I blame people not having local BBS's to log in to and we don't
'know our neighbors' anymore...

When I was growing up, I think my parents knew our next-door neighbors and
a few others because they either (a) had kids our age, or (b) had kids old enough to babysit.

It seems like as I have got older, people don't get to know their neighbors
as much. At my last house, my next door neighbors on one side rarely ever spoke to me, and this was in a neighborhood where the houses were less than
10 yards apart.

I have never lived anywhere that we had neighborhood get-togethers. OTOH,
my sister and her husband live in a neighborhood where a lot of them get together and celebrate holidays. They had a 1980's Ski Lodge themed NYE
party that looks like it was fun. That way no one had to drive... they
could all walk home.


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Re: Knowing Neighbors
By: Dumas Walker to JIMMY ANDERSON on Fri Jan 06 2023 05:04 pm

I have never lived anywhere that we had neighborhood get-togethers. OTOH, my sister and her husband live in a neighborhood where a lot of them get together and celebrate holidays. They had a 1980's Ski Lodge themed NYE party that looks like it was fun. That way no one had to drive... they could all walk home.

i live in a historical area and there's an association that you can join for a good chunk of money. i dont know what they do with the money.

when they do activities normally there are 3 people total.

I've been rude to them but they keep putting their fliers in my mailbox.
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I've been rude to them but they keep putting their fliers in my mailbox.

So they are persistent, like Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons? :)


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Re: Knowing Neighbors
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sat Jan 07 2023 10:13 am

I've been rude to them but they keep putting their fliers in my mailbox.

So they are persistent, like Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons? :)

i cut my grass and decorate for the holidays outside so they keep coming.
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Dumas Walker wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

I blame people not having local BBS's to log in to and we don't
'know our neighbors' anymore...

When I was growing up, I think my parents knew our next-door neighbors
and a few others because they either (a) had kids our age, or (b) had
kids old enough to babysit.

It seems like as I have got older, people don't get to know their neighbors as much. At my last house, my next door neighbors on one
side rarely ever spoke to me, and this was in a neighborhood where the houses were less than 10 yards apart.

I have never lived anywhere that we had neighborhood get-togethers.
OTOH, my sister and her husband live in a neighborhood where a lot of
them get together and celebrate holidays. They had a 1980's Ski Lodge themed NYE party that looks like it was fun. That way no one had to drive... they could all walk home.

Sounds like a GREAT idea!

I remember reading something Garrison Keillor wrote a long time ago -
air conditioners are the reason we don't know our neighbors. :-)

Let me explain... Before window screens, you might as well go outside
to cool off, since the flies would come in. Then screens came along
and you could stay inside, but still talk through the windows. Then
air conditioners meant you could shut the windows, thus shutting
out the outside world...

I think there's a lot of truth to that!




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I remember reading something Garrison Keillor wrote a long time ago -
air conditioners are the reason we don't know our neighbors. :-)

Let me explain... Before window screens, you might as well go outside
to cool off, since the flies would come in. Then screens came along
and you could stay inside, but still talk through the windows. Then
air conditioners meant you could shut the windows, thus shutting
out the outside world...

I think there's a lot of truth to that!

It does make a lot of sense. The kids don't play outside as much anymore, either. In the case of some of our local kids, that is a good thing.
Whenever they are outside they are screaming at their parents or tearing
(other people's) stuff up. :O ;)


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Re: Re: Knowing Neighbors
By: Dumas Walker to JIMMY ANDERSON on Sun Jan 08 2023 05:57 am

It does make a lot of sense. The kids don't play outside as much anymore, either. In the case of some of our local kids, that is a good thing. Whenever they are outside they are screaming at their parents or tearing (other people's) stuff up. :O ;)

When i was a kid i would go out to play in the summer and come back at dark. Years later when i had my son, we didn't do that anymore.

Now many years later you don't leave a kid alone infront of the house in some areas.
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Re: Re: Knowing Neighbors
By: Jimmy Anderson to Dumas Walker on Sat Jan 07 2023 09:43 pm

Dumas Walker wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

I blame people not having local BBS's to log in to and we don't
'know our neighbors' anymore...

When I was growing up, I think my parents knew our next-door neighbors and a few others because they either (a) had kids our age, or (b) had kids old enough to babysit.

It seems like as I have got older, people don't get to know their neighbors as much. At my last house, my next door neighbors on one side rarely ever spoke to me, and this was in a neighborhood where the houses were less than 10 yards apart.

I have never lived anywhere that we had neighborhood get-togethers. OTOH, my sister and her husband live in a neighborhood where a lot of them get together and celebrate holidays. They had a 1980's Ski Lodge themed NYE party that looks like it was fun. That way no one had to drive... they could all walk home.

Sounds like a GREAT idea!

I remember reading something Garrison Keillor wrote a long time ago -
air conditioners are the reason we don't know our neighbors. :-)

Let me explain... Before window screens, you might as well go outside
to cool off, since the flies would come in. Then screens came along
and you could stay inside, but still talk through the windows. Then
air conditioners meant you could shut the windows, thus shutting
out the outside world...

I think there's a lot of truth to that!

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When Frank Lloyd Wright made his first concept of a modern house, there was
no front porch and the "front" door was placed on the side of the house adjace nt to the driveway. He believed that the front porch was a remnant of when pe ople walked and rode horse and carriage, and they moved along slpw enough you can have a conversation with passesrs by. That allows the front door to be more useful when greeting guests stepping out of their cars in the driveway.

Regarding next door neighbors, either I know them from growing up, khowing th eir kids, knowing them because their kids played sports with my neice and nephews, or through church.

Nowadays I know half of my neighbors, but know little about them or have no social threads with them.

It seems like the neighbors were closer or more friendly during my parent's generation. I also think that is because everyone here was from around here, and an acquaitance of an acquaintance. These people were all from the area within the county, and the older families had large families so it was hard
to avoid not knowing someone from a family.

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Re: Re: Knowing Neighbors
By: Moondog to Jimmy Anderson on Sun Jan 08 2023 02:24 pm

When Frank Lloyd Wright made his first concept of a modern house, there was no front porch and the "front" door was placed on the side of the house adjace nt to the driveway. He believed that the front porch was a remnant

FLW was horrible. dude was nuts. There's several of his houses and copycats in my home city. he had a lot of beliefs. lots of flat roofs and leaky houses.

he was a fan of brick and wood and uncomfortable seating.

https://i.imgur.com/tVjvFeQ.png
https://i.imgur.com/gQggu5l.png

If i had the money i would buy his houses and bulldoze them.
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FLW was horrible. dude was nuts. There's several of his houses and copycats in my home city. he had a lot of beliefs. lots of flat roofs and leaky houses.

Ha I don't doubt it. I like some of his ideas but I think people took his style and applied it in a way that I find more...well, pleasing and livable. If you ever drive through Palm Springs, it has countless examples of this aesthetic done in a way I find tasteful and timeless.

In LA I remember seeing a house designed by R Kappe and really liked that one as well. I find myself really drawn to more of the Japanese style and mid-century modern American style than anything else. A Craftsman house always looks timeless as well.

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Re: Re: Knowing Neighbors
By: MRO to Moondog on Sun Jan 08 2023 02:28 pm

Re: Re: Knowing Neighbors
By: Moondog to Jimmy Anderson on Sun Jan 08 2023 02:24 pm

When Frank Lloyd Wright made his first concept of a modern house, there no front porch and the "front" door was placed on the side of the house adjace nt to the driveway. He believed that the front porch was a remnan

FLW was horrible. dude was nuts. There's several of his houses and copycat

he was a fan of brick and wood and uncomfortable seating.

https://i.imgur.com/tVjvFeQ.png
https://i.imgur.com/gQggu5l.png

If i had the money i would buy his houses and bulldoze them.

I agree about the furniture and leaky ceilings. With regards to the
invention of the automobile, the front porch became obsolete when traffic
began moving faster than conversation could be conducted. A side or service entrance facing the driveway makes more sense.

A few years ago the Snowflake Inn was torn down. While it was credited to being designed by FLW, his son in law was in charge of his design firm, and Wright was dead beofre it was built. It was never the tourist attraction
they belived it would be, and the owners didn't invest enough in the upkeep.

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Re: Re: Knowing Neighbors
By: esc to MRO on Sun Jan 08 2023 10:31 pm

FLW was horrible. dude was nuts. There's several of his houses and copycats in my home city. he had a lot of beliefs. lots of flat roofs and leaky houses.

Ha I don't doubt it. I like some of his ideas but I think people took his style and applied it in a way that I find more...well, pleasing and livable. If you ever drive through Palm Springs, it has countless examples of this aesthetic done in a way I find tasteful and timeless.

The guy designed stools for sc johnson wax's headquarters. they had 3 legs and you had to be balanced on it or you would fall over. all of his stuff leaks
and the plastics he liked to use in his buildings got foggy like old car headlights.

Also they were being racist to one of his workers and a bunch of people got slaughtered. https://www.history.com/news/the-massacre-at-frank-lloyd-wrights-love-cottage
Here's another ugly ass new age house in my home city.
Nobody has ever lived in it. it's just an eyesore. https://www.johnsenschmaling.com/os-house/
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Re: Re: Knowing Neighbors
By: Moondog to MRO on Sun Jan 08 2023 10:10 pm

he was a fan of brick and wood and uncomfortable seating.

https://i.imgur.com/tVjvFeQ.png
https://i.imgur.com/gQggu5l.png

If i had the money i would buy his houses and bulldoze them.

I agree about the furniture and leaky ceilings. With regards to the invention of the automobile, the front porch became obsolete when traffic began moving faster than conversation could be conducted. A side or service entrance facing the driveway makes more sense.

they still build new houses with front porches. people loved screened in porches.
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Re: Re: Knowing Neighbors
By: MRO to Moondog on Mon Jan 09 2023 03:04 am

Re: Re: Knowing Neighbors
By: Moondog to MRO on Sun Jan 08 2023 10:10 pm

he was a fan of brick and wood and uncomfortable seating.

https://i.imgur.com/tVjvFeQ.png
https://i.imgur.com/gQggu5l.png

If i had the money i would buy his houses and bulldoze them.

I agree about the furniture and leaky ceilings. With regards to the invention of the automobile, the front porch became obsolete when traffic began moving faster than conversation could be conducted. A side or serv entrance facing the driveway makes more sense.

they still build new houses with front porches. people loved screened in por

If you live in a suburb or have neighbors that walk by, it may make sense.
If you live by a busy road or the middle of nowhere, a deck or porch that overlooks the backyard or has a scenic sunset view is preferrable. The folks
I know who have garages they actually park in use the side entrance and front door is unused and the front yard isn't played in.

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Re: Re: Knowing Neighbors
By: Moondog to MRO on Mon Jan 09 2023 09:49 pm

If you live in a suburb or have neighbors that walk by, it may make sense. If you live by a busy road or the middle of nowhere, a deck or porch that overlooks the backyard or has a scenic sunset view is preferrable. The folks
I know who have garages they actually park in use the side entrance and front door is unused and the front yard isn't played in.

it doesnt matter that they walk into their side entrance of an attached garage. houses are still being built brand new with front porches. It's an aesthetic.

The idea design for houses is to have a front and back porch.

https://eyeonhousing.org/2021/09/share-of-new-homes-with-porches-back-over-65-percent-2/

"Among other things, the latest BPS report (covering homes built in 2020) shows that porches continue to be most common on the front of new single-family homes, rather than on the side or rear. When they are present, however, the side and rear porches tend to be larger-about 143 square feet, on average, compared to roughly 99 square feet for front porches. "

Women want a porch where they can hang their flowers. they can get a rocking chair and put it on there and never use it.

What women want drive house development and design.
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Re: Re: Knowing Neighbors
By: MRO to Moondog on Tue Jan 10 2023 04:09 am

Re: Re: Knowing Neighbors
By: Moondog to MRO on Mon Jan 09 2023 09:49 pm

If you live in a suburb or have neighbors that walk by, it may make sense If you live by a busy road or the middle of nowhere, a deck or porch that overlooks the backyard or has a scenic sunset view is preferrable. The folks
I know who have garages they actually park in use the side entrance and front door is unused and the front yard isn't played in.

it doesnt matter that they walk into their side entrance of an attached gara

The idea design for houses is to have a front and back porch.

https://eyeonhousing.org/2021/09/share-of-new-homes-with-porches-back-over-6

"Among other things, the latest BPS report (covering homes built in 2020) sh end to be larger-about 143 square feet, on average, compared to roughly 99 s

Women want a porch where they can hang their flowers. they can get a rockin

What women want drive house development and design.

Understood, but in my area the beanfields being turned into gated communities have houses built near the road, with a deck in the backyard, and a simple entrance in the front. No porch. The houses have garages thatt step into
the kitchen like a service entrance. My aunt lives in one, and the neighbors are a variety of ages, and most keep to themselves. The backyard decks are
the spot for flowers and rocking chairs, and see use.

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DUMAS WALKER wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

I remember reading something Garrison Keillor wrote a long time ago -
air conditioners are the reason we don't know our neighbors. :-)

Let me explain... Before window screens, you might as well go outside
to cool off, since the flies would come in. Then screens came along
and you could stay inside, but still talk through the windows. Then
air conditioners meant you could shut the windows, thus shutting
out the outside world...

I think there's a lot of truth to that!

It does make a lot of sense. The kids don't play outside as much
anymore, either. In the case of some of our local kids, that is a good thing. Whenever they are outside they are screaming at their parents or tearing (other people's) stuff up. :O ;)

LOL - yeah, I can see that, but yeah kids have different social circles nowadays...




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MOONDOG wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

I remember reading something Garrison Keillor wrote a long time ago -
air conditioners are the reason we don't know our neighbors. :-)

Let me explain... Before window screens, you might as well go outside
to cool off, since the flies would come in. Then screens came along
and you could stay inside, but still talk through the windows. Then
air conditioners meant you could shut the windows, thus shutting
out the outside world...

I think there's a lot of truth to that!

When Frank Lloyd Wright made his first concept of a modern house,
there was no front porch and the "front" door was placed on the side of the house adjace nt to the driveway. He believed that the front porch
was a remnant of when pe ople walked and rode horse and carriage, and
they moved along slpw enough you can have a conversation with passesrs
by. That allows the front door to be more useful when greeting guests stepping out of their cars in the driveway.

I can see that! I guess that also explains why the porches were so HUGE
before too!

Regarding next door neighbors, either I know them from growing up,
khowing th eir kids, knowing them because their kids played sports with
my neice and nephews, or through church.

Nowadays I know half of my neighbors, but know little about them or
have no social threads with them.

It seems like the neighbors were closer or more friendly during my parent's generation. I also think that is because everyone here was
from around here, and an acquaitance of an acquaintance. These people were all from the area within the county, and the older families had
large families so it was hard to avoid not knowing someone from a
family.

Yeah. It's so much easier to travel today, and much easier to actually
PICK UP AND MOVE farther and farther away.




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Re: Re: Knowing Neighbors
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to MOONDOG on Tue Jan 10 2023 01:44 pm

MOONDOG wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

I remember reading something Garrison Keillor wrote a long time ago -
air conditioners are the reason we don't know our neighbors. :-)

Let me explain... Before window screens, you might as well go outside
to cool off, since the flies would come in. Then screens came along
and you could stay inside, but still talk through the windows. Then
air conditioners meant you could shut the windows, thus shutting
out the outside world...

I think there's a lot of truth to that!

When Frank Lloyd Wright made his first concept of a modern house, there was no front porch and the "front" door was placed on the side of the house adjace nt to the driveway. He believed that the front porch was a remnant of when pe ople walked and rode horse and carriage, and they moved along slpw enough you can have a conversation with passesrs by. That allows the front door to be more useful when greeting guests stepping out of their cars in the driveway.

I can see that! I guess that also explains why the porches were so HUGE before too!

Regarding next door neighbors, either I know them from growing up, khowing th eir kids, knowing them because their kids played sports with my neice and nephews, or through church.

Nowadays I know half of my neighbors, but know little about them or have no social threads with them.

It seems like the neighbors were closer or more friendly during my parent's generation. I also think that is because everyone here was from around here, and an acquaitance of an acquaintance. These people were all from the area within the county, and the older families had large families so it was hard to avoid not knowing someone from a family.

Yeah. It's so much easier to travel today, and much easier to actually
PICK UP AND MOVE farther and farther away.

... I before E except after C, huh? Weird!

Correct. In the old days the kids would stay around or leave school early to work on the farm, and marry into another local family. College and professional jobs elsewhere allow the families to move one to where the jobs are.

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JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to DUMAS WALKER <=-

DUMAS WALKER wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

I remember reading something Garrison Keillor wrote a long time ago -
air conditioners are the reason we don't know our neighbors. :-)

Also, neignbors run their AC 24/7 and put the compressor where they
can't hear it but their neighbors can.

I had a neighbor who ran his AC most every month until 10:00pm -- and
their compressor was right outside of our dining room windows. That was
the least of his problems, I'm afraid.



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Also, neignbors run their AC 24/7 and put the compressor where they
can't hear it but their neighbors can.

I think you are right about newer houses. A friend of mine had a house
built in the 1990's or so. Her neighbor had a 2-story with a compressor
for each floor. Both were outside her kitchen bay window. The neighbor,
OTOH, had no windows on that level.

Her unit, IIRC, was also on that same side, but not close to the window.
As many new, larger homes are built barely 5 yards apart, walking between
the two houses to get to her backyard could be noisy during Summer.

One of the houses I grew up in was built in the late 1960's. The outdoor
unit was on the side of the house where there were no windows on that
level. It faced the garage wall of the neighbor's house, which also had no windows.

The neighbors on the other side backed up to my parent's house. Their
outdoor unit was on a wall that faced our windowless garage wall.
Ironically, their unit was right outside their dining room windows. I
remember that because lightning struck their nearby tree and fried their outside unit.

Just around the corner of the house, they had a wall with no windows on it. Only thing I can figure was that the unit was not put there because they
were a corner house and that windowless wall faced a street.

Mike


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