Where the fuck is the BBS Discussion?

Are you all sleeping?

I know some are really busy with their careers, which I honestly respect but honestly don't understand. (My career is being a deep thinking, dumb ass.)

Here's my latest thoughts on BBS Discussion:

My first wish is that BBSs had more activity, and that's because BBS people often put meaningful thought into their posts & replies, in contrast to blog commentators, or chat room assholes.

My second wish, is that BBSs were more accessible. BBSing sucks with anything other than a desk/laptop. Wouldn't it be great if these conversations could
be carried on more easily on the android and/or iphone?

My third wish, is that BBS people would follow-up with their BBS dreams: Did you create a fido-style network just so you could kick back & jack off to
some 90s porn? Post some fucking messages, lazy asses!

Ok, I'm ready to be banned. No court-order will be necessary.. :(

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Raspberry Pi)
* Origin: Alcoholiday / Est. 1995 / alco.bbs.io (46:1/166)

on 05/04/17, metalhead said...

Where the fuck is the BBS Discussion?

It stopped after we stopped trolling everyone over Trump. :D

Are you all sleeping?

I got a new job. Part-time, but even working only 2 or 3 days a week I still come close to 36 hours or so, which is more than enough to pay my bills, help me get my certs, and have cash left over... though it does sometimes leave me rather tired the next day. Those 12 hour shifts can be a bitch.

My first wish is that BBSs had more activity, and that's because BBS people often put meaningful thought into their posts & replies, in contrast to blog commentators, or chat room assholes.

This is largely an artifact of demographics. You can be just as thoughtful on forums, mailing lists, and blogs... people just choose to take potshots at
one another, talking over each other rather than with each other. Promoting BBSs won't change that. It's a people problem.

My second wish, is that BBSs were more accessible. BBSing sucks with anything other than a desk/laptop. Wouldn't it be great if these conversations could be carried on more easily on the android and/or iphone?

Am I imagining things, or wasn't there a Syncterm port to Android or
something?

My third wish, is that BBS people would follow-up with their BBS dreams: Did you create a fido-style network just so you could kick back & jack
off to some 90s porn? Post some fucking messages, lazy asses!

No.

Ok, I'm ready to be banned. No court-order will be necessary.. :(

BANHAMMER, TAKE THEE AWAY!

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A27 (Windows)
* Origin: d i s t o r t i o n // d1st.org (46:1/145)

04 May 17 23:37, you wrote to all:

Where the fuck is the BBS Discussion?
Are you all sleeping?

Yes, Naomi, right ther...What? Gaaaahh... :(

I know some are really busy with their careers, which I honestly
respect but honestly don't understand. (My career is being a deep thinking, dumb ass.)

Well, I've always been more of an anti-social fuckhead, so while I totaly loved
setting all this up several times, I never planned to write much.. ;)
Two weeks ago, I switched my complete ftn-setup from Mystic to BinkD+Husky+GoldEd - that's my kick! ;)
But GoldEd's worth nothing when I don't write anything, so...

My second wish, is that BBSs were more accessible. BBSing sucks with anything other than a desk/laptop. Wouldn't it be great if these conversations could be carried on more easily on the android and/or iphone?

Yeah, man! There is some special bbs telnet client for android, but it sucks bigtime... I always wonderes if I could make ftelnet (https://www.ftelnet.ca/) an app using Phonegap/Cordova.. Never got to do this.. Maybe, someday.. Or you give it a try.. :) Phonegap is pretty easy and all you need is some kind of glue around the existing ftelnet-code...

For reading ftn networks like AgoraNet oder Fido, there's hotdoged for Android.. No beauty but absolutely usable..!

I have no idea about ios, though, since the last iphone I really used as my daily mobile was die iphone4.. ;)

My third wish, is that BBS people would follow-up with their BBS
dreams: Did you create a fido-style network just so you could kick
back & jack off to some 90s porn? Post some fucking messages, lazy
asses!

My BBS _IS_ my 90s porn! ;)

Ok, I'm ready to be banned. No court-order will be necessary.. :(

Cheers,
Philipp


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On 5/4/2017 10:37 PM, metalhead -> All wrote:

Where the fuck is the BBS Discussion?

Are you all sleeping?

Maybe. Unfortunately, these days 90% of what's left of the BBS scene is not very active. When there's no good conversation here I open up Steam and play some games instead.

I know some are really busy with their careers, which I honestly respect but honestly don't understand. (My career is being a deep thinking,
dumb ass.)

Work/Careers are only a fraction of it. Add to that a wife and kids, housework,
other hobbies, etc.

Can't just sit here and listen to the modem pick up all night any more. :)

My second wish, is that BBSs were more accessible. BBSing sucks with anything other than a desk/laptop. Wouldn't it be great if these conversations could be carried on more easily on the android and/or
iphone?

You haven't tried Aftershock or HotDogEd yet? They're both available in the android play store.

Granted, neither of those are much for BBSing, but more for FTN messaging instead.

My third wish, is that BBS people would follow-up with their BBS dreams: Did you create a fido-style network just so you could kick back & jack
off to some 90s porn? Post some fucking messages, lazy asses!

I've been back in the BBS scene since 2004. My so-called "BBS dream" was to learn everything about FTN networking and test open source software (as well as
Mystic for awhile) for the people doing the work. Agoranet started in 2012 when
a couple other networks were fading into nothing. I've learned everything I needed to and the network runs smoothly without my intervention.

Not sure where the 90s porn stuff is all about, so I'll let you have that to yourself.

I created the network for friendly discussion among similar minded people. For most of the run, I wasn't needed to start threads. People did that on their own. Then other networks come around and others die down. Agoranet probably did
the same when it showed up. It happens.

However, I'm not going to start redundant threads just to spark up conversation. When someone wants to ask a question, or discuss something that interests them, they're more than welcome to do so.

Ok, I'm ready to be banned. No court-order will be necessary.. :(

For what?

Granted, if you'd like me to shut down the network on your accord because you think I'm some sort of lazy ass, I'll keep that in mind until I do decide to pull the plug.

Thanks for your insight.

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Regards,
Nick

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Hello Nicholas!

05 May 17 15:57, you wrote to metalhead:

Maybe. Unfortunately, these days 90% of what's left of the BBS scene
is not very active. When there's no good conversation here I open up
Steam and play some games instead.

The other thing is... we're all sick of each other. There's only a few active message posters and when you've hashed out the same conversation
a dozen times... where else can we go?

I know some are really busy with their careers, which I honestly

I work but I always find time for the BBS. May take me a day or two
but I'll get to it!

You haven't tried Aftershock or HotDogEd yet? They're both available
in the android play store.

That's the only way... Gotta go point based. I agree with you Nick. I've registered BOTH, plus the one for blackberry. Currently dont' use any.

nothing. I've learned everything I needed to and the network runs
smoothly without my intervention.

Agreed.

Shawn


... In comparison, there's no comparison.
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Where the fuck is the BBS Discussion?

Are you all sleeping?

Heh I WISH I could get some sleep :)

My first wish is that BBSs had more activity, and that's because BBS people often put meaningful thought into their posts & replies, in contrast to blog

commentators, or chat room assholes.

Yeah, I have at least one user that drops by both of my Wildcat! boards
on a daily basis to get his QWK mail and upload any replies (he usually
posts at least one per day, but I will take that *G*). I try to
participate as often as possible in both my own networks as well as
those that I carry on both systems.

My second wish, is that BBSs were more accessible. BBSing sucks with anythin

other than a desk/laptop. Wouldn't it be great if these conversations could be carried on more easily on the android and/or iphone?

Well, as far as echomail goes, there are apps that have that ability
for the Android OS.

My third wish, is that BBS people would follow-up with their BBS dreams: Did

you create a fido-style network just so you could kick back & jack off to some 90s porn? Post some fucking messages, lazy asses!

Again, I try to participate as much as I can :)

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on 05/05/17, Tiny said...

The other thing is... we're all sick of each other. There's only a few active message posters and when you've hashed out the same conversation
a dozen times... where else can we go?

Hash out Metallica and Jason Scott a dozen times and one!

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A27 (Windows)
* Origin: d i s t o r t i o n // d1st.org (46:1/145)

sometimes leave me rather tired the next day. Those 12 hour shifts can
be a bitch.

It's ok if you don't feel like you're in jail while at work. I did 3 12s at
a Walmart distro center, and those bastards never let you see the outside world. Then, the 4 day weekend seems like minutes.

How's the job? Labor-intensive? Boring-intensive?

Am I imagining things, or wasn't there a Syncterm port to Android or something?

I don't see that anywhere. I know that many BBSs are using fTelnet, the Rick Parrish thing, and that's cool, but until Alcoholiday starts using it, it's worthless to me. I need my BBS to have activity.. And doors really suck on fTelnet.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Raspberry Pi)
* Origin: Alcoholiday / Est. 1995 / alco.bbs.io (46:1/166)

much.. ;) Two weeks ago, I switched my complete ftn-setup from Mystic to BinkD+Husky+GoldEd - that's my kick! ;)

Sorry, I don't have a clue about what that means. Bink sounds like an ancient front end mailer, but I don't know about these terms!

Yeah, man! There is some special bbs telnet client for android, but it sucks bigtime... I always wonderes if I could make ftelnet

I've tried some telnet apps, but they were pretty bulky and difficult, for
me. Stuff never gets displayed properly, and the screen is just too small.

I think that for BBSing to be enjoyable on mobiles, everything will need to
be translated.. ansis need to be jpgs, and text needs to be converted to a
font that fits properly on the screen.

But also, it's not worth the effort. Someone could do all that work, and then still get little to no traffic on their boards.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Raspberry Pi)
* Origin: Alcoholiday / Est. 1995 / alco.bbs.io (46:1/166)

Granted, neither of those are much for BBSing, but more for FTN messaging instead.

It makes them kinda dry..

Not sure where the 90s porn stuff is all about, so I'll let you have

I relate decades with the evolution of porn.

However, I'm not going to start redundant threads just to spark up conversation. When someone wants to ask a question, or discuss something that interests them, they're more than welcome to do so.

I get that, and that explains it. I've always been a busybody with posting messages, but I can tell that it's time to give it a rest.

It's like, have sex for reproduction, not for recreation. :)

Granted, if you'd like me to shut down the network on your accord
because you think I'm some sort of lazy ass, I'll keep that in mind
until I do decide to pull the plug.

I didn't know you were the man behind Agoranet. Sorry about that. I didn't
mean to disrespect anyone. I will keep my non-essential chatter out of this network. And I sincerely wish you and Agoranet the best.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Raspberry Pi)
* Origin: Alcoholiday / Est. 1995 / alco.bbs.io (46:1/166)

On 05/06/17, metalhead inked down this thought...

How's the job? Labor-intensive? Boring-intensive?

Hahahah. I like that term 'Boring-intensive'. Although my work is far from
it. There are slow-periods that could be labeled as that. heh

|10Smooth|07<|11ACiD|08.|11b7|07>

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Windows)
* Origin: .{* iNK!2 // bbs.inktwo.com \\ agoranet *}. (46:1/183)

On 05/06/17, metalhead inked down this thought...

But also, it's not worth the effort. Someone could do all that work, and then still get little to no traffic on their boards.

From what I see so far the bbs scene needs to breathe NEW life into the
boards. Most of the people I'm seeing on the FTN networks are either SYSOPS
or people that have been on bbses in the past and have that nostalgic
feeling to return and enjoy their online experiences that they had in the
past.

Anonymity is something that we enjoy on bbses that a lot of the social
networks don't provide. I see a lot of BBS ads but who really gets to see them. When we used to have a TON of users in past years it made so much
sense to do so cause I'd be ONE of those guys that would constantly want to visit other boards. In fact I still do that today. I'm weird that way. But
I want to see what other SYSOPS have done to customize their boards. The uniqueness of each board made it always interesting for me to venture out to see what was out there.

Lately I've seen the lack of even ANSI artists logging on. The topics of
packs have been general art and not much on BBSes, BBS Software, and Doors. There's ample amount of stuff to draw for. Maybe it's the lack of
interesting NEW doors to play. There's also been the lack of ANSI artists running boards in this day and age too. I dunno. I remember that
was one of the main things that attracted us ANSI artists to logon was to
play door games. Interbbs gaming for sure could jumpstart any board's
user base.

A lot has to do with work and RL (real life). Many of us
have grown up and now have family or hobbies to keep us busy. I've actually introduced my girls to check out bbses and they'll in time become the
nextgen. It's a lot of work to advertise your board on the internet or
through our bbs message networks. But we all have to do our part to get the word out. I totally dig it that you decided to reach up and shake the
branches to get the leaves ruffled so people on here can respond.

|10Smooth|07<|11ACiD|08.|11b7|07>

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Windows)
* Origin: .{* iNK!2 // bbs.inktwo.com \\ agoranet *}. (46:1/183)

on 05/06/17, metalhead said...

sometimes leave me rather tired the next day. Those 12 hour shifts ca be a bitch.

It's ok if you don't feel like you're in jail while at work. I did 3 12s at a Walmart distro center, and those bastards never let you see the outside world. Then, the 4 day weekend seems like minutes.

I hear that. I just had a 4 day weekend and it just flew right by.

How's the job? Labor-intensive? Boring-intensive?

Both, actually. Without getting too deep into specifics I work with an event management company, so I'm either on the set-up or tear-down crew.. so we go
to the event, manage whatever rides we've set up, and tear it all down again. So there's like two or three hours of intense physical labor punctuated by hours of boredom/dealing with kids. Annoying, yes, but it's paying for certs
so it's all good.

I don't see that anywhere. I know that many BBSs are using fTelnet, the Rick Parrish thing, and that's cool, but until Alcoholiday starts using it, it's worthless to me. I need my BBS to have activity.. And doors really suck on fTelnet.

Hmmm. Guess I really did imagine it. Oh well. I wonder how hard it would be
to port Syncterm over with the Android NDK...

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A27 (Windows)
* Origin: d i s t o r t i o n // d1st.org (46:1/145)

on 05/06/17, metalhead said...

much.. ;) Two weeks ago, I switched my complete ftn-setup from Mystic BinkD+Husky+GoldEd - that's my kick! ;)

Sorry, I don't have a clue about what that means. Bink sounds like an ancient front end mailer, but I don't know about these terms!

Someone else probably already mentioned it, but... yeah, BinkD is one of the old-ass front end mailers like FrontDoor (or, more recently, InternetRex).

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A27 (Windows)
* Origin: d i s t o r t i o n // d1st.org (46:1/145)

Hahahah. I like that term 'Boring-intensive'. Although my work is far
from it. There are slow-periods that could be labeled as that. heh

Boring intensitive is what my previous job was: Being a security guard with
the lowest rank, being posted to stare at a door to make sure no human shall pass. It was so boring, that I couldn't handle the responsibility.

I had a teacher who explained about a job he had as a pea inspector, in a pea packing plant. He had to make sure the peas didn't jam up. I should have listened to that guy, but I became the equivalent of a pea inspected later on.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Raspberry Pi)
* Origin: Alcoholiday / Est. 1995 / alco.bbs.io (46:1/166)

Anonymity is something that we enjoy on bbses that a lot of the social

That is something I value too. The biggest social networks all require real names, and I think it's because of legal reasons, but I'm not sure. I'm
running an amateur social network, similar to a BBS, without asking for real names, email addresses, or any other incriminating information.

I think the users appreciate it. I understand why certain BBSs ask for real names, like for Fidonet, but it kinda sucks to hand it over to people I don't know.

networks don't provide. I see a lot of BBS ads but who really gets to
see them. When we used to have a TON of users in past years it made so

Many of the sysops these days prefer to keep the user base old-school, which
is understandable, but I think it deters us from truly having what we had in the old days, as far as activity goes.

their boards. The uniqueness of each board made it always interesting
for me to venture out to see what was out there.

I like that too. But now, I'm searching the web, looking for the most ass kicking websites. There are a few great artists in that area too. (Design,
and graphics) I was a design guy when I was a sysop, and now it's what I
focus on as a webmaster. (Not like I mastered anything yet.. still learning.)

Lately I've seen the lack of even ANSI artists logging on. The topics of packs have been general art and not much on BBSes, BBS Software, and

I killed the Red Dragon like 25 years ago, and I became a god (Usurper) last year, and all the other doors are boring to me. I've thought about writing
one, but I think the effort would be better spent on writing it in PHP, and offering it to the web, instead of just a bunch of 40-60 year old dudes. :)

have grown up and now have family or hobbies to keep us busy. I've

You lost me there. I think I sorta never grew up. I have kids, and take care
of them well, but I'm still glued to the computer in all my spare time, building skills, working on web stuff, waiting for new technology.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Raspberry Pi)
* Origin: Alcoholiday / Est. 1995 / alco.bbs.io (46:1/166)

tear it all down again. So there's like two or three hours of intense physical labor punctuated by hours of boredom/dealing with kids.
Annoying, yes, but it's paying for certs so it's all good.

It sounds like a nice job to me. It makes me happy to hear about a company
that entertains kids. Many kids live in shitty towns where there is just nothing for kids.

Hmmm. Guess I really did imagine it. Oh well. I wonder how hard it would be to port Syncterm over with the Android NDK...

Have you tried visiting a BBS via fTelnet on android? It's not bad on an android tablet, but it just really sucks on smaller screens. The keyboard
takes up more than half of the screen, and it doesn't auto-disappear like the typical android keyboard. (Not that you'd want it to anyway, for BBS stuff, because you need that thing constantly.) It would be cool if it had a quick-hide/show button.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Raspberry Pi)
* Origin: Alcoholiday / Est. 1995 / alco.bbs.io (46:1/166)

Someone else probably already mentioned it, but... yeah, BinkD is one of the old-ass front end mailers like FrontDoor (or, more recently, InternetRex).

I know, I tried setting up Bink, Front Door, and D'Bridge back in the old
days, but I was never able to figure that shit out. I was accepted into
Voidnet in the 90s, but I never had it working properly.

Now days, from what I understand, is that Mystic handles all the echomail
stuff for you - no need for other software. Is that true?

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Raspberry Pi)
* Origin: Alcoholiday / Est. 1995 / alco.bbs.io (46:1/166)

Hello metalhead!

09 May 17 01:09, you wrote to Digital Avatar:

Now days, from what I understand, is that Mystic handles all the
echomail stuff for you - no need for other software. Is that true?

That is true, but there is nothing stoping you from using 3rd party tools. My bbs runs on mystic, but the
mailer is Binkd.



Vorlon


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much.. ;) Two weeks ago, I switched my complete ftn-setup from
Mystic to BinkD+Husky+GoldEd - that's my kick! ;)

Sorry, I don't have a clue about what that means. Bink sounds like an ancient front end mailer, but I don't know about these terms!

Hehe.. And you ask me why I'm not writing much..? ;)
BinkD is a mailer daemon for transporting ftn (fido, agoranet, ...) mails to and from your uplink.
Husky is a suite for processing these mails. Tossing, Ticking, stuff...
GoldEd is a mail editor...
All three are ancient but still functional and more or less actively developed.

Yeah, man! There is some special bbs telnet client for android,
but it sucks bigtime... I always wonderes if I could make ftelnet

I've tried some telnet apps, but they were pretty bulky and difficult,
for me. Stuff never gets displayed properly, and the screen is just
too small.

The app, I was talking about, isn't at the playstore anymore, but there's a new
one called "ftelnet", which is exactly what I meant when suggesting making the existing webapp "ftelnet" a mobile app.. But it sucks.. ;)
It comes with its own keyboard and this just doesn't work all too good on a mobile phone... But it's an attempt and the author wrote it's still beta and he's trying to make it a usable app..
Screensize isn't an issue for me.. I have a 6 inch display and that's enough for mobile BBSing - at least for me..

I think that for BBSing to be enjoyable on mobiles, everything will
need to be translated.. ansis need to be jpgs, and text needs to be converted to a font that fits properly on the screen.

Yeah, well, no..
You just need a font supporting all the ansi characters.. There are a lot out there and ftelnet comes with one preinstalled. Display is no issue.

But also, it's not worth the effort. Someone could do all that work,
and then still get little to no traffic on their boards.

Then again: What's worth the effort anyway? We're talking about a nerd hobby on
nerd media.. ;) We're the nerds of the nerds.. ;)

I don't do all this to stem the tide of modern internet but for my own, personal nostalgia... We should be very clear about this being absolutely anachronistic and off course no "normal" person will ever again use BBS' for his daily communication and I even take this a step further by saying: It's good the way it is..! Come on..! Waiting and hoping several days for a netmail to arrive at its destination? Not being able to search all BBS' at once? Having
to rely on sysops spare time and taste when it comes to downloading new releases of anything?
No man - I like the internet the way is is today. This is just fun and yeah, off course it would be even more fun with some more callers and overall activity but I don't see this happen any time soon..
Maybe after WW3 but then we'ld also need to have ham radio.. ;)

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Raspberry Pi)
* Origin: Alcoholiday / Est. 1995 / alco.bbs.io (46:1/166)

Cheers,
Philipp


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on 05/09/17, metalhead said...

Anonymity is something that we enjoy on bbses that a lot of the socia

That is something I value too. The biggest social networks all require real names, and I think it's because of legal reasons, but I'm not sure.

It has nothing to do with legalities. There's nothing that requires them to
ask for a real name. The only reason they're doing it is because they want to be able to tell advertisers that the information they've gathered about you
is actually worth something, and so it can be correlated with offline data about you from a company like Datalogix so that you can be targeted with ads based on your offline behavior. That's literally why that shit is there.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A27 (Windows)
* Origin: d i s t o r t i o n // d1st.org (46:1/145)

on 05/09/17, metalhead said...

Hmmm. Guess I really did imagine it. Oh well. I wonder how hard it wo be to port Syncterm over with the Android NDK...

Have you tried visiting a BBS via fTelnet on android? It's not bad on an android tablet, but it just really sucks on smaller screens. The keyboard takes up more than half of the screen, and it doesn't auto-disappear
like the typical android keyboard. (Not that you'd want it to anyway,
for BBS stuff, because you need that thing constantly.) It would be cool if it had a quick-hide/show button.

On-screen keyboards are totally a mistake. People really need a proper
keyboard again. There's a reason people still buy Blackberry when they can.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A27 (Windows)
* Origin: d i s t o r t i o n // d1st.org (46:1/145)

On 5/10/2017 11:18 PM, Digital Avatar -> metalhead wrote:

On-screen keyboards are totally a mistake. People really need a proper keyboard again. There's a reason people still buy Blackberry when they

can.

wut do u mean? on-screen kbds r teh futre of idjits! :)

--
Regards,
Nick

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Didn't make it through the winter very well. :( All that snow and not being able to shovel
any off of the roof... Needing a new roof, a lot of boards replaced in the deck, and truck
loads of gravel as she sank about 3 feet into the wet soggy mud. :(

Haven't even plugged it in yet to see if the mice destroyed anything as well! ;) The
joys of a trailer eh? ;) Won't be enjoying it as long this year as this will take me
at least a month to get straight before we can stay there, but hey it's all fun if you
want it to be! ;)

Shawn


... A specified environmental conditions will always be exceeded.
--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20160322
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on 05/11/17, Nicholas Boel said...

On 5/10/2017 11:18 PM, Digital Avatar -> metalhead wrote:

On-screen keyboards are totally a mistake. People really need a prope keyboard again. There's a reason people still buy Blackberry when the

can.

wut do u mean? on-screen kbds r teh futre of idjits! :)

Your honor, the prosecution rests.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A27 (Windows)
* Origin: d i s t o r t i o n // d1st.org (46:1/145)

On 5/11/2017 10:44 AM, Shawn Highfield -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

Didn't make it through the winter very well. :( All that snow and not being able to shovel any off of the roof... Needing a new roof, a lot of boards replaced in the deck, and truck loads of gravel as she sank about
3 feet into the wet soggy mud. :(

Is your roof flat? Mine is kind of a dome shape where the middle is high and the sides are a good 6" or more lower.

Also, did you have a gravel driveway to park it on in the first place? If so, was it not enough or something?

I was told our driveway is about 14" of gravel, and I still have to find out for sure if we can keep it there for the winter.. but I don't see any sinking issues in the near future (at least hopefully).

Just seems like it went through a lot when it didn't have to. Do you own the land it's on? Or is it a rental site? And if a rental site, are they going to help you fix this with their insurance or are you screwed?

Haven't even plugged it in yet to see if the mice destroyed anything as well! ;) The joys of a trailer eh? ;) Won't be enjoying it as long this year as this will take me at least a month to get straight before we can stay there, but hey it's all fun if you want it to be! ;)

Ugh man. Sorry to hear. That really sucks.

The idea of upgrading the camper isn't slowly setting in, is it? :)

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Hello Nicholas!

12 May 17 06:53, you wrote to me:

Is your roof flat? Mine is kind of a dome shape where the middle is
high and the sides are a good 6" or more lower.

Yes it is, it's also very old. 1991 I believe is on the ownership though
at the current point in time I can't remember where I put it. (Hasn't moved since 1994 and couldn't be moved as a normal trailer now anyway - home fridge, stove etc.

Also, did you have a gravel driveway to park it on in the first place?
If so, was it not enough or something?

It's been parked on dirt since '94. The owners of the park now provide a proper gravel base, but when this trailer was parked there it was "up to you".

I spoke to the handyman on site, and he's going to drop off a trailer load
or 2 of gravel for me. So I'll get it shovelled underneith and using some patio stones and jacks / jack stands will get it levelled again.

Just seems like it went through a lot when it didn't have to. Do you
own the land it's on? Or is it a rental site? And if a rental site,
are they going to help you fix this with their insurance or are you screwed?

We have our own insurance. (This is Canada) However due to the age of
the trailer the deductible is the same price as just putting a new roof on without the yearly premium going up any higher. (It's already 5x what you
pay I'm sure as in Ontario the insurance company's run the fucking province) ($53 a month)

month to get straight before we can stay there, but hey it's all
fun if you want it to be! ;)

Ugh man. Sorry to hear. That really sucks.

It does.

The idea of upgrading the camper isn't slowly setting in, is it? :)

Andrea and I talked about it quickly... What it boils down to, I can
fix everything for no more then $2500 taxes included which would also
include an upgrade to a porcelain RV toilet. Where a replacment that
won't have problems anytime soon is at least $24,000 plus tax (13%) so
I am STRONGLY leaning towards fixing.

Be another week or two due to other issues before I can go back out
and either start work or figure it out. If we fix I can get everything
done by July first so we would still have the best 3.5 months of the
season out of it. (Park closes Thanksgiving weekend which is second
week of October in Canada)

If I buy a new one... I'd say about the same time frame by the time
they deliver it and the owner drags old one away and puts new one on
the lot. Possibly later as MANY of the trailers had issues this winter.

Shawn

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On 5/12/2017 3:13 PM, Shawn Highfield -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

Is your roof flat? Mine is kind of a dome shape where the middle is
high and the sides are a good 6" or more lower.

Yes it is, it's also very old. 1991 I believe is on the ownership

though

at the current point in time I can't remember where I put it. (Hasn't moved since 1994 and couldn't be moved as a normal trailer now anyway - home fridge, stove etc.

Oh, you rent the trailer also? I don't even know if things like that happens here.

Also, did you have a gravel driveway to park it on in the first place?
If so, was it not enough or something?

It's been parked on dirt since '94. The owners of the park now provide

a

proper gravel base, but when this trailer was parked there it was "up to you".

Ah, kinda grandfathered in then. How long have you been renting it?

I spoke to the handyman on site, and he's going to drop off a trailer load or 2 of gravel for me. So I'll get it shovelled underneith and using some patio stones and jacks / jack stands will get it levelled again.

There ya go. At least you can work with your hands. Seems to be a trait that's hard to come by these days. :)

Just seems like it went through a lot when it didn't have to. Do you
own the land it's on? Or is it a rental site? And if a rental site,
are they going to help you fix this with their insurance or are you
screwed?

We have our own insurance. (This is Canada) However due to the age of the trailer the deductible is the same price as just putting a new roof on without the yearly premium going up any higher. (It's already 5x what you pay I'm sure as in Ontario the insurance company's run the fucking province) ($53 a month)

Wow. Yeah I don't know exactly what I pay a month for insurance. But I think it's somewhere in the lines of like $150-$300 a year or something for full coverage.

The idea of upgrading the camper isn't slowly setting in, is it? :)

Andrea and I talked about it quickly... What it boils down to, I can
fix everything for no more then $2500 taxes included which would also include an upgrade to a porcelain RV toilet. Where a replacment that won't have problems anytime soon is at least $24,000 plus tax (13%) so
I am STRONGLY leaning towards fixing.

I suppose. While I don't mind getting my hands dirty and doing the work myself,
when it comes to my own things (ie: cars/trucks, campers, lawn mowers, etc) when they become "projects" where they always need to be worked on, I tend to get rid of them and buy new(er) to rid myself of the issues.

Don't forget, you could easily get a loan for a new camper and only pay like $100 for the next 15 years! LOL

Be another week or two due to other issues before I can go back out
and either start work or figure it out. If we fix I can get everything done by July first so we would still have the best 3.5 months of the season out of it. (Park closes Thanksgiving weekend which is second
week of October in Canada)

That shouldn't be too bad. You'll still get plenty of time to enjoy this year then. Our campgrounds also closes on Oct. 15, give or take when the weekend falls.

If I buy a new one... I'd say about the same time frame by the time
they deliver it and the owner drags old one away and puts new one on
the lot. Possibly later as MANY of the trailers had issues this winter.

Bad winter? I don't think we got a ton of snow here like we usually do, but it was definitely a cold one.

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Hello Nicholas!

13 May 17 07:07, you wrote to me:

Oh, you rent the trailer also? I don't even know if things like that happens here.

No we own the trailer... As things break I just replace them with home
model appliances as they are cheaper. ;)

Ah, kinda grandfathered in then. How long have you been renting it?

We bought the trailer 5 years ago.

There ya go. At least you can work with your hands. Seems to be a
trait that's hard to come by these days. :)

I'm not very handy, but I do my best.

to be worked on, I tend to get rid of them and buy new(er) to rid
myself of the issues.

I hate payments.

Don't forget, you could easily get a loan for a new camper and only
pay like $100 for the next 15 years! LOL

Yeah I hate payments... what if, what if, what if. Just keeps going
through my head. I currently owe $600 on a credit card and I can't sleep
at night. (I get paid on the 15'th of each month when assholes use a
debit / credit card so things are getting tight right about now)

I can't deal with owing people money.

Bad winter? I don't think we got a ton of snow here like we usually
do, but it was definitely a cold one.

We got a lot of snow, rain, freeze, thaw, freeze thaw etc.
We've been kicking around the idea of just giving up our lot... She put
the idea in my head last night and I'll be honest I thought about it all
day. Would be nice to do something else.. ie: in winter we could go to
a beach somewhere.

Shawn


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On 5/13/2017 3:33 PM, Tiny -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

Oh, you rent the trailer also? I don't even know if things like that
happens here.

No we own the trailer... As things break I just replace them with home model appliances as they are cheaper. ;)

Oh ok. You kept referencing "the owner" as a third party, so it confused me.

I hate payments.

Don't forget, you could easily get a loan for a new camper and only
pay like $100 for the next 15 years! LOL

Yeah I hate payments... what if, what if, what if. Just keeps going through my head. I currently owe $600 on a credit card and I can't sleep at night. (I get paid on the 15'th of each month when assholes use a
debit / credit card so things are getting tight right about now)

I can't deal with owing people money.

Understood. I'm a lot alike in the credit card realm. Had some $30k in credit card debt at one time when I was younger. Paid them all off at one point and never got any more credit cards again.

Now, if I don't have the cash, I don't buy.

Bad winter? I don't think we got a ton of snow here like we usually
do, but it was definitely a cold one.

We got a lot of snow, rain, freeze, thaw, freeze thaw etc.
We've been kicking around the idea of just giving up our lot... She put the idea in my head last night and I'll be honest I thought about it all day. Would be nice to do something else.. ie: in winter we could go to
a beach somewhere.

My parents have been tossing around that same idea (being snowbirds). Honestly,
the more and more I hear about it the nicer it's beginning to sound. lol

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Hello Nicholas!

14 May 17 15:48, you wrote to me:

Oh ok. You kept referencing "the owner" as a third party, so it
confused me.

the owner of the park is what I should have said. :)

Understood. I'm a lot alike in the credit card realm. Had some $30k in credit card debt at one time when I was younger. Paid them all off at
one point and never got any more credit cards again.

As I said I use mine the way one is supposed to use it. I get paid once
a month from the brokerage for any debit / credit cards / corporate accounts
so I use the card to get through the month and on the 15'th (today!) I
deposit my cheque and tomorrow I pay it off in full. 0 interest paid. ;)

Now, if I don't have the cash, I don't buy.

Totally agree. My cars may be shit, but their mine! ;)

My parents have been tossing around that same idea (being snowbirds). Honestly, the more and more I hear about it the nicer it's beginning
to sound. lol

'Aint that the truth? ;) Ah well... I'm going out tomorrow with a friend
to climb up a ladder and see what we can do on the cheap. He's got a couple good ideas involving a second roof on a slant... Let ya know. ;)

As for level that shouldn't be hard. Shit ton of stone shovelled under
there, couple patio stones and a couple of jacks will solve that.

Shawn

P.S I know this is in the wrong area, but I can't rememebr the key to quote reply in another area in golded, and my help file isn't working. hahaha

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On 5/15/2017 3:58 AM, Tiny -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

My parents have been tossing around that same idea (being snowbirds).
Honestly, the more and more I hear about it the nicer it's beginning
to sound. lol

'Aint that the truth? ;) Ah well... I'm going out tomorrow with a friend to climb up a ladder and see what we can do on the cheap. He's got a couple good ideas involving a second roof on a slant... Let ya know. ;)

Yeah definitely. Once you repair the existing roof, you could easily build a little lean-to over the top of the entire trailer with some sort of pitched roof for protection from this happening again.

As for level that shouldn't be hard. Shit ton of stone shovelled under there, couple patio stones and a couple of jacks will solve that.

Yeah, you'll basically just need to get it up off the ground so you can get the
stones under the tires as well. After that the leveling part is easy. I know it's old but does it still have it's own jacks on the corners? Obviously those are usually not strong enough to lift the trailer, but can be used in the leveling process. Otherwise, just get some cinder blocks with some shims.

My deck building process begins this week/weekend. I have all of the hardware I
need, just have to pick up the lumber later this week and take it up to the camper.

The only thing making it just a bit more of a challenge, is I'm trying to build
it in movable sections. So basically, my 10' x 16' deck is going to be made from two 8' x 10' platforms bolted together in the middle. That way if I ever have to move it I can easily take off a couple deck boards and un-bolt it, making two carry-able (and not considered "wide-load") sections. Also, for future expansion in case I ever want to, I'm setting it up so that if we ever want to build on to it, we can easily lift it up off the ground, add some posts
in the corners, and build a wrap-around stair off of it.

Should be interesting when my brother-in-law and father-in-law are there trying
to put in their ideas when I already have everything exactly how I want it laid
out in my own head. :)

P.S I know this is in the wrong area, but I can't rememebr the key to quote reply in another area in golded, and my help file isn't working. hahaha

This isn't Fidonet. You're not going to get your ass reamed out for posting in the wrong area. However, I believe ALT-N is to quote-reply in another area.

As for the help file, do you have gold_usr.txt in your manuals subdirectory? It's always a nice backup (I'm assuming you're referring to Golded's F1 in-program help) plan..

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Hello Nicholas!

15 May 17 07:14, you wrote to me:

build a little lean-to over the top of the entire trailer with some
sort of pitched roof for protection from this happening again.

Exactly what we're doing. Just have to do it small enough that it
looks like it belongs there. ;)

part is easy. I know it's old but does it still have it's own jacks on
the corners? Obviously those are usually not strong enough to lift the

There aren't any there and it may never have had them... It's not big at
14 feet long. Just how soft the darn ground got this year, get the stone
under there and a couple of cement blocks on each side and should be good
to go. (Been watching youtube videos for days now)

trailer, but can be used in the leveling process. Otherwise, just get
some cinder blocks with some shims.

Oh yeah!

My deck building process begins this week/weekend. I have all of the hardware I need, just have to pick up the lumber later this week and
take it up to the camper.

Very cool. I need 3 boards replaced in my deck so when you're done that
pop by. <Laugh>

ever want to, I'm setting it up so that if we ever want to build on to
it, we can easily lift it up off the ground, add some posts in the corners, and build a wrap-around stair off of it.

That's a great idea. Mine is 12 feet long, 10 feed wide, and then I added
a 12x12 square on one end for a gazebo with a screen. The 12x12 is the only part I chose, the rest came with the lot.

Should be interesting when my brother-in-law and father-in-law are
there trying to put in their ideas when I already have everything
exactly how I want it laid out in my own head. :)

Just say "Yes that sounds great!" and do whatever you want.

posting in the wrong area. However, I believe ALT-N is to quote-reply
in another area.

That's it. Thanks.

As for the help file, do you have gold_usr.txt in your manuals subdirectory? It's always a nice backup (I'm assuming you're referring
to Golded's F1 in-program help) plan..

On the windows box, I forgot to put it in place on this one. :)

Shawn


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On 5/16/2017 4:58 AM, Tiny -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

build a little lean-to over the top of the entire trailer with some
sort of pitched roof for protection from this happening again.

Exactly what we're doing. Just have to do it small enough that it
looks like it belongs there. ;)

That may be the hardest part. Small enough that it looks like it belongs there,
but strong enough to hold a snow load. ;)

part is easy. I know it's old but does it still have it's own jacks on
the corners? Obviously those are usually not strong enough to lift the

There aren't any there and it may never have had them... It's not big at 14 feet long. Just how soft the darn ground got this year, get the stone under there and a couple of cement blocks on each side and should be good to go. (Been watching youtube videos for days now)

Yeah, shouldn't be that big a deal at that size. Ours is a bit bigger (even needing a diesel to pull it without hassle), but comes with it's own jacks.. obviously not to be used for picking up the trailer, but only for leveling.

My deck building process begins this week/weekend. I have all of the
hardware I need, just have to pick up the lumber later this week and
take it up to the camper.

Very cool. I need 3 boards replaced in my deck so when you're done that pop by. <Laugh>

ever want to, I'm setting it up so that if we ever want to build on to
it, we can easily lift it up off the ground, add some posts in the
corners, and build a wrap-around stair off of it.

That's a great idea. Mine is 12 feet long, 10 feed wide, and then I added a 12x12 square on one end for a gazebo with a screen. The 12x12 is the only part I chose, the rest came with the lot.

I'm doing 16 feet long, and 10 feet deep. About the same size as the awning so it should fit under there nicely.

Should be interesting when my brother-in-law and father-in-law are
there trying to put in their ideas when I already have everything
exactly how I want it laid out in my own head. :)

Just say "Yes that sounds great!" and do whatever you want.

That about sums it up. ;)

As for the help file, do you have gold_usr.txt in your manuals
subdirectory? It's always a nice backup (I'm assuming you're referring
to Golded's F1 in-program help) plan..

On the windows box, I forgot to put it in place on this one. :)

Even with the F1 help in place, I usually just reference gold_ref.txt and gold_usr.txt in the manuals directory externally instead.

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Hello Nicholas!

16 May 17 06:54, you wrote to me:

That may be the hardest part. Small enough that it looks like it
belongs there, but strong enough to hold a snow load. ;)

Went with a system of removable boxes. All the water trails were
going into the a/c system. Built 3 boxes to cover the big vents, and
laid down some of that rubber tar stuff (designed for fixing trailer
roofs) on the cracks, seams, and etc.

Still have some left over spruce and plywood so I'm going to re
design my wifes flower garden for her and fancy that up.

not big at 14 feet long. Just how soft the darn ground got this

Yeah, shouldn't be that big a deal at that size. Ours is a bit bigger

I can't remember anything. It's 24 feet long (I measured it many times
while fixing roof and attempting to level)

(even needing a diesel to pull it without hassle), but comes with it's
own jacks.. obviously not to be used for picking up the trailer, but
only for leveling.

THe leveling went easy... the floor is wowed though so while the trailer
is level, it's not level if that makes any sense.

Even with the F1 help in place, I usually just reference gold_ref.txt
and gold_usr.txt in the manuals directory externally instead.

Got both where I can find them now. :) Thanks.

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On 5/18/2017 5:15 AM, Shawn Highfield -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

That may be the hardest part. Small enough that it looks like it
belongs there, but strong enough to hold a snow load. ;)

Went with a system of removable boxes. All the water trails were
going into the a/c system. Built 3 boxes to cover the big vents, and
laid down some of that rubber tar stuff (designed for fixing trailer roofs) on the cracks, seams, and etc.

Ah, so you went with option 3: Even cheaper fix!

Still have some left over spruce and plywood so I'm going to re
design my wifes flower garden for her and fancy that up.

If the wife's not happy, nobody's happy. ;)

(even needing a diesel to pull it without hassle), but comes with it's
own jacks.. obviously not to be used for picking up the trailer, but
only for leveling.

THe leveling went easy... the floor is wowed though so while the trailer is level, it's not level if that makes any sense.

Yeah I know what you mean. Our last trailer had a bowed/wowed floor. Not much you can do to fix that until it's time to upgrade. As long as the trailer is level and the appliances work, though.. you should be back in action.

Heading up to the lumber yard here in about 20 mins to get the stuff I need and
head to the campsite to build the deck. They'll have it ready for me to load up
when I get there.

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Hello Nicholas!

18 May 17 06:42, you wrote to me:

Ah, so you went with option 3: Even cheaper fix!

Yup yup! ;)

If the wife's not happy, nobody's happy. ;)

This will make her happy. At least I hope it will. I'm also
going to do a crap ton of yard work this year that should help.

Yeah I know what you mean. Our last trailer had a bowed/wowed floor.
Not much you can do to fix that until it's time to upgrade. As long as
the trailer is level and the appliances work, though.. you should be
back in action.

CUrrently everything working... hot water tank leaking like crazy so I
need to get that guy in, but I"m kind of hoping she'll just deal with that.

Heading up to the lumber yard here in about 20 mins to get the stuff I need and head to the campsite to build the deck. They'll have it ready
for me to load up when I get there.

Enjoy your weekend. Beautiful weather here wish I was going up myself.


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On 5/18/2017 3:07 PM, Tiny -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

This will make her happy. At least I hope it will. I'm also
going to do a crap ton of yard work this year that should help.

Blecch. I hate yard work, and do enough of it at home.

CUrrently everything working... hot water tank leaking like crazy so I need to get that guy in, but I"m kind of hoping she'll just deal with that.

Did you leave water in it over the winter? Have you looked into what's actually
leaking? Might just be a cheap fitting you can get at the hardware store.

Heading up to the lumber yard here in about 20 mins to get the stuff I
need and head to the campsite to build the deck. They'll have it ready
for me to load up when I get there.

Enjoy your weekend. Beautiful weather here wish I was going up myself.

Who said anything about the weekend? I'm back already, deck is built, firewood is moved from the front of the camper to a storage bin in the back, and I did a
few other not-so-important-but-needed-to-be-done things.

My son has a soccer tournament this weekend, along with baseball practice. So since I had the last couple days off I went up during the week so I wouldn't miss any of it.

Instead, everything up there should be nice and ready for next weekend (Memorial Day = 3 day weekend). ;)

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Hello Nicholas!

19 May 17 15:03, you wrote to me:

Blecch. I hate yard work, and do enough of it at home.

No yard at home, so I get to do it all there. ;)

Did you leave water in it over the winter? Have you looked into what's actually leaking? Might just be a cheap fitting you can get at the hardware store.

Yeah it's in the unit itself... I've been all over it with you tube
videos and everything. It /works/ it just leaks.

practice. So since I had the last couple days off I went up during the week so I wouldn't miss any of it.

Good stuff!

Instead, everything up there should be nice and ready for next weekend (Memorial Day = 3 day weekend). ;)

Ah yes our May long weekend doesn't line up. ;) This is our may long weekend
or as we say in Ontario the "May two four weekend" as you get 24 beers in a case
etc.

Shawn


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Re: Re: BBS Discussion
By: metalhead to Digital Avatar on Tue May 09 2017 01:05 am

Have you tried visiting a BBS via fTelnet on android? It's not bad on an android tablet, but it just really sucks on smaller screens. The keyboard takes up more than half of the screen, and it doesn't auto-disappear like the typical android keyboard. (Not that you'd want it to anyway, for BBS stuff, because you need that thing constantly.) It would be cool if it had a quick-hide/show button.

I agree, the fTelnet keyboard isn't great on a small screen. I used to have an iPod Touch a long time ago, and there was an app for iOS called iSSH that was fairly good for BBSes. I don't remember it having such an issue with its keyboard.. I've heard iSSH is no longer in the iOS app market though. It would be cool if something similar was available for Android though.. It seems fTelnet is the best I've seen for Android so far.

Nightfox

Re: BBS Discussion
By: Digital Avatar to metalhead on Thu May 11 2017 12:18 am

On-screen keyboards are totally a mistake. People really need a proper keyboard again. There's a reason people still buy Blackberry when they can.

I used to have an LG Optimus Slider, which was an Android phone with a physical keyboard - The screen would slide to the side to uncover the keyboard. I liked it, and I'm not sure why more phones aren't made with physical keyboards.

Nightfox

Android though.. It seems fTelnet is the best I've seen for Android so far.

I agree.

I love BBSs that offer fTelnet, because it's a nice concept to be able to BBS while on the go. But, I'd like to see BBSing retrofitted for the web in a
more enjoyable way, some day.

It would be cool if someone wrote a php script to handle Fidonet as networked internet forums - something that people could easily inject into their
website. Then, everyone could just visit a website with their normal mobile browser (no extra app) and read/reply to messages in the BBS world.

Do you get me? That would totally do the trick!

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keyboard. I liked it, and I'm not sure why more phones aren't made with physical keyboards.

I'd love to see an fTelnet BBS on a phone with a physical keyboard. I think that would solve the problem completely.

Does anyone have a phone with a physical keyboard? Or how about an iOS device with one? If you do, and you don't have flash player, get Puffin Browser and try it out. Puffin Browser has flash player built in, and works on all
devices.

It's been a while, but from what I can remember, BBS via fTelnet on iPad was just fine - doors and everything. It's just the phones where it's too small.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Raspberry Pi)
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on 06/02/17, Nightfox said...

I used to have an LG Optimus Slider, which was an Android phone with a physical keyboard - The screen would slide to the side to uncover the keyboard. I liked it, and I'm not sure why more phones aren't made with physical keyboards.

Because keyboard-free devices were a thing for a time and everybody hopped on the trend. The fact that it let them eliminate a part that would save them a couple bucks per unit just made it that much easier to justify. Now if you really want a keyboard they can sell it to you separately and jack the price
up knowing you have no idea you're being scammed. Sick, isn't it?

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A27 (Windows)
* Origin: d i s t o r t i o n // d1st.org (46:1/145)

On 03 Jun 17 00:01:41, Metalhead said the following to Nightfox:

It would be cool if someone wrote a php script to handle Fidonet as networke internet forums - something that people could easily inject into their website. Then, everyone could just visit a website with their normal mobile browser (no extra app) and read/reply to messages in the BBS world.

It would be cool... in theory.

But in reality, it would be something hated within months... due to spammers, trolls, that stupid short-hand text language, etc.

Internet message posts tend to not be quite the same in quality as Fido/Othernet posts.

Atreyu

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Re: Re: BBS Discussion
By: metalhead to Nightfox on Sat Jun 03 2017 12:01 am

Android though.. It seems fTelnet is the best I've seen for Android
so far.

I agree.

I love BBSs that offer fTelnet, because it's a nice concept to be able to BBS while on the go. But, I'd like to see BBSing retrofitted for the web in a more enjoyable way, some day.

There's an actual fTelnet app for Android too, so you don't have to visit a BBS's web site.

It would be cool if someone wrote a php script to handle Fidonet as networked internet forums - something that people could easily inject into their website. Then, everyone could just visit a website with their normal mobile browser (no extra app) and read/reply to messages in the BBS world.

Do you get me? That would totally do the trick!

Not quite sure what you mean.. Many modern BBS software packages have a web server, so with many BBSes that carry FidoNet, you can log into the BBS's web site and read the FidoNet forums there.

Nightfox

Re: BBS Discussion
By: Digital Avatar to Nightfox on Sat Jun 03 2017 12:37 am

the keyboard. I liked it, and I'm not sure why more phones aren't
made with physical keyboards.

Because keyboard-free devices were a thing for a time and everybody hopped on the trend. The fact that it let them eliminate a part that would save

Were? It seems like keyboard-free devices are the thing right now.. I haven't seen a smartphone with a physical keyboard for a long time. Even before I had my LG Optimus Slider, there weren't many smartphones I saw that had a physical keyboard. So I'm not sure most manufacturers are eliminating a part..

them a couple bucks per unit just made it that much easier to justify. Now if you really want a keyboard they can sell it to you separately and jack the price up knowing you have no idea you're being scammed. Sick, isn't it?

I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say it's a scam.. I suppose many people probably wouldn't care about having a physical keyboard, so the phone manufacturers are saving money by not including a physical keyboard and the associated mechanisms to include one on their phones.

Nightfox

On 06/03/17, metalhead inked down this thought...

I love BBSs that offer fTelnet, because it's a nice concept to be able
to BBS while on the go. But, I'd like to see BBSing retrofitted for the web in a more enjoyable way, some day.

It would be cool if someone wrote a php script to handle Fidonet as networked internet forums - something that people could easily inject
into their website. Then, everyone could just visit a website with their normal mobile browser (no extra app) and read/reply to messages in the
BBS world.

This can easily be done if and when more bbs systems transition the message bases to a more modern data repository like SQL or NO-SQL databases instead
of the old binary JAM/SQUISH bases. It'll be so much easier for programmers
who just pull data directly from SQL/NO-SQL databases to display directly to the web. We'll also have more flexibility of designing our interfaces then
as well. Speed would also be much faster as we can use caching interfaces.

|10Smooth|07<|11ACiD|08.|11b7|07>

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A33 (Windows/32)
* Origin: .{* iNK!2 // bbs.inktwo.com \\ agoranet *}. (46:1/183)

There's an actual fTelnet app for Android too, so you don't have to
visit a BBS's web site.

Wow! I just read the news on ftelnet.ca... I'm working on getting the app....

I bet Rick Parrish rocked it.. better than all this other crap that doesn't work well.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Raspberry Pi)
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On 05/06/17, metalhead said the following...

much.. ;) Two weeks ago, I switched my complete ftn-setup from Mystic BinkD+Husky+GoldEd - that's my kick! ;)

Sorry, I don't have a clue about what that means. Bink sounds like an ancient front end mailer, but I don't know about these terms!

actually, binkd is pretty new... you are thinking of the old binkleyterm
mailer which is from the frontdoor days... binkd is similar to binkleyterm in that it uses a text config file and the BSO outbound directory format...

aside from that, binkd is just another dumb mailer... dumb as in not intelligent like frontdoor with its dynamic routing and packing of
netmails... all that has to be done by your mail tosser and that's only done once whereas frontdoor does it all the time and even goes so far as to unpack already packed netmail to pack it for sending to a different system to follow another routing path if necessary...

BSO stands for "binkley style outbound" and it basically a simple
form of naming directories and files put into those directories...

the last major thing about binkd is that it brings a new TCP/IP networking oriented protocol to the table... old POTS mailers may be shimmed to be able
to handle telnet connections but that's generally it... binkd has its own protocol and rides beside the BBS instead of in front of it...

hth ;)

--- Mystic BBS v1.10 A57 (Windows)
* Origin: (46:1/132)

actually, binkd is pretty new... you are thinking of the old binkleyterm mailer which is from the frontdoor days... binkd is similar to

That's the one! I experimented with Binkleyterm, FrontDoor, and D'Bridge when
I was a kid. I never got any of that shit to work. The docs were really confusing to me at the time. Squish? Jam? Renemail? Ah, maybe just catch up on some BBS porn instead :)

Luckily, I had an incredible unix-junkie co-sysop who was able to make all kinds of computer stuff happen for me.

These days, it seems like it would be better to just can all these nets under one name, perhaps Fido. I know the original plan was very ambitious, but it's like a big empty warehouse now.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Raspberry Pi)
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Hello metalhead!

11 Jun 17 03:07, you wrote to wkitty42:

These days, it seems like it would be better to just can all these
nets under one name, perhaps Fido. I know the original plan was very

I would disagree with that... FIdonet is 95% old men who are dicks.
Othernets are where it's at.

Shawn

... An idea is not responsible for the people who believe in it.
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Re: BBS Discussion
By: Tiny to metalhead on Sun Jun 11 2017 05:54 pm

I would disagree with that... FIdonet is 95% old men who are dicks. Othernets are where it's at.

Shawn

Most men have dicks you punkass little shit!

... The poor man. He's completely unspoiled by failure.
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On 11 Jun 17 03:07:17, Metalhead said the following to Wkitty42:

These days, it seems like it would be better to just can all these nets unde one name, perhaps Fido. I know the original plan was very ambitious, but it' like a big empty warehouse now.

I strongly disagree as most operators of Othernets want nothing to do whatsoever with Fidonet. Some of the Fido crowd just completely tarnished the reputation beyond recovery. Its a dying network.

Atreyu

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Re: Re: BBS Discussion
By: Atreyu to Metalhead on Mon Jun 12 2017 12:26 pm

I strongly disagree as most operators of Othernets want nothing to do whatsoever with Fidonet. Some of the Fido crowd just completely tarnished the reputation beyond recovery. Its a dying network.

I don't look at FidoNet a whole lot, so I might not be very up on it. What was done to tarnish the reputation of FidoNet? Is it mainly that FidoNet is mostly grumpy people?

Nightfox

I would disagree with that... FIdonet is 95% old men who are dicks. Othernets are where it's at.

There's like 2 guys besides me who post in the political echos. They have a really longstanding conversation going on, and I try to butt-in, but they are kinda stuck on each other. :)

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I strongly disagree as most operators of Othernets want nothing to do whatsoever with Fidonet. Some of the Fido crowd just completely
tarnished the reputation beyond recovery. Its a dying network.

Ok, so fuck Fido, but maybe everyone get together under a new title? It would simplify the BBS experience a little.

I call Alco a lot, and the dude has all the nets, afaik, and probably most of the echos. But all these nets & echos seem like a pile of shit though,
kinda..

Each net has it's own "General Messages" type thing, I think they all have
"BBS Discussion," "Ansi Geekly," etc...

So it's like I read Fidonet, and it's like "Sup old dudes?" Then I jump to Dorenet & it's like "Sup Dream Master?" then I jump to Agoranet and I'm like "Sup liberals?"

But they all have about the same response: "Not much.."

We could largely replace all these nets with a net called something like "BBSnet: The legacy lives on!"

Then, the people who still cling on to their dying networks will eventually
let them evaporate, and those who are into posting/replying messages will prevail.

Do you need some acid to think like this? I probably had too much as a kid and am now permanently fucked as a result. :(

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Raspberry Pi)
* Origin: Alcoholiday / Est. 1995 / alco.bbs.io (46:1/166)

on 06/12/17, Atreyu said...

I strongly disagree as most operators of Othernets want nothing to do whatsoever with Fidonet. Some of the Fido crowd just completely
tarnished the reputation beyond recovery. Its a dying network.

FidoNet was always about control-freaks being control-freaks and shitting on anyone who wanted to have a conversation about anything remotely
controversial. Hell, they used to shit on Tom Jennings because he talked
about being gay in FidoNews, which rubbed bible beaters the wrong way.

That generation is gone, and I don't know who's left other than russians, but
I can't imagine it's improved much.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A27 (Windows)
* Origin: d i s t o r t i o n // d1st.org (46:1/145)

on 06/13/17, metalhead said...

I would disagree with that... FIdonet is 95% old men who are dicks. Othernets are where it's at.

There's like 2 guys besides me who post in the political echos. They
have a really longstanding conversation going on, and I try to butt-in, but they are kinda stuck on each other. :)

Just tell them you think Trump is Hitler, or Obama is Hitler, depending on
the orientation of the parties involved. That's a good start.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A27 (Windows)
* Origin: d i s t o r t i o n // d1st.org (46:1/145)

on 06/13/17, metalhead said...

We could largely replace all these nets with a net called something like "BBSnet: The legacy lives on!"

That would involve each party involved giving up their private fiefdom.
That's not going to happen. You're better off trying to gather the eyeballs instead of trying to reduce the number of things for them to look at.

Then, the people who still cling on to their dying networks will eventually let them evaporate, and those who are into posting/replying messages will prevail.

Yes, because the success of Facebook and Twitter means no one will ever go to any other website ever. </sarcasm>

Do you need some acid to think like this? I probably had too much as a
kid and am now permanently fucked as a result. :(

No, just a lack of understanding of what drives people to build and maintain networks in the first place. You're trying to use reason to solve a psychological problem.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A27 (Windows)
* Origin: d i s t o r t i o n // d1st.org (46:1/145)

On 06/12/17, Atreyu pondered and said...

These days, it seems like it would be better to just can all these nets one name, perhaps Fido. I know the original plan was very ambitious, bu like a big empty warehouse now.

I strongly disagree as most operators of Othernets want nothing to do whatsoever with Fidonet. Some of the Fido crowd just completely
tarnished the reputation beyond recovery. Its a dying network.

For what it's worth as an Othernet operator I don't mind interacting with
Fido and still support it, heck I'm a RC for my country in Fido parlance..
but I have found some active members in that network are not that welcoming as I kinda hoped they could be to new names that pop up from time to time.

So I agree that kind of behavior does little to engender a positive image to the network. While I do post in Fido from time to time I'm mostly focused on
my Othernet and trying to help folks involved in that with their BBS
interests.

Its a dying network.

There are certainly folks active in that network, and have been active for a long time, that have that view and espouse it from time to time. If you're someone new to the network and reading that it certainly does little to
install confidence in the longevity of the community you just joined or the perceptions of the mindsets of those still active.


Fun and games eh?

Best, Paul

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A33 (Windows/32)
* Origin: Agency BBS | telnet://agency.bbs.geek.nz (46:3/203)

On 06/13/17, metalhead pondered and said...

There's like 2 guys besides me who post in the political echos. They
have a really longstanding conversation going on, and I try to butt-in, but they are kinda stuck on each other. :)

I have this view in my mind of those two old guys from the Muppet Show now :)

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A33 (Windows/32)
* Origin: Agency BBS | telnet://agency.bbs.geek.nz (46:3/203)

On 06/13/17, metalhead pondered and said...

I call Alco a lot, and the dude has all the nets, afaik, and probably
most of the echos. But all these nets & echos seem like a pile of shit though, kinda..

Each net has it's own "General Messages" type thing, I think they all
have "BBS Discussion," "Ansi Geekly," etc...

So it's like I read Fidonet, and it's like "Sup old dudes?" Then I jump
to Dorenet & it's like "Sup Dream Master?" then I jump to Agoranet and
I'm like "Sup liberals?"

Sounds like you're talking about fragmentation of a smaller pool of active message network participants across multiple networks.

But they all have about the same response: "Not much.."

We could largely replace all these nets with a net called something like "BBSnet: The legacy lives on!"

Then, the people who still cling on to their dying networks will eventually let them evaporate, and those who are into posting/replying messages will prevail.

The Othernet I run I would not classify as dying. I think the answer does not lye in another network for the sake of it. It lyes in the echos and networks those still active choose to post in.

Do you need some acid to think like this? I probably had too much as a
kid and am now permanently fucked as a result. :(

Hope not. :)

Best, Paul

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A33 (Windows/32)
* Origin: Agency BBS | telnet://agency.bbs.geek.nz (46:3/203)

On 12 Jun 17 11:48:03, Nightfox said the following to Atreyu:

I strongly disagree as most operators of Othernets want nothing to do whatsoever with Fidonet. Some of the Fido crowd just completely tarnish the reputation beyond recovery. Its a dying network.

I don't look at FidoNet a whole lot, so I might not be very up on it. What done to tarnish the reputation of FidoNet? Is it mainly that FidoNet is mos grumpy people?

I wouldn't say its "grumpy people" but mostly folks that come from the days of mainframes, CP/M and 80's tech, who are now retired with nothing better to do with themselves. Some may have had management positions in their careers.

When Fido began to grow by leaps & bounds, many bad politics began to surface and some feelings were hurt amongst some very technical people with the growing pains. But I think the biggest on the surface, would be the
censorship.

Its sad that something started by a gay anarchist turned into something where if you swear in an echo, you are threatened with a feed cut or some other draconian action.

It was not too long ago that an entire echo was placed on "read only" status which then triggered a massive shift in the way echomail is distributed.

Atreyu

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On 13 Jun 17 00:11:43, Metalhead said the following to Atreyu:

I strongly disagree as most operators of Othernets want nothing to do whatsoever with Fidonet. Some of the Fido crowd just completely tarnished the reputation beyond recovery. Its a dying network.

Ok, so fuck Fido, but maybe everyone get together under a new title? It woul simplify the BBS experience a little.

Operators of Othernets started their nets for a reason... a net of their own.

We could largely replace all these nets with a net called something like "BBSnet: The legacy lives on!"

I admire your enthusiasm, but the hobby is dying. Most people that join nets these days to get node numbers do so, because they decided to fire up their old board or try some new stuff like Mystic and see what its like. Not many end up staying for the long haul. I've seen MANY come and go over the
years. Its like its all about reliving the nostalgia but its a fleeting moment.

Atreyu

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
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On 13 Jun 17 00:57:32, Digital Avatar said the following to Atreyu:

I strongly disagree as most operators of Othernets want nothing to do whatsoever with Fidonet. Some of the Fido crowd just completely tarnished the reputation beyond recovery. Its a dying network.

FidoNet was always about control-freaks being control-freaks and shitting o anyone who wanted to have a conversation about anything remotely controversial. Hell, they used to shit on Tom Jennings because he talked about being gay in FidoNews, which rubbed bible beaters the wrong way.

Exactly this. Its people who had successful careers in telecom and IT back in the 70's and 80's and now retired with nothing better to do. They came from positions of authority, so why not exert that authority on this technology that they are a part of. A good example is censoring echoes or trying to "ban" users over perceived offensive messages.

That generation is gone, and I don't know who's left other than russians, b I can't imagine it's improved much.

The Russians do it for shits & giggles mostly, nothing overtly serious. They can't even route Netmail properly.

Atreyu

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
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On 06/13/17, metalhead considered the following...

I would disagree with that... FIdonet is 95% old men who are dicks. Othernets are where it's at.

So funny. Way back (as I'm sure many will remember), in the 80's when I first set Fido up on my BBS (a verrrry complicated task), most of the verbal users appeared to be old men who were dicks. They seemed to like spouting the
'rulez' of the echo constantly. Fidonet was busier, but there were more old dicks still alive then. After all these years, not sure if you can change it.

<grin>

Mick

Central Ontario Remote BBS
Telnet: oxfordmi.synchro.net

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A33 (Windows/32)
* Origin: Central Ontario Remote (46:1/186)

On 6/12/2017 11:11 PM, metalhead -> Atreyu wrote:

So it's like I read Fidonet, and it's like "Sup old dudes?" Then I jump to Dorenet & it's like "Sup Dream Master?" then I jump to Agoranet and I'm like "Sup liberals?"

But they all have about the same response: "Not much.."

Most likely you're asking the wrong questions (with the ones you've mentioned above), and people just don't care to respond to you.

I'm not sure I know of any die-hard liberals in this network. If there were they would be preaching the other side of the argument just as much as you like
to push your opinion on everyone. Your preaching has far outweighed anything I've seen in Agoranet since it's inception in 2012, politically. As a matter of
fact, there wasn't much political discussion at all in this network before you started it what, about a year ago?

Or do you just label people liberals because they don't agree with you 100% on your pro-Trump rants?

Personally, I think both sides are corrupt, and have been for quite some time. If you want to label me a liberal because of that, it just continues to show the ignorance of the whole 'being on one side of the fence' mantra all the sheep like to follow.

--
Regards,
Nick

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On 06/13/17, Atreyu said the following...

Its sad that something started by a gay anarchist turned into something where if you swear in an echo, you are threatened with a feed cut or
some other draconian action.

Yeah, that always puzzled me. FidoNet seemed to be about control freaks exalting in exerting control over their little fiefdoms. It was a rude awakening for many of them when they started getting connected to the (much larger and far more advanced) Internet and doing things like picking up
USENET news feeds. If you saw someone posting from an address that looked
like it might be a BBS, you were wise to take anything posted with a large chunk of rock salt; it was likely to be technically wrong and probably annoyingly controlling. BBS system operators used to post on USENET telling people not to use curse words or whatever and then jaw at one another to just "get them blacklisted from their BBS." Trust me, among news admins and Unix systems people this was hilarious but really left a bad impression.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A33 (Windows/32)
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on 06/13/17, Avon said...

On 06/13/17, metalhead pondered and said...

There's like 2 guys besides me who post in the political echos. They have a really longstanding conversation going on, and I try to butt-i but they are kinda stuck on each other. :)

I have this view in my mind of those two old guys from the Muppet Show
now :)

"So this is what FidoNet has come to?"
"Don't you mean Fight-o-Net?"
"OHHHH-HO-HO-HO-HO!"

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A27 (Windows)
* Origin: d i s t o r t i o n // d1st.org (46:1/145)

on 06/13/17, Atreyu said...

When Fido began to grow by leaps & bounds, many bad politics began to surface and some feelings were hurt amongst some very technical people with the growing pains. But I think the biggest on the surface, would be the censorship.

Censorship is generally what drove the creation of Othernets, but there was other shit ... like RCs acting like petty tyrants and certain parties trying
to shove IFNA down our collective throats.

Its sad that something started by a gay anarchist turned into something where if you swear in an echo, you are threatened with a feed cut or
some other draconian action.

Fucking bibliolatrous christfags.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A27 (Windows)
* Origin: d i s t o r t i o n // d1st.org (46:1/145)

on 06/13/17, Atreyu said...

on this technology that they are a part of. A good example is censoring echoes or trying to "ban" users over perceived offensive messages.

Yeah. Nothing's changed, then. Same old dumb shit.

I wonder what Tom's doing these days...

The Russians do it for shits & giggles mostly, nothing overtly serious. They can't even route Netmail properly.

...how can you fuck up Netmail routing?

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on 06/13/17, Mickey said...

there were more old dicks still alive then. After all these years, not sure if you can change it.

You can't, really. They just move on to Reddit and Wikipedia and pull the
same rules lawyering crap they do everywhere else.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A27 (Windows)
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$ Nicholas Boel was quoted saying . . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Most likely you're asking the wrong questions (with the ones you've
mentioned above), and people just don't care to respond to you.

I'm not sure I know of any die-hard liberals in this network. If there
were they would be preaching the other side of the argument just as much
as you like to push your opinion on everyone. Your preaching has far outweighed anything I've seen in Agoranet since it's inception in 2012, politically. As a matter of fact, there wasn't much political discussion
at all in this network before you started it what, about a year ago?

Or do you just label people liberals because they don't agree with you
100% on your pro-Trump rants?

Personally, I think both sides are corrupt, and have been for quite some time. If you want to label me a liberal because of that, it just continues
to show the ignorance of the whole 'being on one side of the fence' mantra all the sheep like to follow.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Ya, and i'm sure most of the ranting the label crap just turns everyone off, once people start spouting that shit then it's like why even bother replying.

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On 6/14/2017 4:40 AM, Mercyful Fate -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

Ya, and i'm sure most of the ranting the label crap just turns everyone off, once people start spouting that shit then it's like why even
bother replying.

Eeeeeeeexactly. ;)

These days the people that rant like that are usually fairly impossible to give
any other kind of opinion that doesn't magically match theirs 100% without getting into some kind of ridiculous argument that amounts to nothing anyways.

That's usually when the name calling starts.

--
Regards,
Nick

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I have this view in my mind of those two old guys from the Muppet Show
now :)

They are like those guys! And similarly, I can't recall their names :(

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Raspberry Pi)
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Most likely you're asking the wrong questions (with the ones you've mentioned above), and people just don't care to respond to you.

Most likely not, fuckface. Just because I'm not a Hillary supporter doesn't mean I'm stupid. Go fuck yourself.

I'm not sure I know of any die-hard liberals in this network. If there

There are. You're just way too ignorant to admit it. Go back a few messages. You didn't say shit until I said "What's up liberals?" So, you are the definition of the dick you're trying to paint me to look like.

Fuck you Nicholas Boel. I will definitely stay the fuck out of Hillarynet
from now on. You can go back to blackcocks.com and relax yourself.

How am I forcing my opinion on people? Suck another dick, fucker.

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On 06/14/17, metalhead considered the following...

They are like those guys! And similarly, I can't recall their names :(

Statler and Waldorf. :-)

Mick

Central Ontario Remote BBS
Telnet: oxfordmi.synchro.net

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A33 (Windows/32)
* Origin: Central Ontario Remote (46:1/186)

On 6/14/2017 10:36 PM, metalhead -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

Most likely you're asking the wrong questions (with the ones you've
mentioned above), and people just don't care to respond to you.

Most likely not, fuckface. Just because I'm not a Hillary supporter doesn't mean I'm stupid. Go fuck yourself.

It doesn't matter who you support. Your drunken rants here have proved you can be pretty stupid at times.

I'm not sure I know of any die-hard liberals in this network. If there

There are. You're just way too ignorant to admit it. Go back a few messages. You didn't say shit until I said "What's up liberals?" So, you

are the

definition of the dick you're trying to paint me to look like.

I said something because you start by labeling people you don't even know! Can you get that through your thick skull?

Fuck you Nicholas Boel. I will definitely stay the fuck out of Hillarynet from now on. You can go back to blackcocks.com and relax yourself.

If you're going to act like this, please do. At this point, nobody but yourself
is looking stupid - which is most likely why you're not getting many replies.

How am I forcing my opinion on people? Suck another dick, fucker.

You say what you want to say, and when someone disagrees with you or has a different opinion, they get a message like this in return. Atta boy!

Nobody is painting you, but yourself.

--
Regards,
Nick

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On 06/14/17, Nicholas Boel inked down this thought...

These days the people that rant like that are usually fairly impossible
to give any other kind of opinion that doesn't magically match theirs
100% without getting into some kind of ridiculous argument that amounts
to nothing anyways.

That's usually when the name calling starts.

I agree totally with this. :D I just skim over those posts and move on to another more interesting read.

|10Smooth|07<|11ACiD|08.|11b7|07>

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On 06/14/17, metalhead inked down this thought...

I have this view in my mind of those two old guys from the Muppet Sho now :)

They are like those guys! And similarly, I can't recall their names :(

Their names were Statler and Waldorf, those two critics in the balcony seats
at some theater.

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On 06/15/17, Smooth pondered and said...

I agree totally with this. :D I just skim over those posts and move on to another more interesting read.

+1

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On 13 Jun 17 21:26:43, Tenser said the following to Atreyu:

Its sad that something started by a gay anarchist turned into something where if you swear in an echo, you are threatened with a feed cut or some other draconian action.

Yeah, that always puzzled me. FidoNet seemed to be about control freaks exalting in exerting control over their little fiefdoms. It was a rude awakening for many of them when they started getting connected to the (much larger and far more advanced) Internet and doing things like picking up USENET news feeds. If you saw someone posting from an address that looked

The control freaks still like to have their way in a few echoes. Especially the dead ones. Posting monthly "rules" in some vain attempt to keep things alive. For example, there are several BBS echoes that are just outright dead... but attempting to politely suggest a consolodation and you get flamed.

A lot of the censorship mentality was along the lines of, well, you're a guest in my home so you better take your shoes off at the door ala no swearing, etc etc.

I know for a fact some echoes are moderated by folks who like to keep things squeaky clean but behind the scenes they curse like sailors.

Atreyu

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On 14 Jun 17 00:13:02, Digital Avatar said the following to Atreyu:

When Fido began to grow by leaps & bounds, many bad politics began to surface and some feelings were hurt amongst some very technical people with the growing pains. But I think the biggest on the surface, would the censorship.

Censorship is generally what drove the creation of Othernets, but there was other shit ... like RCs acting like petty tyrants and certain parties tryin to shove IFNA down our collective throats.

Yup, along with censoring an entire echo in 2010 if I recall for a whole zone as "read only" because they did not like the messages that were posted by one person. This also extended to another person from Australia who drew the ire of a major Fido hub to start censoring his posts as well.

I'm only still part of Fido because a lot of people use software I develop, if it wasn't for that I would probably of left a long time ago.

Its sad that something started by a gay anarchist turned into somethin where if you swear in an echo, you are threatened with a feed cut or some other draconian action.

Fucking bibliolatrous christfags.

I've had feed cut requests sent to me for downlinks of mine. Ask Tiny about that one and how that turned out, haha

Atreyu

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On 14 Jun 17 00:15:11, Digital Avatar said the following to Atreyu:

on this technology that they are a part of. A good example is censorin echoes or trying to "ban" users over perceived offensive messages.

Yeah. Nothing's changed, then. Same old dumb shit.

I wonder what Tom's doing these days...

Probably long retired and amazed/baffled that Fido still exists...

The Russians do it for shits & giggles mostly, nothing overtly serious They can't even route Netmail properly.

...how can you fuck up Netmail routing?

That is what the Z2C of Fido tells me and I do not doubt his word...

Atreyu

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On 14 Jun 17 23:36:17, Metalhead said the following to Nicholas Boel:

How am I forcing my opinion on people? Suck another dick, fucker.

Calm down, have some dip.

Atreyu

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On 15 Jun 17 14:00:44, G00R00 said the following to Tiny:

I would disagree with that... FIdonet is 95% old men who are dicks. Othernets are where it's at.

This x 1000, sadly.

I've considered just dropping FidoNet entirely recently, because 99% of the douche-baggery I have to deal with is sourced from Fido people.

I've contemplated the same thing and I've developed software for that stupid network over the years.

Atreyu

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Yup, along with censoring an entire echo in 2010 if I recall for a whole zone as "read only" because they did not like the messages that were posted by one person. This also extended to another person from

If I am not mistaken, they did something like this to the MYSTIC echo a few years back, because some of us didn't agree with someone else's opinion.

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I've considered just dropping FidoNet entirely recently, because 99% of douche-baggery I have to deal with is sourced from Fido people.

I've contemplated the same thing and I've developed software for that stupid network over the years.

Thankfully, people like Nick (and several othernets too) give us a mostly sane and well managed place to go. It really helps to combat the frustration of the bat-shit Fido stuff that I've encountered in the past.

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Hello g00r00!

15 Jun 17 14:00, you wrote to me:

I've considered just dropping FidoNet entirely recently, because 99%
of the douche-baggery I have to deal with is sourced from Fido people.

Don't blame you. But listen I once donated $5 to you, so I demand you port mystic to my commodore 64 and have it done in 3 days. Better be easy to install
work out of the box and come with my ansi screens. EARN your money g00!!!!!!!

Shawn

P.S. I'm going to put my standard facebook disclaimer here. This is to be taken
as a funny message, not as a serious one. While I know g00r00 will take it as such
this disclaimer is for any new sysops who may not understand my humour.

... Golf is a walk, spoiled.
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Hello Atreyu!

16 Jun 17 12:16, you wrote to Tenser:

I know for a fact some echoes are moderated by folks who like to keep things squeaky clean but behind the scenes they curse like sailors.

I jsut de listed all of the idiots echo's which is why you won't see me in dbridge echo anymore. I can't handle him showing me his penis all the time over
nothing.

Shawn


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Hello Atreyu!

16 Jun 17 12:19, you wrote to Digital Avatar:

I've had feed cut requests sent to me for downlinks of mine. Ask Tiny about that one and how that turned out, haha

I tell everyone who wants a fido connection to contact you. ;) While I've removed myself from his echo's, I know if I wanted I could just send a areafix message and be connected to the fun all over again. ;)

Shawn


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Re: BBS Discussion
By: Digital Avatar to Atreyu on Tue Jun 13 2017 12:57 am

FidoNet was always about control-freaks being control-freaks and shitting on anyone who wanted to have a conversation about anything remotely

I had my old BBS in the 90s on FidoNet for its last couple of years, and for a little while I had an uplink who would get pissed at me when my BBS was busy too much when his called mine or some such.. I switched back to another uplink I had used before who was pretty cool about things. I thought it was rather silly. My current BBS is on FidoNet, and I haven't really had issues with my uplinks. I don't read FidoNet much though..

Nightfox

Re: BBS Discussion
By: Digital Avatar to metalhead on Tue Jun 13 2017 12:58 am

Just tell them you think Trump is Hitler, or Obama is Hitler, depending on the orientation of the parties involved. That's a good start.

What I think is funny is that both parties have compared the other candidate to Hitler in some form. I tend to stay out of political conversations because they usually don't tend to go anywhere.

Nightfox

on 06/14/17, metalhead said...

I have this view in my mind of those two old guys from the Muppet Sho now :)

They are like those guys! And similarly, I can't recall their names :(

Pretty sure I mentioned it already, but, Stadler & Waldorf. (Yeah,
they're named after the hotels.)

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on 06/16/17, Atreyu said...

Probably long retired and amazed/baffled that Fido still exists...

Hmm. Per Wikipedia...working at UC Irvine and Calarts. Yeah, I think he made some comment about being baffled it was still around in a certain loudmouth's documentary.

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on 06/16/17, Nightfox said...

Just tell them you think Trump is Hitler, or Obama is Hitler, dependi the orientation of the parties involved. That's a good start.

What I think is funny is that both parties have compared the other candidate to Hitler in some form. I tend to stay out of political conversations because they usually don't tend to go anywhere.

At this point I only get involved to troll everyone involved, since generally everyone involved's a fucking moron who knows fuck all about their candidate, the issues, their background, political theory, anything requiring an IQ
higher than their shoe size, etc. It's really easy to get them wound up and provides hours of entertainment.

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On 16 Jun 17 13:48:19, G00R00 said the following to Atreyu:

Yup, along with censoring an entire echo in 2010 if I recall for a whol zone as "read only" because they did not like the messages that were posted by one person. This also extended to another person from

If I am not mistaken, they did something like this to the MYSTIC echo a few years back, because some of us didn't agree with someone else's opinion.

Yup... and Fidonews...

Atreyu

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On 16 Jun 17 13:49:20, G00R00 said the following to Atreyu:

I've contemplated the same thing and I've developed software for that stupid network over the years.

Thankfully, people like Nick (and several othernets too) give us a mostly sa and well managed place to go. It really helps to combat the frustration of bat-shit Fido stuff that I've encountered in the past.

Its not so much that I really mind dealing with the Fido crowd, its just
that it eventually turns into such a douchefest. Its a culture clash or a language clash, or a I'll-fix-shit-whenever-I-feel-like-it clash.

You're lucky because people who run your shit are cool.... at least for the most part. They get that its BBS software and it can do cool things. You get the odd weiner here and there. Most people running my shit are old-timers. I have to be VERY careful with how I clarify things, or not getting baited by trolls who like to think they know everything about how mailer software works.

Atreyu

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On 16 Jun 17 14:15:50, Tiny said the following to Atreyu:

I know for a fact some echoes are moderated by folks who like to keep things squeaky clean but behind the scenes they curse like sailors.

I jsut de listed all of the idiots echo's which is why you won't see me in dbridge echo anymore. I can't handle him showing me his penis all the time over
nothing.

I hear ya... but its not as if any "real" action can be taken though...

Atreyu

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On 16 Jun 17 22:30:38, Digital Avatar said the following to Atreyu:

on 06/16/17, Atreyu said...

Probably long retired and amazed/baffled that Fido still exists...

Hmm. Per Wikipedia...working at UC Irvine and Calarts. Yeah, I think he mad some comment about being baffled it was still around in a certain loudmouth documentary.

Ahhhh... would that be Jason Scott?

Yes, I was disappointed the Toronto BBS scene did not get any coverage, and
he completely and totally ignored the European demographic.

Atreyu

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Atreyu wrote to Metalhead <=-

I strongly disagree as most operators of Othernets want nothing to do whatsoever with Fidonet. Some of the Fido crowd just completely
tarnished the reputation beyond recovery. Its a dying network.

I'd love to see a Fidonet culling - get rid of any echoes that haven't
had postings in 3 years, and send a ping out to every board in the
nodelist. Don't respond to three pings? Take them out of the nodelist.

I'd hope that a Fidonet nodelist and echolist that accurately
reflected active nodes and message areas would feel like a different
place.





... Have you ever seen anything like this place?
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Mickey wrote to metalhead <=-

So funny. Way back (as I'm sure many will remember), in the 80's when I first set Fido up on my BBS (a verrrry complicated task), most of the verbal users appeared to be old men who were dicks. They seemed to like spouting the 'rulez' of the echo constantly.

One of my first Fido experiences was in '90, when the person
responsible for bringing echomail into the region wanted the region to
pay for a cost-recovery project to offset phone charges (plausible)
and pay for a dedicated system and high-speed modem for him to use to
download the echomail (less so)

Back then there were hundreds of systems polling long-distance.

It ended up causing quite a kerfluffle, with lots of threats of
dropping echomail for the region.




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Digital Avatar wrote to Atreyu <=-

I wonder what Tom's doing these days...

http://www.sensitiveresearch.com/about/resume.html





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Atreyu wrote to Tenser <=-

The control freaks still like to have their way in a few echoes. Especially the dead ones. Posting monthly "rules" in some vain attempt
to keep things alive. For example, there are several BBS echoes that
are just outright dead... but attempting to politely suggest a consolodation and you get flamed.

You, too? :)

I know for a fact some echoes are moderated by folks who like to keep things squeaky clean but behind the scenes they curse like sailors.

There are moderators nowadays that appear to do so primarily to have
the last word in any argument. When discussions start to not go their
way or their behavior is questioned, they cut the discussion short,
assert their power and force it to netmail. One in particular.



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Hello Atreyu!

16 Jun 17 22:57, you wrote to G00R00:

Its not so much that I really mind dealing with the Fido crowd, its
just that it eventually turns into such a douchefest. Its a culture
clash or a language clash, or a I'll-fix-shit-whenever-I-feel-like-it clash.

You're lucky because people who run your shit are cool.... at least
for the most part. They get that its BBS software and it can do cool things. You get the odd weiner here and there. Most people running my
shit are old-timers. I have to be VERY careful with how I clarify
things, or not getting baited by trolls who like to think they know everything about how mailer software works.

Atreyu

We don't like that kind of language STOP IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!

Notice I quoted the whole thing so you don't know what my problem with it is? LOL!

Shawn


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Hello Atreyu!

16 Jun 17 22:58, you wrote to me:

I hear ya... but its not as if any "real" action can be taken
though...

Nope... If I was on speaking terms to the queen bee I'd register a new D'Bridge support echo.

Shawn


... Its not the size of the ship, its the size of the waves.
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on 06/16/17, Atreyu said...

Hmm. Per Wikipedia...working at UC Irvine and Calarts. Yeah, I think h some comment about being baffled it was still around in a certain loud documentary.

Ahhhh... would that be Jason Scott?

Is there another loudmouth who did a BBS documentary?

Yes, I was disappointed the Toronto BBS scene did not get any coverage, and he completely and totally ignored the European demographic.

He ignored a lot of things. The final product basically reduced to "here are people I'm friends with plus some randoms". It's not terrible, but there's certainly room for improvement.

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on 06/17/17, Poindexter Fortran said...

I'd love to see a Fidonet culling - get rid of any echoes that haven't
had postings in 3 years, and send a ping out to every board in the nodelist. Don't respond to three pings? Take them out of the nodelist.

You'd think that would be standard practice. I mean, to even get on the nodelist you had to have your system configured and ready to poll and you weren't getting in until it was done. I don't know if it's still that way,
but it should be.

Echomail shouldn't be any different... but, again, control-freaks.

I'd hope that a Fidonet nodelist and echolist that accurately
reflected active nodes and message areas would feel like a different place.

It wouldn't. The problem is the people who are in control. They're the ones that make it miserable.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A27 (Windows)
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You're lucky because people who run your shit are cool.... at least for the most part. They get that its BBS software and it can do cool things. You get the odd weiner here and there. Most people running my shit are old-timers. I have to be VERY careful with how I clarify things, or not getting baited by trolls who like to think they know everything about
how mailer software works.

I agree for the most part my community is pretty great! :)

I can promise you I got those people too at one time, and it sucks that you have to deal with that on a more "full time" basis. They aren't bothering me at the moment, but up until about a year ago or so they were around...

These are people who have no desire to use Mystic at all, just old time Fido people being douches. Shitty e-mails, trying to cut off the MYSTIC echo across the world, a small group who multiple times have tried to push for all Mystic systems to be banned from FidoNet entirely.

I think of it as the FidoNet version of old men screaming "get off my lawn"

Not to say that Mystic didn't have its problems in the beginning, but none of it was destroying the network or even close to it, and none of it justifies the way some people behaved.

Anyway, these days Mystic is a pretty solid echomail hub and I think that is why some people have calmed down. The fsxNet hub has grown to over 120 active links and its 100% powered by Mystic; most changes I make now are because something in another piece of software is doing something wrong.

There are those of us out here who appreciate what you do and your positive attitude. I'm sure you don't hear it from us enough, but try to remember that we are out here when douchebags get to you! Easier said than done, I know. :)

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Re: BBS Discussion
By: Digital Avatar to Atreyu on Sun Jun 18 2017 12:44 am

Ahhhh... would that be Jason Scott?

He ignored a lot of things. The final product basically reduced to "here are people I'm friends with plus some randoms". It's not terrible, but there's certainly room for improvement.

I thought he captured the spirit of the BBS world back then, at least from what I remember. If he ignored some things, perhaps that's not what he was going for.. But that said, it would have been interesting to see more.

Nightfox

On 06/16/17, Nightfox said the following...

Re: BBS Discussion
By: Digital Avatar to metalhead on Tue Jun 13 2017 12:58 am

Just tell them you think Trump is Hitler, or Obama is Hitler, dependi the orientation of the parties involved. That's a good start.

+1

Thanks!
Orbitman
telnet://orbitbbs.ddns.net
Opp, Alabama, USA

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Re: Re: BBS Discussion
By: Orbitman to Nightfox on Mon Jun 19 2017 06:16 pm

Just tell them you think Trump is Hitler, or Obama is Hitler,
dependi the orientation of the parties involved. That's a good
start.

+1

Thanks!

You replied to me, but the person you were quoting was not me.

Nightfox

Hello Nightfox,

On Tue Jun 20 2017 09:17:58, Nightfox wrote to Orbitman:

Just tell them you think Trump is Hitler, or Obama is

Hitler,

dependi the orientation of the parties involved. That's a

good

start.

+1

Thanks!

You replied to me, but the person you were quoting was not me.

It looks like he replied to a message DA previously wrote, and you quoted. So in all reality he's quoting something you already quoted, which might confuse some as to who originally wrote it.

Hint: Notice the double quote above. The only reason that happened was because he didn't quote the original message, but instead, quoted DA's original post quoted by your reply. ;)

Most software by doing that you would have to manually change the TO field to who you're actually addressing the message to, but in this case, he did in fact
quote you (well, your quote anyway).

Regards,
Nick

... "Не знаю. Я здесь только работаю."
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Re: BBS Discussion
By: Accession to Nightfox on Tue Jun 20 2017 01:29 pm

Most software by doing that you would have to manually change the TO field to who you're actually addressing the message to, but in this case, he did in fact quote you (well, your quote anyway).

True, but the part of the message (text-wise) that he was replying to wasn't mine (as in I didn't write it). I figured it would make more sense to reply directly to the person who originally wrote what is being quoted. :)

If I see a quote that I might want to add to, sometimes I'll go back and find the original message with that content so I can reply to the correct person (quoting their quote, rather than someone else's quote when they quoted that person). :)

Nightfox

Hello Nightfox,

On Tue Jun 20 2017 12:37:46, Nightfox wrote to Accession:

Most software by doing that you would have to manually change the
TO field to who you're actually addressing the message to, but in
this case, he did in fact quote you (well, your quote anyway).

True, but the part of the message (text-wise) that he was replying to wasn't mine (as in I didn't write it). I figured it would make more
sense to reply directly to the person who originally wrote what is
being quoted. :)

Yep, understood. However it did have the original author's initials (albeit after yours, showing that you quoted it as well). I was just making sure you were aware that whatever software was used was actually okay, it was just a matter of replying to a reply, which usually doesn't happen.

If I see a quote that I might want to add to, sometimes I'll go back
and find the original message with that content so I can reply to the correct person (quoting their quote, rather than someone else's quote
when they quoted that person). :)

Same, but some people just hit the reply button on the current message rather than going back. As long as the software somehow displays who originally wrote it, it's still able to be figured out.

If you notice, though.. this is why we went through the whole ordeal of the quoting initials. Had I done that with Golded or Slyedit, it *should* have displayed without your initials, and a double ">" after the original poster's (ie: DA>>). Right?

Man, did we just make this topic confusing as all get out. ;)

Regards,
Nick

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Re: BBS Discussion
By: Accession to Nightfox on Tue Jun 20 2017 03:15 pm

Yep, understood. However it did have the original author's initials (albeit after yours, showing that you quoted it as well). I was just making sure you were aware that whatever software was used was actually okay, it was just a matter of replying to a reply, which usually doesn't happen.

Yes, I understand. :)

If you notice, though.. this is why we went through the whole ordeal of the quoting initials. Had I done that with Golded or Slyedit, it *should* have displayed without your initials, and a double ">" after the original poster's (ie: DA>>). Right?

Yep - It's good that the initials are there in cases like this. I just like to let people know if they reply to the wrong person, because if someone scans for messages to them, they wouldn't get their reply because it was addressed to me. So they might not see it, unless they scan for all new messages and read through them all.

Nightfox

On 06/20/17, Nightfox said the following...

Re: Re: BBS Discussion
By: Orbitman to Nightfox on Mon Jun 19 2017 06:16 pm

Just tell them you think Trump is Hitler, or Obama is Hitler, DA>> dependi the orientation of the parties involved. That's a good DA>> start.

+1

Thanks!

You replied to me, but the person you were quoting was not me.

Sorry about that.

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Re: BBS Discussion
By: Nightfox to Accession on Tue Jun 20 2017 12:37 pm

It is confusing for people who use threaded web pages to come into a BBS and understand the workings. Heck, I used BBSes in the 80s and 90s rather frequently and still don't remember everything.

... No one can feel as helpless as the owner of a sick goldfish.
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on 06/20/17, Nightfox said...

Re: Re: BBS Discussion
By: Orbitman to Nightfox on Mon Jun 19 2017 06:16 pm

Just tell them you think Trump is Hitler, or Obama is Hitler, DA>> dependi the orientation of the parties involved. That's a good DA>> start.

+1

Thanks!

You replied to me, but the person you were quoting was not me.

We all look alike anyway.

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on 06/20/17, Accession said...

Man, did we just make this topic confusing as all get out. ;)

For some reason I am reminded of a scene from Fight Club:

"WOAH! WOAH! ... ... ... OK. You are now firing a gun at your imaginary
friend near FOUR HUNDRED GALLONS OF NITROGLYCERINE!"

Suffice it to say I think we may be straying a bit from the point.

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Hello xfdrak,

On Tue Jun 20 2017 18:52:34, xfdrak wrote to Nightfox:

It is confusing for people who use threaded web pages to come into a
BBS and understand the workings. Heck, I used BBSes in the 80s and 90s rather frequently and still don't remember everything.

No worries, you'll get it all figured out again in no time. For instance, here's one bit of advice.. Try "/q" without quotes on a single line to quote the text you're replying to.

BBSs are a little more manual, where a threaded web page would probably automatically quote the text for you, here you sometimes have to invoke it yourself.

Regards,
Nick

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Hello Digital,

On Tue Jun 20 2017 23:45:36, Digital Avatar wrote to Accession:

For some reason I am reminded of a scene from Fight Club:

"WOAH! WOAH! ... ... ... OK. You are now firing a gun at your
imaginary friend near FOUR HUNDRED GALLONS OF NITROGLYCERINE!"

;)

Suffice it to say I think we may be straying a bit from the point.

What was the point again?

Regards,
Nick

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On 06/20/17, Digital Avatar said the following...

We all look alike anyway.

Heheheheheheh....yep!

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on 06/21/17, Accession said...

Suffice it to say I think we may be straying a bit from the point.

What was the point again?

It should be illegal for fat chicks to wear spandex.

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Re: BBS Discussion
By: Accession to xfdrak on Wed Jun 21 2017 07:22 pm

here's one bit of advice.. Try "/q" without quotes on a single line to quote the text you're replying to.

Ctrl-Q also works for opening the quote window to quote text.

Nightfox

Hello Digital,

On Thu Jun 22 2017 03:42:20, Digital Avatar wrote to Accession:

What was the point again?

It should be illegal for fat chicks to wear spandex.

Agreed 100%.

You'd think they would have overheard someone saying that by now and taken some
time to really let it soak in, but no.. there's even more of them now wearing brighter colors than ever. ;(

Regards,
Nick

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Re: Re: BBS Discussion
By: Atreyu to Metalhead on Fri Jun 16 2017 12:21 pm

On 14 Jun 17 23:36:17, Metalhead said the following to Nicholas Boel:

How am I forcing my opinion on people? Suck another dick, fucker.

Calm down, have some dip.

Atreyu

What's all the dickshit about?

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On 06/22/17, Accession said the following...

Hello Digital,

On Thu Jun 22 2017 03:42:20, Digital Avatar wrote to Accession:

What was the point again?

It should be illegal for fat chicks to wear spandex.

Agreed 100%.

You'd think they would have overheard someone saying that by now and
taken some time to really let it soak in, but no.. there's even more of them now wearing brighter colors than ever. ;(

Yep! They should dress for the body they HAVE, not the body they WANT.

Thanks!
Orbitman
telnet://orbitbbs.ddns.net
Opp, Alabama, USA

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on 06/22/17, Accession said...

You'd think they would have overheard someone saying that by now and
taken some time to really let it soak in, but no.. there's even more of them now wearing brighter colors than ever. ;(

They love the negative attention. They're attention whores.

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Yep! They should dress for the body they HAVE, not the body they WANT.

I think this applies to plenty of dudes too. Ever see those guys walking around with the bottom of their gut hanging out, or even more common are the guys whose ass cracks are constantly hanging out.

They're probably the husbands of the overweight chicks in spandex lol

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On 22 Jun 17 21:11:41, Hustler said the following to Atreyu:

How am I forcing my opinion on people? Suck another dick, fucker.

Calm down, have some dip.

What's all the dickshit about?

Not sure, Metalhead reached his melting point.

Atreyu

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Re: BBS Discussion
By: g00r00 to Orbitman on Fri Jun 23 2017 08:38 am

I like big butts and I cannot lie. Big floppy boobs get me high. When she's got some smarts and some jiggly parts, I get sprung. Ya know I wanna get some. The nerdier the better especially in a tight sweater!

Apologies,eh?

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On 06/25/17, xfdrak considered the following...

I like big butts and I cannot lie. Big floppy boobs get me high. When she's got some smarts and some jiggly parts, I get sprung. Ya know I
wanna get some. The nerdier the better especially in a tight sweater!

Can I use this?

Mickey

Central Ontario Remote BBS
Telnet: oxfordmi.synchro.net

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On 25 Jun 17 17:25:24, Xfdrak said the following to G00R00:

I like big butts and I cannot lie. Big floppy boobs get me high. When she's some smarts and some jiggly parts, I get sprung. Ya know I wanna get some. T nerdier the better especially in a tight sweater!

In 1995 a user of my board decided to have a BBQ party at her house and invited all of her friends. I was invited along with a couple of other users but as bad luck usually goes, they decided to no-show the party.

Her friends being hot and attractive... while the user in question, was not.

When I was introduced to everyone there, oh heres the guy that runs this "thing" called a "BBS" and like, you can totally call and like talk to other people?

I didn't stay long, it was Clueless acted in person.

Atreyu

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Re: Re: BBS Discussion
By: Mickey to xfdrak on Sun Jun 25 2017 09:39 pm

Feel free
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It should be illegal for fat chicks to wear spandex.

I'd rather she be wearing spandex and jogging, than laying on the couch watching TV wearing not-spandex =)

...darkwing!

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Yep! They should dress for the body they HAVE, not the body they WAN

I think this applies to plenty of dudes too. Ever see those guys walking around with the bottom of their gut hanging out, or even more common are the guys whose ass cracks are constantly hanging out.

You totally forgot the dudes who decided to go jogging with their shirts off and, yeah, they prolly shouldn't do that haha. Living in AZ, I see that plus plenty of peeps that think they are in awesome enough shape to go for a jog outside at 1pm when it's 100+ out. Sorry, if you're that pasty white, there's no way you're used to doing that buddy hehe.

...darkwing!

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on 06/25/17, Darkwing said...

It should be illegal for fat chicks to wear spandex.

I'd rather she be wearing spandex and jogging, than laying on the couch watching TV wearing not-spandex =)

PROTIP: There are no fat chicks wearing spandex AND jogging, or at least not long enough to do any good.

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Digital Avatar wrote to Poindexter Fortran <=-

You'd think that would be standard practice. I mean, to even get on the nodelist you had to have your system configured and ready to poll and
you weren't getting in until it was done. I don't know if it's still
that way, but it should be.

It used to be that way, it was up to the prospective sysop to figure
out where to poll by looking at a nodelist, set a dummy address and
crashmail your app to your regional coordinator. It served as a
nice litmus test.

I have people who email me an application, get a node number and take
3 months to poll.



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on 06/30/17, Poindexter Fortran said...

It used to be that way, it was up to the prospective sysop to figure
out where to poll by looking at a nodelist, set a dummy address and crashmail your app to your regional coordinator. It served as a
nice litmus test.

I have people who email me an application, get a node number and take
3 months to poll.

Yeah, clearly things need to go back to the tried and true method ...
including "if you don't poll after X amount of time, you get delisted".

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