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Re: about this subgroup
By: Art to All on Thu Aug 20 2009 10:53 am

This Sub-Group is for any Microsoft-related messages.

now.. this seems more like it...

btw.. I know MS has released a free c++ compiler.. does anyone know if there is a free VisualBasic?


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Re: about this subgroup
By: mrproper to Art on Wed Dec 02 2009 18:23:00

By: Art to All on Thu Aug 20 2009 10:53 am

This Sub-Group is for any Microsoft-related messages.

now.. this seems more like it...

btw.. I know MS has released a free c++ compiler.. does anyone know if there a free VisualBasic?

Sorry mrproper... in fact that message was posted local to my own bbs... not sure what sbbs did to send it to DevNet, but I do apologise for that fiasco! I'd like to say that it's sorted out, but I have no idea what happened.

These messages were sitting happily in my local message groups for months until yesterday...

In any event you may want to try out Visual Basic 2008 Express Edition. Link is here: http://www.microsoft.com/Express/VB/

2010 is now open for public beta testing, so you can download that as well for free, I believe.

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Re: about this subgroup
By: art to mrproper on Thu Dec 03 2009 07:45 am

These messages were sitting happily in my local message groups for months until yesterday...

In any event you may want to try out Visual Basic 2008 Express Edition.
Link is here: http://www.microsoft.com/Express/VB/

2010 is now open for public beta testing, so you can download that as well for free, I believe.

Thanks!

at least something 'good' come out of this fiasco.



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Re: about this subgroup
By: mrproper to art on Thu Dec 03 2009 06:02:52

at least something 'good' come out of this fiasco.

:) Thanks for your patience everyone.

On another note--I have installed VS2010, but not yet use it. Nightfox, I think you mentioned that you've used it before? What's new with 2010?

I must be the only idiot in the world to have actually purchased VS2008 Professional Edition, and now they've giving most of it away for free! D'oh.

On the plus side I can legitimately use as many SQL 2005 instances as I want, plus it comes with the SQL Developer edition which is almost the same as Enterprise... tasty!

Kind regards,
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Re: about this subgroup
By: mrproper to Art on Wed Dec 02 2009 18:23:14

btw.. I know MS has released a free c++ compiler.. does anyone know if th a free VisualBasic?

Yes, it's called Visual Basic Express and is available here: http://www.microsoft.com/Express/VB

In fact, it's part of a line of "Express" versions of software development packages from Microsoft, which are all free. They have Visual C++ Express, Visual C# Express, Visual Basic Express, etc.

Nightfox

Re: about this subgroup
By: art to mrproper on Thu Dec 03 2009 07:45:41

Sorry mrproper... in fact that message was posted local to my own bbs... sure what sbbs did to send it to DevNet, but I do apologise for that fias I'd like to say that it's sorted out, but I have no idea what happened.

Things seem to be okay now. No real harm done anyway. :)

Nightfox

Re: about this subgroup
By: art to mrproper on Thu Dec 03 2009 14:36:17

On another note--I have installed VS2010, but not yet use it. Nightfox, I you mentioned that you've used it before? What's new with 2010?

Actually I haven't used 2010 yet.. I've been using Visual Studio 2008.

I must be the only idiot in the world to have actually purchased VS2008 Professional Edition, and now they've giving most of it away for free! D'

There are actually some differences between the Express versions and the Professional editions.. I noticed that Visual C++ Express does not come with the resource editor, which is included in the Professional edition. The resource editor can be fairly handy for including things like icons, bitmaps (graphic data), etc. in your executable. I'm sure there are other features that aren't included in the Express editions too..

On the plus side I can legitimately use as many SQL 2005 instances as I w plus it comes with the SQL Developer edition which is almost the same as Enterprise... tasty!

I haven't used Microsoft's SQL Server, but I've used MySQL and PostgreSQL and must say that they're pretty good for free products. I believe that open-source products (such as MySQL, PostgreSQL, Linux, Apache, etc.) really seem to be competitive with other proprietary solutions that cost a lot of money.

Nightfox

Re: Free Visual Basic
By: Nightfox to mrproper on Fri Dec 04 2009 01:33 pm

Yes, it's called Visual Basic Express and is available here: http://www.microsoft.com/Express/VB

In fact, it's part of a line of "Express" versions of software development packages from Microsoft, which are all free. They have Visual C++ Express, Visual C# Express, Visual Basic Express, etc.

that's cool. I'm going to have to check em out :)


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Re: about this subgroup
By: Nightfox to art on Fri Dec 04 2009 01:34 pm

Sorry mrproper... in fact that message was posted local to my own bbs... sure what sbbs did to send it to DevNet, but I do apologise
for that fias I'd like to say that it's sorted out, but I have no
idea what happened.

Things seem to be okay now. No real harm done anyway. :)

nah.. not like I something I done one day.. I was importing messages using newslink and dumped 2000+ messages into a networked sub-board :)


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Re: Visual Studio
By: Nightfox to art on Fri Dec 04 2009 13:38:30

There are actually some differences between the Express versions and the Professional editions.. I noticed that Visual C++ Express does not come wit the resource editor, which is included in the Professional edition. The resource editor can be fairly handy for including things like icons, bitmaps (graphic data), etc. in your executable. I'm sure there are other features that aren't included in the Express editions too..

Yes, it comes with a lot of extras like built-in context-sensitive help and more, which is generally really handy... however the basic Express edition is all knowledgeable programmers would probably need, apart from API docs which are available on MSDN's website. A great move on Microsoft's part to release Express editions for free, given that netbeans and eclipse have similar strategies.

I haven't used Microsoft's SQL Server, but I've used MySQL and PostgreSQL an must say that they're pretty good for free products. I believe that open-source products (such as MySQL, PostgreSQL, Linux, Apache, etc.) really seem to be competitive with other proprietary solutions that cost a lot of money.

Yep, I use MySQL for many things as well, however MSSQL definitely has it's benefits. I guess I'm biased as we are a Microsoft partner at work, and almost all our clients use MSSQL, I'm much more familiar with the MSSQL Management tools/client end. To each his own, I guess. The big killer is that MySQL is free whereas MSSQL's free version is somewhat more crippled.

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Re: Visual Studio
By: art to Nightfox on Sat Dec 05 2009 16:17:04

more, which is generally really handy... however the basic Express editio all knowledgeable programmers would probably need, apart from API docs wh are available on MSDN's website. A great move on Microsoft's part to rele Express editions for free, given that netbeans and eclipse have similar strategies.

Yeah, I think it's pretty cool that they've released the Express editions for free.

I just remembered that another thing missing from the Express editions is MFC (Microsoft's proprietary library for creating a Windows GUI with C++).
However, if you don't need to work on any MFC code, you can install wxWidgets, which I've found to be a great alternative to MFC in that it's multi-platform and open-source.

Yep, I use MySQL for many things as well, however MSSQL definitely has it benefits. I guess I'm biased as we are a Microsoft partner at work, and a all our clients use MSSQL, I'm much more familiar with the MSSQL Manageme

I understand how that goes.

I had a job for a few years at a company that used purely Linux and other open-source software. I had used Linux at home sometimes too, but it helped to see Linux in action in a business environment. As long as people are willing to learn Linux (or perhaps are already familiar with it), it's pretty awesome to be able to use Linux for business and not have to pay any money for license fees, upgrading, etc. if you don't want to. And the software is great, too.

Nightfox

This Sub-Group is for any Microsoft-related messages.

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Re: about this subgroup
By: Art to All on Thu Aug 20 2009 10:53 am

This Sub-Group is for any Microsoft-related messages.

now.. this seems more like it...

btw.. I know MS has released a free c++ compiler.. does anyone know if there is a free VisualBasic?


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+o WarZone BBS

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Re: about this subgroup
By: mrproper to Art on Wed Dec 02 2009 18:23:00

By: Art to All on Thu Aug 20 2009 10:53 am

This Sub-Group is for any Microsoft-related messages.

now.. this seems more like it...

btw.. I know MS has released a free c++ compiler.. does anyone know if there a free VisualBasic?

Sorry mrproper... in fact that message was posted local to my own bbs... not sure what sbbs did to send it to DevNet, but I do apologise for that fiasco! I'd like to say that it's sorted out, but I have no idea what happened.

These messages were sitting happily in my local message groups for months until yesterday...

In any event you may want to try out Visual Basic 2008 Express Edition. Link is here: http://www.microsoft.com/Express/VB/

2010 is now open for public beta testing, so you can download that as well for free, I believe.

Kind regards,
+------------------------------+
| Art % fatcats.poorcoding.com |
+--------------- ----- -- - `

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Re: about this subgroup
By: art to mrproper on Thu Dec 03 2009 07:45 am

These messages were sitting happily in my local message groups for months until yesterday...

In any event you may want to try out Visual Basic 2008 Express Edition.
Link is here: http://www.microsoft.com/Express/VB/

2010 is now open for public beta testing, so you can download that as well for free, I believe.

Thanks!

at least something 'good' come out of this fiasco.



--

Tim Smith (Mrproper)
+o WarZone BBS

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Re: about this subgroup
By: mrproper to art on Thu Dec 03 2009 06:02:52

at least something 'good' come out of this fiasco.

:) Thanks for your patience everyone.

On another note--I have installed VS2010, but not yet use it. Nightfox, I think you mentioned that you've used it before? What's new with 2010?

I must be the only idiot in the world to have actually purchased VS2008 Professional Edition, and now they've giving most of it away for free! D'oh.

On the plus side I can legitimately use as many SQL 2005 instances as I want, plus it comes with the SQL Developer edition which is almost the same as Enterprise... tasty!

Kind regards,
+------------------------------+
| Art % fatcats.poorcoding.com |
+--------------- ----- -- - `

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Re: about this subgroup
By: mrproper to Art on Wed Dec 02 2009 18:23:14

btw.. I know MS has released a free c++ compiler.. does anyone know if th a free VisualBasic?

Yes, it's called Visual Basic Express and is available here: http://www.microsoft.com/Express/VB

In fact, it's part of a line of "Express" versions of software development packages from Microsoft, which are all free. They have Visual C++ Express, Visual C# Express, Visual Basic Express, etc.

Nightfox

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Re: about this subgroup
By: art to mrproper on Thu Dec 03 2009 07:45:41

Sorry mrproper... in fact that message was posted local to my own bbs... sure what sbbs did to send it to DevNet, but I do apologise for that fias I'd like to say that it's sorted out, but I have no idea what happened.

Things seem to be okay now. No real harm done anyway. :)

Nightfox

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Re: about this subgroup
By: art to mrproper on Thu Dec 03 2009 14:36:17

On another note--I have installed VS2010, but not yet use it. Nightfox, I you mentioned that you've used it before? What's new with 2010?

Actually I haven't used 2010 yet.. I've been using Visual Studio 2008.

I must be the only idiot in the world to have actually purchased VS2008 Professional Edition, and now they've giving most of it away for free! D'

There are actually some differences between the Express versions and the Professional editions.. I noticed that Visual C++ Express does not come with the resource editor, which is included in the Professional edition. The resource editor can be fairly handy for including things like icons, bitmaps (graphic data), etc. in your executable. I'm sure there are other features that aren't included in the Express editions too..

On the plus side I can legitimately use as many SQL 2005 instances as I w plus it comes with the SQL Developer edition which is almost the same as Enterprise... tasty!

I haven't used Microsoft's SQL Server, but I've used MySQL and PostgreSQL and must say that they're pretty good for free products. I believe that open-source products (such as MySQL, PostgreSQL, Linux, Apache, etc.) really seem to be competitive with other proprietary solutions that cost a lot of money.

Nightfox

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Re: Free Visual Basic
By: Nightfox to mrproper on Fri Dec 04 2009 01:33 pm

Yes, it's called Visual Basic Express and is available here: http://www.microsoft.com/Express/VB

In fact, it's part of a line of "Express" versions of software development packages from Microsoft, which are all free. They have Visual C++ Express, Visual C# Express, Visual Basic Express, etc.

that's cool. I'm going to have to check em out :)


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+o WarZone BBS

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Re: about this subgroup
By: Nightfox to art on Fri Dec 04 2009 01:34 pm

Sorry mrproper... in fact that message was posted local to my own bbs... sure what sbbs did to send it to DevNet, but I do apologise
for that fias I'd like to say that it's sorted out, but I have no
idea what happened.

Things seem to be okay now. No real harm done anyway. :)

nah.. not like I something I done one day.. I was importing messages using newslink and dumped 2000+ messages into a networked sub-board :)


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Tim Smith (Mrproper)
+o WarZone BBS

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Re: Visual Studio
By: Nightfox to art on Fri Dec 04 2009 13:38:30

There are actually some differences between the Express versions and the Professional editions.. I noticed that Visual C++ Express does not come wit the resource editor, which is included in the Professional edition. The resource editor can be fairly handy for including things like icons, bitmaps (graphic data), etc. in your executable. I'm sure there are other features that aren't included in the Express editions too..

Yes, it comes with a lot of extras like built-in context-sensitive help and more, which is generally really handy... however the basic Express edition is all knowledgeable programmers would probably need, apart from API docs which are available on MSDN's website. A great move on Microsoft's part to release Express editions for free, given that netbeans and eclipse have similar strategies.

I haven't used Microsoft's SQL Server, but I've used MySQL and PostgreSQL an must say that they're pretty good for free products. I believe that open-source products (such as MySQL, PostgreSQL, Linux, Apache, etc.) really seem to be competitive with other proprietary solutions that cost a lot of money.

Yep, I use MySQL for many things as well, however MSSQL definitely has it's benefits. I guess I'm biased as we are a Microsoft partner at work, and almost all our clients use MSSQL, I'm much more familiar with the MSSQL Management tools/client end. To each his own, I guess. The big killer is that MySQL is free whereas MSSQL's free version is somewhat more crippled.

Kind regards,
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+--------------- ----- -- -

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Re: Visual Studio
By: art to Nightfox on Sat Dec 05 2009 16:17:04

more, which is generally really handy... however the basic Express editio all knowledgeable programmers would probably need, apart from API docs wh are available on MSDN's website. A great move on Microsoft's part to rele Express editions for free, given that netbeans and eclipse have similar strategies.

Yeah, I think it's pretty cool that they've released the Express editions for free.

I just remembered that another thing missing from the Express editions is MFC (Microsoft's proprietary library for creating a Windows GUI with C++).
However, if you don't need to work on any MFC code, you can install wxWidgets, which I've found to be a great alternative to MFC in that it's multi-platform and open-source.

Yep, I use MySQL for many things as well, however MSSQL definitely has it benefits. I guess I'm biased as we are a Microsoft partner at work, and a all our clients use MSSQL, I'm much more familiar with the MSSQL Manageme

I understand how that goes.

I had a job for a few years at a company that used purely Linux and other open-source software. I had used Linux at home sometimes too, but it helped to see Linux in action in a business environment. As long as people are willing to learn Linux (or perhaps are already familiar with it), it's pretty awesome to be able to use Linux for business and not have to pay any money for license fees, upgrading, etc. if you don't want to. And the software is great, too.

Nightfox

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