechanics where they can help fix some car issues, but that's the only one I've seen in my area like that. The others just sell gas, and most have a convenience store too.

Ideally, changing light bulbs in a headlight or taillight should be a fairly simple thing. Unfortunately it seems like some are a little complicated to get to (especially taillights).

Nightfox

Nightfox wrote to HusTler <=-

I've never seen any gas stations that change taillight/headlight bulbs
or anything like that..?

Back in the old days when there were 2 types of bulbs and you could
reach the sockets from the trunk, gas station garages used to change
them for you.

Now, getting to, letalone changing headlight and taillight bulbs is a
pain.



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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Hustler to Nightfox on Tue Aug 01 2023 05:39 am

Oh. I guess in your State the gas stations don't have mechanics. Most do in New York. The money comes from auto repair. Not selling Gas. I was just curious what a mechanic would charge to change a light bulb.

the hourly rate. which is a lot
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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Nightfox to Hustler on Tue Aug 01 2023 08:46 am

Ideally, changing light bulbs in a headlight or taillight should be a fairly simple thing.

hahahaha

simple thing huh?

Ideally, changing light bulbs in a headlight or taillight should be a fairly simple thing. Unfortunately it seems like some are a little complicated to get to (especially taillights).

tail lights is usually easier.

did you never change a headlight or tail light?
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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Nightfox to Hustler on Tue Aug 01 2023 08:46 am

I have seen one gas station in my area that also has garage bays with mechan where they can help fix some car issues, but that's the only one I've seen i

Stop in one day and ask what they would charge to change a rear brakelight bulb. I'm really curious I had a guy do it for 10 bucks. I supplied the bulb. If they give you that hourly labor speech just say thanks and leave. You could also schedule an oil change and have them change the bulb then for a price. What price I don't know. This is why it's important to befreind your local mechanic. I had friends from my school years that I could turn to for fixes without charging an arm and a leg.


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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Hustler to Nightfox on Fri Aug 04 2023 04:59 am

Stop in one day and ask what they would charge to change a rear brakelight bulb. I'm really curious I had a guy do it for 10 bucks. I supplied the bulb. If they give you that hourly labor speech just say thanks and leave.

if you go to autozone they will do it and they wont take a tip. they cant.
i had a guy do my back one once because i never did it before. it was real easy on my car.

You could also schedule an oil change and have them change the bulb then for a price. What price I don't know. This is why it's important to befreind your local mechanic.

you will be charged a labor and disposal fee on top of the oil change.

your local mechanic. I had friends from my school years that I could turn to for fixes without charging an arm and a leg.

mechanics don't like being used by friends to fix things. you might think you are getting a deal but you are getting the regular rate.
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